Multi player FPS games are dead and cheaters killed it.

kowloon

I didn't know this was so widespread. I played Quake back in the day and wasn't terrible at it. I tried out some modern FPS games in the last while and I had put down my inability to keep up with other players down to age and skill atrophy, but maybe there are more cheaters than I thought. Myself and a few friends played Day-Z a while back (aged between late 20s and 50s) and a single player wiped the floor with six of us through cover.

Mr. CooL ICE

Robert ninja wrote: »

If you don't mind could you share the online companies/products you've come across that ask the user to upload credentials to do business with?

Was pretty common with online poker companies. They usually insisted on it for accounts with big payouts to prevent cheating, fraud and money laundering, among other things.

nix

Deleted User wrote: »

The handful of times I've had to do this was signing up to crypto exchanges, skrill and most recently paddy power.

Yeah all online bookies/casinos have to do it now, and not just for people moving big money about, all new accounts need to be verified and they pretty much only accept Passport or drivers licenses, and if you're using a debit/credit card, you may also need to supply a recent statement confirming name and address and a picture of the card itself, its a lot but necessary to prevent fraud.

I try and minimize having to give that much info for obvious reasons, but other companies that come to mind that ive had to do it with were Revolut and my phone company, pretty sure ive had to do it for some hotels over the years too. And thats just **** ive experienced, im sure others can throw other examples up..

beauf

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I feel like it's a game design problem, too.

What do all these cheating games have in common?
Slow player movement & low TTK (headshot) hitscan weapons.

Unfortunately, the majority of gamers would rather get a few lucky shots & score a kill instead of learning how to pre-aim a rocket launcher.

Good gameplay is not learning maps by rote and pre aiming points. That kinda meta destroys game's. If you want that kind gameplay you should be matched with similarly skilled players,v who have also spent the same time in game.

beauf

kowloon wrote: »

I didn't know this was so widespread. I played Quake back in the day and wasn't terrible at it. I tried out some modern FPS games in the last while and I had put down my inability to keep up with other players down to age and skill atrophy, but maybe there are more cheaters than I thought. Myself and a few friends played Day-Z a while back (aged between late 20s and 50s) and a single player wiped the floor with six of us through cover.

Started with COD4 and punkbuster that game was destroyed with cheating.

There's another aspect too. In some games people are spending ten of thousands on rigs and in games boosters etc. Then they spend vastly more time in game. You haven't a hope of competing. It's like a premiership footballer playing your pubs 5 a side. No fun in that for anyone else.

Most games are mostly fun when playing with similar skilled players. It's why most sports are graded.

beauf

This was an interesting twist on it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/52810167

gimli2112

Hired a professional gamer? He should have asked his 12 year old cousin and he'd have probably won it.

beauf

gimli2112 wrote: »

Hired a professional gamer? He should have asked his 12 year old cousin and he'd have probably won it.

His 12yr old cousin won't have a 30k rig required to be competitive.

Dcully

beauf wrote: »

His 12yr old cousin won't have a 30k rig required to be competitive.

slight exaggeration there.

Canis Lupus

awec wrote: »

This thread has a real smell of "player is better than me, so player must be cheating" off it.

I'm not so sure. When you play a game enough you get a general sense of what's unusual and what's not.

I do appreciate games that give you a proper kill cam or even better allow you to rewatch a match from each player's perspective.

gimli2112

awec wrote: »

This thread has a real smell of "player is better than me, so player must be cheating" off it.

I didn't reread the thread but I don't remember anyone saying "I'm plagued by cheaters".
There are certainly games that are but if it doesn't affect you, that's great.

beauf

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'm not so sure. When you play a game enough you get a general sense of what's unusual and what's not...

You generally know when you're being out played vs someone cheating.

nix

The cheaters ive been experiencing lately have been in Escape from Tarkov, theres a map in the game called "Labs" and it is littered with hackers, its a miracle if you get into a labs run and it doesnt have a hacker in it, and even then you're constantly freaked out that you will get killed any moment from some jerk speed hacking by with an aim bot.

I've never seen the hacking so bad in a game in my 25 years of online gaming, its crazy how bad it got..

CoD is another game i dont play but hear that gets pretty bad too.

Wizard!

nix wrote: »

The cheaters ive been experiencing lately have been in Escape from Tarkov...

And yet I am not allowed to play, because I am using a VM, just because most cheaters do... Without any F* proof.


They also refused to refund my 140 euros for that game! :mad:

gimli2112

the only thing worse than people cheating is people getting banned for not cheating

Dravokivich

I've never agreed with the idea of banning people from games. In most instances they've bought a product. If you suspect them of cheating, it should be possible to have a flag against them, so cheaters are only lobbied up with cheaters.

beauf

Dravokivich wrote: »

I've never agreed with the idea of banning people from games. In most instances they've bought a product. If you suspect them of cheating, it should be possible to have a flag against them, so cheaters are only lobbied up with cheaters.

While that's a good idea someone who's not cheating but gets put in their will effectively not be able to play.

frozenfrozen

csgo is riddled with cheaters

beauf

Wizard! wrote: »

And yet I am not allowed to play, because I am using a VM, just because most cheaters do... Without any F* proof.


They also refused to refund my 140 euros for that game! :mad:

Seems like that game is swamped with cheating.

They also ban VPN because if how it can effect performance on the server. But I think it was mainly done as quick fix as if they don't act quickly everyone will stop playing it.

Snake Plisken

If I'm playing Modern Warfare I turn off cross platform, way too many PC hackers, there should really be an option for cross play just for Console. Only cheating you find on Console is players using Chronusmax dongles running scripts but I have yet to come across one (pretty obvious from kill cam)

beauf

Wot used to have a lot. Mostly gone now. That game is ruined by other things now.

nix

Dravokivich wrote: »

I've never agreed with the idea of banning people from games. In most instances they've bought a product. If you suspect them of cheating, it should be possible to have a flag against them, so cheaters are only lobbied up with cheaters.

And id be up for subjecting people who cheat with the death penalty :pac:

And lobbing cheaters in with other cheaters, as soon as they realise thats been done, they will abandon the game itself and get a new one and start the process all over again.. They dont cheat because they like cheats, they do it for the unfair advantage over legit players.

gimli2112

nix wrote: »

And id be up for subjecting people who cheat with the death penalty :pac:

And lobbing cheaters in with other cheaters, as soon as they realise thats been done, they will abandon the game itself and get a new one and start the process all over again.. They dont cheat because they like cheats, they do it for the unfair advantage over legit players.

personally I think they're not interested in winning just ruining other people's day
you can see it on forums with obvious trolls, just why? it's probably some chemical imbalance in the brain

Wizard!

Snake Plisken wrote: »

...way too many PC hackers...

BloodBath wrote: »

Here's a little look at the top 20 players in warzone. Most are long term cheaters, all mainly using consoles. I could show the top 100 and it would be the same.

Apart from the fact that the 1st post is about a non-detectable hardware device for consoles, you can clearly see who is cheating and it is not PC players...

Snake Plisken

Wizard! wrote: »

Apart from the fact that the 1st post is about a non-detectable hardware device for consoles, you can clearly see who is cheating and it is not PC players...

Explain how you can hack on a console outside of using a Cronus max, only examples I've seen is PC Aimbots/wall hackers etc, current gen consoles haven't been compromised yet, last gen yes.
As I said you can use Chronusmax type devices that will deliver rapid fire on single fire weapons but they cost 80-100 euros and easy to spot in kill cams. It's a lot easier to run some free scripts on pc.

Wizard!

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Explain how you can hack on a console outside of using a Cronus max, only examples I've seen is PC Aimbots/wall hackers etc, current gen consoles haven't been compromised yet, last gen yes.
As I said you can use Chronusmax type devices that will deliver rapid fire on single fire weapons but they cost 80-100 euros and easy to spot in kill cams. It's a lot easier to run some free scripts on pc.

No need for me, or anyone else to explain, since there is concrete proof in the leaderboards.
And just for you to know, there are more advanced technologies thatn Chronusmax... Not gonna advertise them here.

BloodBath

awec wrote: »

This thread has a real smell of "player is better than me, so player must be cheating" off it.

Your post smells of ignorance with your head firmly in the sand. Basically a get good bro post. How much evidence do you need to be presented with to acknowledge that this is becoming a major issue.

I've been playing FPS games for over 20 years. I'm far from pro but I'm decent and am well versed in spotting cheaters. While getting older is definitely gonna make me worse over time I know BS when I see it and I've been seeing a lot more of it in recent years.

The thing that bothers me the most is the ambiguity of not knowing whether you were killed by somebody better than you or a dumb cheater. It's not always obvious, especially with the less obvious scripting and that's the most annoying thing for me.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

If I'm playing Modern Warfare I turn off cross platform, way too many PC hackers, there should really be an option for cross play just for Console. Only cheating you find on Console is players using Chronusmax dongles running scripts but I have yet to come across one (pretty obvious from kill cam)

There's actually more console cheaters than PC in that game. It's far from obvious too and I've seen lot's of them but can I prove it? Unless they are using rapid fire on semi auto weapons it is not easy to spot. This doesn't happen often as semi auto weapons are among the worst in the game regardless of rapid fire. What I have seen is a hell of a lot of very high skill players with 20+ kills who are lasering everybody. While there are plenty of people who can do this legitimately there's a lot who are cheating to do it. They may well be already pretty decent players who use it to get an edge. They aren't all dopes who are obvious to spot.


That's disgusting. So it's even worse than I thought.

Anima wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIbkt6Rl8FA

Snake Plisken

Yeah right lads here is some proper stats
https://codstats.net/warzone/cheaters_tracker/matches_list

Out of top 25 only 2 console players. Showing up and the first at 19th on the list
Nice little graph for you by platform here
https://codstats.net/warzone/cheaters_tracker/infographics

Yeah thats 90% win for the PC master race in the cheating stakes.
And that's why I won't be cross platform playing with PC players

Dravokivich

nix wrote: »

And id be up for subjecting people who cheat with the death penalty :pac:

And lobbing cheaters in with other cheaters, as soon as they realise thats been done, they will abandon the game itself and get a new one and start the process all over again.. They dont cheat because they like cheats, they do it for the unfair advantage over legit players.

I used to admin on MMOs a long time ago and most of the cheating was a result of poor game design thats focused on grinding. Same thing happened in FPS games when you had to level weapon types. If people want easy mode and go out of their way for it, give it to them together.

Dravokivich

beauf wrote: »

While that's a good idea someone who's not cheating but gets put in their will effectively not be able to play.

Its damn near impossible to appeal a block. I've only seen one person posting about it here, acheive it. A status would be easier to get reviewed. Little point in arguing though, as the people providing these services are more inclined towards cutting people out and its become normalised.