Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

lawred2

weldoninhio wrote: »

People in Ireland used to look back and say “How did the Catholic Church have such a stranglehold on the country”? In the not too distant future people will look back and say “How did Covid have such a stranglehold on society”?

People will study the fear of a mild disease, the propaganda, the fear of ostracisation by speaking out about the propaganda. It’s like one big social experiment, and the zealots will not come out of it looking good.

That's very likely to happen

But that will be with the gift of hindsight

yawhat?

yawhat? wrote: »

It’s not quite that simple though is it?

What’s the cost of not borrowing now, and letting the economic impacts of Covid play out without financial intervention from the state?

The cost of borrowing money is the interest you have to pay. Repaying capital is not a cost, so zero cost and 0% interest are the same. There is also the bonus of future inflation eroding the value of the capital repayments due.

I’m not advocating a free for all, but it makes way more sense to borrow than not to borrow.

The reality is they it’s even better than 0% as when we pay it back a long way down the line inflation will have increased the value of money so it will be costing less to repay than the value of borrowing it now.

Don't Chute!

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Don’t talk ****. You know nothing about Sweden. My mates are not idiots, they may not have makey uppy “PHDs” like you have but they ain’t idiots.
As for boycotting? Luckily nobody and I mean NOBODY listens to you.

If they are laughing at us they are idiots I would gladly tell them to them that and to maybe look at their own laughing stock of a country casting vulnerable and elderly to the wolves in the name of “normal”, “socialising” and the “economy” (which they are doing feck all better than anywhere else despite their insane management of the pandemic).

UM1

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

The reality is they it’s even better than 0% as when we pay it back a long way down the line inflation will have increased the value of money so it will be costing less to repay than the value of borrowing it now.

How much interest will the money we borrow to pay back the better than 0% interest loan be?

3xh

lawred2 wrote: »

the one about government borrowing being akin to you paying for a wedding?

nah you're alright

Woah! Hold on there! Nope. That wasn’t me that mentioned weddings.

The question around this ‘free’ money not being free. The one I asked.

lawred2

patnor1011 wrote: »

Lol zero cost does not mean they will not have to be repaid. Also 100 year bond is exactly kicking the can down the road scenario. Then we end up with 2 generations mortgages like Japan and our kids will have to work all their life to pay our debt all the while incurring debt which will have to be repaid by their kids.

Can you show me where that was claimed?

lawred2

3xh wrote: »

Woah! Hold on there! Nope. That wasn’t me that mentioned weddings.

The question around this ‘free’ money not being free. The one I asked.

apologies - thought that was you

I never said anything about free money. So I can't really argue for something I didn't say.

weldoninhio

lawred2 wrote: »

That's very likely to happen

But that will be with the gift of hindsight

Noticing it now is not hindsight, we are right in the middle of it. There's a lot of people on here who, if their reaction to Covid and govt guidelines are anything to go by, would be in Hitlers Germany, Stalins Russia, Pol Pots Cambodia or Mao's China "only following orders".

lawred2

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1314563294963937286?s=19

3xh

lawred2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1314563294963937286?s=19

Said this in another thread. This screams of an attempt to discredit the idea by someone ‘from the other side’ is all.

Examine the idea on its merits alone, not who signs it.

lawred2

3xh wrote: »

Said this in another thread. This screams of an attempt to discredit the idea by someone ‘from the other side’ is all.

Examine the idea on its merits alone, not who signs it.

Obviously it's someone taking the piss but what else do you expect from a such a meaningless online petition.

You don't generally use something meaningless to achieve something meaningful.

That declaration is a joke.

3xh

lawred2 wrote: »

Obviously it's someone taking the piss but what else do you expect from a such a meaningless online petition.

You don't generally use something meaningless to achieve something meaningful.

That declaration is a joke.

Grand. Again, though. Maybe the draft was drawn up by ‘a government supporter’ for want of a better term and deliberately included some pie in the sky ideas all under the name of ‘democracy, fighting this Covid another way, etc etc’ just to discredit people who think they have an alternative to the government narrative??

I know about as much about the people behind this declaration as I do about the 50 or so people who make up NPHET. I suspect many here are the same. Yet NPHET know best? It’s a weird way of thinking, to be honest.

Rrrrrr2

lawred2 wrote: »

Obviously it's someone taking the piss but what else do you expect from a such a meaningless online petition.

You don't generally use something meaningless to achieve something meaningful.

That declaration is a joke.

Tell why it’s a joke rather than just declaring it so.
Nphet are a joke as I’ve says in numerous posts but explained why

facehugger99

Zero deaths in NI today.

Guess what the headline on RTE is?


'Grave situation' as NI sees more than 1,000 new cases.


People are being played for fools and a lot of them are lapping it up.

Rrrrrr2

weldoninhio wrote: »

Noticing it now is not hindsight, we are right in the middle of it. There's a lot of people on here who, if their reaction to Covid and govt guidelines are anything to go by, would be in Hitlers Germany, Stalins Russia, Pol Pots Cambodia or Mao's China "only following orders".

Not only that’d be salivating at the prospect and carry out orders with unbridled glee.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Zero deaths in NI today.

Guess what the headline on RTE is?


'Grave situation' as NI sees more than 1,000 new cases.


People are being played for fools and a lot of them are lapping it up.

FFS it is a grave situation what is wrong with you and the sheep thanking you. Absolutely clueless and we can only thank god you are nowhere near a position of decision making.

Brain washed by Facebook hoax video, anti maskers and other absolute morons.

Zebra3

facehugger99 wrote: »

Zero deaths in NI today.

Guess what the headline on RTE is?


'Grave situation' as NI sees more than 1,000 new cases.


People are being played for fools and a lot of them are lapping it up.

Ironic as no deaths mean no graves.

Harry Palmr

It really is time to close the border to all but non essential traffic - show us your papers stuff.

topper75

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It really is time to close the border to all but non essential traffic - show us your papers stuff.

Papers? You'll be told get your head down and get in the back of the van sonny Jim.

bush

Papers please

Penfailed

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It really is time to close the border to all but non essential traffic - show us your papers stuff.

Close it to all but non essential traffic? You sure?

xhomelezz

Is this the only country on the planet not able to control own borders?

Harry Palmr

xhomelezz wrote: »

Is this the only country on the planet not able to control own borders?

It could, but chooses not to for expedient reasons. If the midlands trio were 'off limits' to the rest of Ireland for three weeks in the summer why can't the same apply to Derry? Ask the government.

SusieBlue

I don’t see the logic in us being in level 3 (or 4/5 for that matter) when we have an open border with the north, where they had over 1,000 cases today.
What’s even the point in that when we’re bordering another jurisdiction with completely different rules and guidelines. It’s pointless.

An all island approach is needed. Our suffering is for nothing while they’re doing things completely differently in the 6 counties.

Thierry12

facehugger99 wrote: »

Zero deaths in NI today.

Guess what the headline on RTE is?


'Grave situation' as NI sees more than 1,000 new cases.


People are being played for fools and a lot of them are lapping it up.

Hardy crowd up there

dalyboy

Thierry12 wrote: »

Hardy crowd up there

1000 cases ? Great news. They’re even closer to herd immunity now.

I hope they can break 2000 cases daily next week

dundalkfc10

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It really is time to close the border to all but non essential traffic - show us your papers stuff.

Do we want all the trouble that will bring aswell as Covid. The day there is any border is the day the trouble will start all over again. The very small minority provo scum and loyalists scum are itching for a scenario like this to happen

Rrrrrr2

Zebra3 wrote: »

Ironic as no deaths mean no graves.

Much to rtes despair. Must be sad for them not to have the coffins piling up. Just a lot of people going around with no symptoms

Rrrrrr2

dalyboy wrote: »

1000 cases ? Great news. They’re even closer to herd immunity now.

I hope they can break 2000 cases daily next week

It’s going to keep rising and rising in the north. Such is the nature of things, like any virus lockdowns and the like never control it

darconio

facehugger99 wrote: »

Zero deaths in NI today.

Guess what the headline on RTE is?


'Grave situation' as NI sees more than 1,000 new cases.


People are being played for fools and a lot of them are lapping it up.

In the meantime 5 deaths in the republic: listen carefully to Rte news six one, min 35:10



https://www.rte.ie/player/series/rt%C3%A9-news-six-one/SI0000001474?epguid=IH000385130



"...5 more people have died with the virus" not from the virus
Very easy to get brainwashed if we don't pay attention.

EDIT: while posting this they removed the video! Yes no news on the 9th of October, they will probably re-post it redacted at some stage :eek: