Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

paw patrol

Dionaibh wrote: »

Isn't there a long list of exemptions there?

there is a few alright.:)

Dionaibh

paw patrol wrote: »

there is a few alright.:)

Thanks. That's what I thought. In the UK a person can download a card saying they're exempt.

Multipass

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This Forbes article goes into how the vaccine trials are designed to succeed, rather than be a success at preventing severe cases of Covid.
It’s quite concerning - the interim reports we would hear in the media were based on very small numbers. Most seem to be designing vaccines to prevent common cold symptoms. It looks like these vaccines will not be the ‘silver bullet’ needed to get out of this pandemic. Our Government should not put all of its eggs in this basket with harsh lockdowns, destroying our economy, lives and health based on this flawed strategy.

Everyone needs to read that article - could be that we’re getting the most expensive placebo in history

average_runner

weldoninhio wrote: »

Four ladies out of work too with the closure, including one who’s just had a baby. All in this together my hole.

Shops out my way looking for staff.

mikekerry

Idbatterim wrote: »

This truly is the boggest nanny state on the planet. Every bloody radio station trying to be cool, covid this, covid that, just play the tunes you insufferable morons, I wouldnt trust them to tell me the time of day, pathetic !

Do they still play the insipid "we're all in this together" every 20 minutes on the radio?
I haven't heard it recently ( thankfully)

paw patrol

Idbatterim wrote: »

This truly is the boggest nanny state on the planet. Every bloody radio station trying to be cool, covid this, covid that, just play the tunes you insufferable morons, I wouldnt trust them to tell me the time of day, pathetic !

this is sickening . the soft low level propaganda of brain dead DJs talking time out from climbing up kim kardasians hole to give us rabble the covid speil.

paw patrol

Dionaibh wrote: »

Thanks. That's what I thought. In the UK a person can download a card saying they're exempt.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iG4iYvvw_uPC4s88dN167QOCP4_p93di


list here.


Tracey OMahony does a walk- through of the legislation.
Interesting to know what the law actually says and not what RTE or the TDs tell you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SxPG_3ArlQ

patnor1011

lawred2 wrote: »

The money is at zero cost and if the treasury had any sense they would be doing what the likes of Austria is doing and offering 100 year bonds.

Lol zero cost does not mean they will not have to be repaid. Also 100 year bond is exactly kicking the can down the road scenario. Then we end up with 2 generations mortgages like Japan and our kids will have to work all their life to pay our debt all the while incurring debt which will have to be repaid by their kids.

lawred2 wrote: »

I'm not sure what you mean by 'sheltering'? Would you prefer the government just let those who lost their jobs fend for themselves?

Those who lost their jobs lost it precisely because of what government did. Would they not introduced imaginary lockdown these people would still be working.

Dionaibh

Multipass wrote: »

Everyone needs to read that article - could be that we’re getting the most expensive placebo in history

I read it, and the fact that it's Forbes, who specialise in doom and gloom, means it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Nothing in the article about the Russian vaccine, which Russian scientists believe will protect people for two years, and nothing about the Chinese vaccine.

For every doom article one can find a positive article: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-vaccine-czar-says-the-first-vaccine-should-be-submitted-for-emergency-authorization-around-thanksgiving-2020-10-08

“My expectation is really something between 80% and 90% efficacy”

"... my expectation is really something between 80% and 90% efficacy. I would be very negatively surprised if it was closer to 50%. Everything we see, including the recent data by Lilly LLY, +3.04% and Regeneron REGN, +1.38%, with monoclonal antibody transfer, suggested robust efficacy can be achieved."

topper75

Multipass wrote: »

Everyone needs to read that article - could be that we’re getting the most expensive placebo in history

The fastest vaccine ever made in history was for the mumps.

It took merely ..... 4 years.

They have never succeeded with a vaccine for any other virus to date in the coronavirus family of viruses. Zilch.

More to vaccines than efficacy I'm afraid.

One salient point with any proposed Covid vaccine; it would taken up by a huge proportion of humanity potentially so an adverse effect occurring in say merely 1 in 1000 would cause suffering and potentially life-long problems for millions and millions of people.

I don't think the media are asking the right questions on this and therefore the average person out there has no idea what kind of long shot we are talking about.

No pun on shot as supposedly a theoretical vaccine would be more an inhaler experience I'm told.:P

Multipass

Multipass wrote: »

Everyone needs to read that article - could be that we’re getting the most expensive placebo in history

Everyone looking for a bit of a conspiracy that is.

Dionaibh

paw patrol wrote: »

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iG4iYvvw_uPC4s88dN167QOCP4_p93di


list here.


Tracey OMahony does a walk- throughs of the legislation.
Interesting to know what the law actually says and not what RTE or the TDs tell you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SxPG_3ArlQ

Thanks. Do you see people in shops there not wearing masks, or is it rare to see someone without a mask on in shops?

Dionaibh

topper75 wrote: »

The fastest vaccine ever made in history was for the mumps.

It took merely ..... 4 years.

They have never succeeded with a vaccine for any other virus to date in the coronavirus family of viruses. Zilch.

One salient point with any proposed Covid vaccine; it would taken up by a huge proportion of humanity potentially so an adverse effect occurring in say merely 1 in 1000 would cause suffering and potentially life-long problems for millions and millions of people.

I don't think the media are asking the right questions on this and therefore the average person out there has no idea what kind of long shot we are talking about.

No pun on shot as supposedly a theoretical vaccine would be more an inhaler experience I'm told.:P

But don't forget that the Oxford vaccine is based on work and research that was done on another vaccine. Four years of work, if I'm not mistaken. I think it was a SARS vaccine they worked on. The Russian one also builds on previous vaccine research and development (Ebola and MERS vaccines). All the Russian scientists had to do was tweak the vaccine they already had. That's why they were able to move quickly.

weldoninhio

average_runner wrote: »

Shops out my way looking for staff.

Where is your way? Do they need a full time medical receptionist, a part time medical receptionist and 2 cleaners?

3xh

paw patrol wrote: »

Tracey OMahony does a walk- throughs of the legislation.
Interesting to know what the law actually says and not what RTE or the TDs tell you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SxPG_3ArlQ

She is very good. Whatever side of this Covid malarkey you’re on, if you’re honest with yourself, you’ll agree she comes at this impartially and explains the actual wording of these Statutory Instruments in a neutral, matter of fact way.

Unlike the Government, NPHET or the media. Why would these 3 entities lie and obfuscate?!

Zebra3

lawred2 wrote: »

The money is at zero cost

Really?

Borrowing money to pay for short-term living that will have to be paid back is zero cost?

The state is borrowing vast sums of money to pay dole money.

This is not the same as borrowing to pay for capital investments like a new hospital or metro system.

It's the personal equivalent of borrowing for your wedding or a holiday as opposed to borrowing for a home or to start up a business.

paw patrol

Dionaibh wrote: »

Thanks. Do you see people in shops there not wearing masks, or is it rare to see someone without a mask on in shops?

you see me. I saw a few in the shopping centre 2 weeks ago.

Prob only one in the supermarket on sat though
Nobody said anything to me

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The first Lockdown was very effective In:

• Showing us that lockdowns don't work, we have 100's of cases a day.

The first lockdown did work, though? We were down to single figures at one point. The 100s of cases per day only came about as we reopened.

topper75

Dionaibh wrote: »

But don't forget that the Oxford vaccine is based on work and research that was done on another vaccine. Four years of work, if I'm not mistaken. I think it was a SARS vaccine they worked on. The Russian one also builds on previous vaccine research and development (Ebola and MERS vaccines). All the Russian scientists had to do was tweak the vaccine they already had. That's why they were able to move quickly.

Do SARS and MERS have vaccines? I wasn't aware they existed!
Can you check please?

Dionaibh

topper75 wrote: »

Do SARS and MERS have vaccines? I wasn't aware they existed!
Can you check please?

Sorry, I was wrong.

https://practio.co.uk/coronavirus/articles/oxford-covid-19-vaccine

"The Oxford COVID-19 vaccine has been developed using a method which was previously used to create a vaccine for another coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)."

Dionaibh

paw patrol wrote: »

you see me. I saw a few in the shopping centre 2 weeks ago.

Prob only one in the supermarket on sat though
Nobody said anything to me

Amazing how compliant people are.

SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The first lockdown did work, though? We were down to single figures at one point. The 100s of cases per day only came about as we reopened.

It worked for as long as the lockdown lasted, as a very wise poster here said yesterday.
As soon as the lockdown was lifted cases started rising again, as was expected. More movement will always = more cases.

So unless we plan to stay in full lockdown with only essential services operating and over 1.2 million people relying on financial support from the state until there’s a vaccine, they’re completely pointless and do not work.

Lockdowns suppress the virus, they do not cure it. Suppressing it for years on end is simply not an option. It’s only been just under 7 months and the country is already on its knees.
This isn’t sustainable for another week, let alone another six months.

Millions of lives were indirectly ruined by coronavirus from the lockdowns. Those people matter just as much as those who have contracted the virus.

_Kaiser_

paw patrol wrote: »

you see me. I saw a few in the shopping centre 2 weeks ago.

Prob only one in the supermarket on sat though
Nobody said anything to me

I have been using one of the visors for the last week as a compromise as I just can't get used to the masks - few people wearing them not including shop staff where they're frequently used.

I read something yesterday/day before though that suggested they're going to try and restrict those too

_Kaiser_

Dionaibh wrote: »

Amazing how compliant people are.

Not really. It's a regular thing on social media and our "need" to be validated and approved of ("everyone loves the Irish" etc)

Goes back generations. In 1916 a group of rebels (not widely supported at the time) fought against it, in turn leading to a civil war and when we finally got our Independence what did we do? Handed it off to the Catholic Church! Then when that regime was finally thrown out, we handed it over to the EU.

It really seems that "having someone tell us what to do" is something fundamental in the Irish psyche

mikekerry

SusieBlue wrote: »

It worked for as long as the lockdown lasted, as a very wise poster here said yesterday.
As soon as the lockdown was lifted cases started rising again, as was expected. More movement will always = more cases.

So unless we plan to stay in full lockdown with only essential services operating and over 1.2 million people relying on financial support from the state until there’s a vaccine, they’re completely pointless and do not work.

Lockdowns suppress the virus, they do not cure it. Suppressing it for years on end is simply not an option. It’s only been just under 7 months and the country is already on its knees.
This isn’t sustainable for another week, let alone another six months.

Millions of lives were indirectly ruined by coronavirus from the lockdowns. Those people matter just as much as those who have contracted the virus.

Spot on

topper75

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Not really. It's a regular thing on social media and our "need" to be validated and approved of ("everyone loves the Irish" etc)

Goes back generations. In 1916 a group of rebels (not widely supported at the time) fought against it, in turn leading to a civil war and when we finally got our Independence what did we do? Handed it off to the Catholic Church! Then when that regime was finally thrown out, we handed it over to the EU.

It really seems that "having someone tell us what to do" is something fundamental in the Irish psyche

Then when rebellious thoughts do come to the fore they behave rather strangely. Fought and won on the hill of water charges, whilst the horn of meek surrender was sounded in the valley for USC. The financial hit of the two is quite different. I'm Irish myself, born and bred, but I also have to admit that I'll never understand them. What chance have foreigners!:D

facehugger99

SusieBlue wrote: »

Lockdowns suppress the virus, they do not cure it. Suppressing it for years on end is simply not an option. It’s only been just under 7 months and the country is already on its knees.
This isn’t sustainable for another week, let alone another six months.

We were told at the start that the lockdown was to flatten the curve and give more time for the health service to ramp up capacity to deal with the virus.

That narrative was highjacked by the zero-Covid zealots in NPHET and a cowardly and weak Government hid behind them. The HSE are delighted that people are lapping up case numbers at 6pm every day rather than asking them hard questions about ICU capacity.

We are now 7 months later, trapped in a lockdown/open up cycle that has no logic and no endgame other than 'pray like fcuk we get a vaccine before the money runs out'.

mikekerry

facehugger99 wrote: »

We were told at the start that the lockdown was to flatten the curve and give more time for the health service to ramp up capacity to deal with the virus.

That narrative was highjacked by the zero-Covid zealots in NPHET and a cowardly and weak Government hid behind them. The HSE are delighted that people are lapping up case numbers at 6pm every day rather than asking them hard questions about ICU capacity.

We are now 7 months later, trapped in a lockdown/open up cycle that has no logic and no endgame other than 'pray like fcuk we get a vaccine before the money runs out'.

they are about to use the "rainy day " fund in the budget.
It won't be long running out.

Dionaibh

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Not really. It's a regular thing on social media and our "need" to be validated and approved of ("everyone loves the Irish" etc)

Goes back generations. In 1916 a group of rebels (not widely supported at the time) fought against it, in turn leading to a civil war and when we finally got our Independence what did we do? Handed it off to the Catholic Church! Then when that regime was finally thrown out, we handed it over to the EU.

It really seems that "having someone tell us what to do" is something fundamental in the Irish psyche

That's true. I should've written that it didn't surprise me.

Yes, there is an obsession in Ireland with being approved of. Colonisation did terrible damage. It cause self-hatred, and led to Ireland today being a fully post-propagandised society.

Dionaibh

facehugger99 wrote: »

We were told at the start that the lockdown was to flatten the curve and give more time for the health service to ramp up capacity to deal with the virus.

That narrative was highjacked by the zero-Covid zealots in NPHET and a cowardly and weak Government hid behind them. The HSE are delighted that people are lapping up case numbers at 6pm every day rather than asking them hard questions about ICU capacity.

We are now 7 months later, trapped in a lockdown/open up cycle that has no logic and no endgame other than 'pray like fcuk we get a vaccine before the money runs out'.

It's a disastrous situation.