Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Arghus

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Fianna Fail have the office of Taoiseach and Health and their approval rates are so low they're in danger of going out of existence. It's completely understandable that people react positively when Varadkar correctly identifies the mood of the nation and represents that articulately. That's not to say FG haven't had errors either but they're not the main ones to blame

The current mood of the nation will have no bearing on where the virus numbers will be in a months time, if things keep going as they are.

Strumms

Arghus wrote: »

It could become very difficult for Tony Holohan to stay in charge. He gave advice, very clear advice and it's been rebuffed and leaked to the media. It's a political shitstorm waiting to get going. He couldn't have been clearer - and the government has chose to ignore that advice, publicly, and criticise that advice, publicly.

This is all politics now and I feel it's like rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic. He wasn't pulling those numbers and projections out of nowhere. This political posturing that's going on at the moment is happening while we are losing control of the spread of the virus. The politicians are trying to wrestle back control of this through politicking, but, fck me, how short are people's memories - they have not shown themselves to have any clue about how to fight this. And now they are going against public health advice that couldn't be any clearer or stark? I get a real bad feeling about this, all of this.

Again, Holohan has only one agenda...keeping people well and alive. FG and this sleevin Varadkar and the rest of the FG money men right wing nutters can go and jump in a ditch.

It’s a pity as well meaning as Martin is, he doesn’t really have the personality for the battle he finds himself in, he just doesn’t. He may get us over the line but I dunno.

Arghus

Strumms wrote: »

Again, Holohan has only one agenda...keeping people well and alive. FG and this sleevin Varadkar and the rest of the FG money men right wing nutters can go and jump in a ditch.

It’s a pity as well meaning as Martin is, he doesn’t really have the personality for the battle he finds himself in, he just doesn’t. He may get us over the line but I dunno.

Martin looked like a beaten docket tonight making that speech.

MOR316

If this decision by the Government, ruins Christmas for the people of the country, there is no coming back from it! It would do unimaginable damage.

The only thing I've got to say on tonight's interview is, I enjoyed Varadkar throwing pelters at Holohan. I haven't forgotten!

Hulk Hands

Arghus wrote: »

The current mood of the nation will have no bearing on where the virus numbers will be in a months time, if things keep going as they are.

Ah shure little old Ireland should go out on its own, be an outlier for complete lockdown despite already having the most stringent lockdown in Europe at level 3, and case numbers on the lower end of the scale. We've a middle of the road hospital service here aswel, despite what some would like you to believe.

I cant get over the arrogance of some to think that we alone in this country have the answers and the rest of Europe don't. And that's not even referencing the point made that we may not be lent the funds to pay for a lockdown if we took that option. Leo may have been using that point for convenience but it's scary if true

Open the Pubs

Zero deaths once again today we should be in level 1. Disgraceful pubs are shut again. One more drink tomorrow until our NPHET masters allow us peasants our dignity and livelihoods back.

New Home

The way a lot of people have been adhering (or, rather, haven't!) to the restrictions already in place, if they had brought us to L5 we probably would have got compliance equivalent to L3. With L3, we'll probably get compliance at L1.

Gadgetman496

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speckle

Goldengirl wrote: »

No your examples are the tent for separation of Covid non vivid which I said has already been done here, but not a tent obviously .
As I have said a few times before calling for staff to come back is pointless as they won't be back or registered within 3 months .
So would be there for the third wave maybe .
HSE need to take the responsibility of hiring back nurses with specialist training who have emigrated , flying them home and paying them properly , which they won't .
They didn't even fasttrack re registration for these nurses , whi were left hanging around with agency work as HCAs until they could no longer afford it and went back to the country they came from .
Some could not do that due to lockdown .
Don't believe a word from that Paul Reid .

If you are inferring that I am naive enough to believe anything without back up data and research from anybody, including Paul Reid or the government etc. you have got me wrong.


All of the above that you posted re staff I know well. Yes, you are right re the HSE need to take a lead role and do much, much better. But that does not stop me, thinking ahead, creating ideas and forward planning. However, there is only so much one ordinary person like myself can do, and I have been trying my best since January.



It is really about my post stating there is a need, and yours for the posting the mistakes made and the obstacles to that, so ordinary people here know the issues, which they can bring to the social/media , their TD's or family members abroad, if we don't talk about it, no solution will be found and to hell with them/staff being here for any wave.:eek:



Regarding my examples, possibly you did not read all the links and only looked at the video. I included a research paper on the fully functionally 130 bed ICU, that yes, it was set up in a car park. Whether it is used for covid or non covid patients, well that's a choice. See my post on for example Kerry university Hospital re covid and covid separation, in this country.


And here is the video were the guy in charge discusses a little bit about it.
Sweden@2mins. florida@21mins, bahrain@42 mins, ICU field hospital @51mins, @1hr08mins. And yes, on their corona committee in Bahrain was an Irish guy, Prof. Martin Corbally


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-6Gf2iDJvM

Sonic the Shaghog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Didnt Leo admit they can't afford level 5??

You know between all the back and forth here this is the most important part of his interview for me. It's about time reality was laid out for the public , especially the lockdown merchants. It was asked a hundred times with the first lockdown what happens when we open and cases climbs and some just want to stick their head in the sand and say we just go into another lockdown. It should have been said long ago by the government

Open the Pubs

MOR316 wrote: »

If this decision by the Government, ruins Christmas for the people of the country, there is no coming back from it! It would do unimaginable damage.

The only thing I've got to say on tonight's interview is, I enjoyed Varadkar throwing pelters at Holohan. I haven't forgotten!

Fat Tony was humiliated after his disgusting antics yesterday leaking Level 5 and sending the country into panic. Varadkars showed him who is boss!

martingriff

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yes and they will take responsibility.

They will be called granny killers in under a month!

Ignore professional expert advice as a politician at your peril.

You have more faith then me

Arghus

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Ah shure little old Ireland should go out on its own, be an outlier for complete lockdown despite already having the most stringent lockdown in Europe at level 3, and case numbers on the lower end of the scale. We've a middle of the road hospital service here aswel, despite what some would like you to believe.

I cant get over the arrogance of some to think that we alone in this country have the answers and the rest of Europe don't. And that's not even referencing the point made that we may not be lent the funds to pay for a lockdown if we took that option. Leo may have been using that point for convenience but it's scary if true

We don't have the answers. No-one does, that's the problem. Immediate lockdown results in all sorts of problems all across the board - huge problems - but the alternative is to delay the inevitable - and to ultimately make that inevitable worse: we are going to pay the price one way or the other, barring an absolute miracle, but we may end up paying that price with interest. If numbers continue to rise - and there is no reason to even dream that they won't - then harsher and more drawn out measures than what we currently have in place are 100% guaranteed. One hundred per cent.

martingriff

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Fat Tony was humiliated after his disgusting antics yesterday leaking Level 5 and sending the country into panic. Varadkars showed him who is boss!

I am not sure it was Tony. All tweets I saw are from government ministers as if they were sent the letter and decided to start the blame game early but either could be true

Goldengirl

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Who admitted that? I missed it.

He made it up .

gilmour

Arghus wrote: »

It could become very difficult for Tony Holohan to stay in charge. He gave advice, very clear advice and it's been rebuffed and leaked to the media. It's a political shitstorm waiting to get going. He couldn't have been clearer - and the government has chose to ignore that advice, publicly, and criticise that advice, publicly.

This is all politics now and I feel it's like rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic. He wasn't pulling those numbers and projections out of nowhere. This political posturing that's going on at the moment is happening while we are losing control of the spread of the virus. The politicians are trying to wrestle back control of this through politicking, but, fck me, how short are people's memories - they have not shown themselves to have any clue about how to fight this. And now they are going against public health advice that couldn't be any clearer or stark? I get a real bad feeling about this, all of this.

I swore to myself months ago that i'd never post in this thread but i can't help but chime in here. I'm in agreement with everything you're saying. That "leak" last night did not come from Nphet or Holohan, in fact i'd be willing to bet a few quid that it was Varadkar himself.

What puzzled me about his interview tonight was his "they'll not do that again" attitude coming from the very man who was at a Gala in Washington only to be briefed in very similar abrupt circumstances that something had to change immediately. But because he was the Taoiseach and not sniping from the shadows he arranged an immediate intervention that was broadcast to the nation within hours that set the country into a blind panic with runs on the supermarkets. Was he wrong at the time? No, absolutely not. But did that experience vanish from his memory? Or is it because he is absolutely loving the position of being in the shadows spraying the political football like Pirlo in his prime with his "What about if we took Belgiums approach?" "International travel within a fortnight should happen" musings on twitter....

What does he benefit from it? He has the other clowns head on a spike for the next 3 weeks while Nphet are now completely and utterly demeaned in similar fashion to how Trump torched Fauci and the CDC in the states.

He is an arrogant self serving ****.

Open the Pubs

martingriff wrote: »

I am not sure it was Tony. All tweets I saw are from government ministers as if they were sent the letter and decided to start the blame game early but either could be true

Holahan arrived in Sunday and the **** hit the fan, no coincidence. He should still be on leave if not removed from his position.

shocksy

Open the Pubs wrote: »

You still on here slobbering ****e all day, get a hold of yourself man

I'm speaking facts unlike you.

Ohhh sorry will you report me for that hahaha.

You're a rereg troll. Everyone knows that so no one is taking anything you have to say with any regard so you're wasting your time troll.

Toddle on.

MrMusician18

landofthetree wrote: »

Tánaiste
@LeoVaradkar
says that the
@HSELive
does not share NPHET's view that hospital capacity is at imminent danger of being overloaded

I don't know how this statement came about. There are at least 7 people from the HSE on NPHET including the chief clinical officer as well as the head of integrated care.
Surely those, if not others in the HSE present would know what the current capacity of the system is.

Something doesn't add up here.

shocksy

gilmour wrote: »

That "leak" last night did not come from Nphet or Holohan, in fact i'd be willing to bet a few quid that it was Varadkar himself.

He is an arrogant self serving ****.

100%, I said the same thing myself this evening. He's a sly little snake and so many people on here fooled by him and his "interview" this evening. All very convenient for him looking like the good guy this evening. He's an absolute rotten piece of ****n.

Goldengirl

Lundstram wrote: »

I'm normally a fan of hers but she was dreadful tonight. Asks a question then cuts him off half way through to ask another.

No one cares about her opinion, just ask the questions and let the person speak.

Not her opinion. She had to play devil's advocate for the side ( NPHET) that wasn't represented and her job is not to make it easy for politicians to spin, but to make them answer what she asks them and say things that they don't mean to let slip out .
That's interview technique and good journalism.
It was bang on quizzing him about the fact that he was undermining NPHET's message and advice . He was !
And why did the HSE not communicate
about sourcing numbers of private beds to NPHET ? That is almost like it was on purpose .
Sure normally you would be saying why did she let him go on like that .

Open the Pubs

shocksy wrote: »

I'm speaking facts unlike you.

Ohhh sorry will you report me for that hahaha.

You're a rereg troll. Everyone knows that so no one is taking anything you have to say with any regard so you're wasting your time troll.

Toddle on.

I'm not a troll, you're just posting unhinged nonsense all day, you need to get out of the house and actually talk with people.

shocksy

Open the Pubs wrote: »

I'm not a troll, you're just posting unhinged nonsense all day, you need to get out of the house and actually talk with people.

Haha says the one who is completely removed from reality in the situation we're going through.

Get a grip and stay out of the pubs. It must be killing you pubs are gone from tomorrow haha

On the ignore list now as I won't waste another post count on some rereg troll. Bye bye ****

ShooterSF

Watching Vradkar's interview why was he asking NPHET what to tell businesses that had to close? How is that in the remit of a public health advisory board?

Strumms

Arghus wrote: »

Martin looked like a beaten docket tonight making that speech.

The coming weeks will tell. Not too inspiring though. He’s not a great orator. We know Leo is a sham but if you didn’t know him, he could probably convince you chicken was fish... mask does and has slipped though.

Goldengirl

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I want safer travel with testing etc, but the metrics are that there is very little travel at the moment. Probably 10% of normal levels. and I can safely say that a week on a beach in Greece with outdoor dining is far safer than here plus the vitamin d.

Yep.
Think I might be getting out of Dodge soon enough if it continues like this....

Strumms

ShooterSF wrote: »

Watching Vradkar's interview why was he asking NPHET what to tell businesses that had to close? How is that in the remit of a public health advisory board?

100%. That’s the job of the fûcking government for god sake... I mean the guy is just stirring.

Goldengirl

Lundstram wrote: »

280 ICU beds in Ireland.

277 open and staffed .

New Home

I wonder, had the leak not happened, would we have ever been told that NPHET recommended a L5 and that the hospital/ICU beds set-up was as bad as it is?

ElTel

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I was thinking this too... He was quick to disregard the circuit breaker concept, with no push back.

He was unsure of the 4 week timeline recommendation. Seemed sure it took a lot longer for Melbourne.