Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

3xh

And yet a further denotification of 1 death.

All these deaths being removed in time. You’d wonder how their narrative and agenda would sound and appear if those deaths that are ultimately removed were never added in the first place.

Thierry12

darconio wrote: »

In the meantime 5 deaths in the republic: listen carefully to Rte news six one, min 35:10



https://www.rte.ie/player/series/rt%C3%A9-news-six-one/SI0000001474?epguid=IH000385130



"...5 more people have died with the virus" not from the virus
Very easy to get brainwashed if we don't pay attention.

EDIT: while posting this they removed the video! Yes no news on the 9th of October, they will probably re-post it redacted at some stage :eek:

Caitríona much hotter than Claire

Some figure

dalyboy

darconio wrote: »

In the meantime 5 deaths in the republic: listen carefully to Rte news six one, min 35:10



https://www.rte.ie/player/series/rt%C3%A9-news-six-one/SI0000001474?epguid=IH000385130



"...5 more people have died with the virus" not from the virus
Very easy to get brainwashed if we don't pay attention.

EDIT: while posting this they removed the video! Yes no news on the 9th of October, they will probably re-post it redacted at some stage :eek:

Surely you are not implying that the “ministry of truth”, otherwise known as RTE ,is trying to mislead us !

JRant

So the PR spin machine is in full flow. I find it hilarious how they are trying to rephrase lockdown as "circuit breaker". Now, whoever came up with that nonsense needs to be fired into the sun, post haste.

SNNUS

It really is a crazy time, I had to delete Twitter as it was affecting my mental health looking at healthy people pleading to be locked up and fined etc.. After all this ends I will be a lot more suspicious of the general Irish public, very easily brainwashed and unable to do their own research instead relying on fear mongering RTE/ Indo headlines.. Sad times

CruelSummer

It's been quite a week...one positive from it was Leo's interview on Monday. No-one I have met disagrees with any of the points he made and most people support the Government's take on things. The subsequent media and opposition vilification of him for taking a stand is so disappointing considering the stakes of what's involved. Particularly disappointing from the Opposition parties who should always stand for Democracy and the Tánaiste making fair and clear points in relation to the Government's reasoning to go to level 3.

Meanwhile Ryan on Late Late states - nothing to do with Covid and politics...but we all need to listen to an anecdotal story of how someone nearly died from it..on a Friday night, after a long week of Covid overload. The Late Late is clearly not an entertainment show anymore.

dalyboy

SNNUS wrote: »

It really is a crazy time, I had to delete Twitter as it was affecting my mental health looking at healthy people pleading to be locked up and fined etc.. After all this ends I will be a lot more suspicious of the general Irish public, very easily brainwashed and unable to do their own research instead relying on fear mongering RTE/ Indo headlines.. Sad times

To hell with all of them. Let them stew in their own miserable dire existence.

Anyone with any thinking brain knows something smells rotten with this entire manipulative escapade we are witnessing .

Delete / cancel anything that’s corrosive in life including social media, tv/radio , fake friends , gas lighting curtain twitching relatives etc

I personally did a ruthless full scale cancellation of anything corrosive in my life..
I feel a million times better from it and think so much more clearly since.

wextipp

topper75 wrote: »

Chairperson of Shannondoc - Dr. Pat Morrisey - was sacked from the role for merely asking this very question.

There is definitely a hysterical aspect to it. It is Ahabesque madness.

He also prescribed hydroxychloroquine to high-risk patients that got sick with Covid. Some of the stuff he shares on Twitter is a bit unusual IMHO, Nigel Farage, Declan Ganley etc.

Thierry12

wextipp wrote: »

He also prescribed hydroxychloroquine to high-risk patients that got sick with Covid. Some of the stuff he shares on Twitter is a bit unusual IMHO, Nigel Farage, Declan Ganley etc.

Prescribed what?

Birdie Num Num

darconio wrote: »

In the meantime 5 deaths in the republic: listen carefully to Rte news six one, min 35:10



https://www.rte.ie/player/series/rt%C3%A9-news-six-one/SI0000001474?epguid=IH000385130



"...5 more people have died with the virus" not from the virus
Very easy to get brainwashed if we don't pay attention.

EDIT: while posting this they removed the video! Yes no news on the 9th of October, they will probably re-post it redacted at some stage :eek:

Technically, nobody dies from the virus. Fatalities are from resulting respiratory problems. Also if you’re unfortunate enough to end up in ICU as a result, it’s possible to die from other complications, heart and/or other organ failure for example.

Don’t get this ‘from’ v ‘with’ nonsense.

topper75

wextipp wrote: »

He also prescribed hydroxychloroquine to high-risk patients that got sick with Covid. Some of the stuff he shares on Twitter is a bit unusual IMHO, Nigel Farage, Declan Ganley etc.

I would accept unusual as a fair word. It is not mainstream politics.

But I would baulk at the idea of trying to restrain a man's conscience politically. Most people who have read Orwell's works would.

What should he have prescribed those patients by the way? Asking for a friend called WHO.:P

wextipp

topper75 wrote: »

I would accept unusual as a fair word. It is not mainstream politics.

But I would baulk at the idea of trying to restrain a man's conscience politically. Most people who have read Orwell's works would.

What should he have prescribed those patients by the way? Asking for a friend called WHO.:P

Not sure what to prescribe but giving hydroxychloroquine is against HSE regulations.
Not saying he is anti-vax but that would be unusual for a GP.

topper75

wextipp wrote: »

Not sure what to prescribe but giving hydroxychloroquine is against HSE regulations.

Regulations or guidelines?

The difference is significant because I don't think a doctor should be shackled in their efforts to save a patient's life. They have taken an oath to 'do no harm'.

I am mindful of the development of penicillin and also of the story in Westport of the Polish lads with botulism:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/first-case-of-mayo-botulism-in-20-years-1.1005352

Docs thinking outside the box can be a very welcome thing.

wextipp

topper75 wrote: »

Regulations or guidelines?

Not sure just going on his quote from this IT article.

darconio

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Technically, nobody dies from the virus. Fatalities are from resulting respiratory problems. Also if you’re unfortunate enough to end up in ICU as a result, it’s possible to die from other complications, heart and/or other organ failure for example.

Don’t get this ‘from’ v ‘with’ nonsense.

I'm glad we agree on something: the virus is not fatal, we don't die from coronavirus.
Yet, as soon as somebody dies, is quickly added to the number of "Death by Covid" : yeah I don't get this nonsense either

manniot2

SNNUS wrote: »

It really is a crazy time, I had to delete Twitter as it was affecting my mental health looking at healthy people pleading to be locked up and fined etc.. After all this ends I will be a lot more suspicious of the general Irish public, very easily brainwashed and unable to do their own research instead relying on fear mongering RTE/ Indo headlines.. Sad times

It’s very worrying. I can only put it down to:

1. Large % of public sector workers happy to take the wage and wfh
2. A general increased laziness setting in
3. Young people lacking dynamism of earlier generations and happy to sit at home watching tv
4. % of people who did nothing before this and are happy to have others join them in their misery

Tredstone

I think there's battlelines between those who are comfortable during the crisis and those whose lives are in emotional and mental turmoil

Glenomra

manniot2 wrote: »

It’s very worrying. I can only put it down to:

1. Large % of public sector workers happy to take the wage and wfh
2. A general increased laziness setting in
3. Young people lacking dynamism of earlier generations and happy to sit at home watching tv
4. % of people who did nothing before this and are happy to have others join them in their misery

Main reason imo is that there's little financial cost for very many people including my own family. When that changes people's attitudes will change also. But not until then.

manniot2

manniot2 wrote: »

It’s very worrying. I can only put it down to:

1. Large % of public sector workers happy to take the wage and wfh

Hardly fair to make this a private vs public sector thing. There is a large % of private sector workers WFH and very happy to do so (myself included). There is more public sector than private sector working from home currently I would think.

Also the way you word it “happy to take a wage and WFH” suggested they are doing nothing while the reality is the vast majority are doing their job exactly as they would in the office but benefit from a much improved work/life balance and no commute (or cost of commuting etc). It’s a major positive from this terrible pandemic. The speeding up of the move towards WFH.

manniot2

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Hardly fair to make this a private vs public sector thing. There is a large % of private sector workers WFH and very happy to do so (myself included). There is more public sector than private sector working from home currently I would think.

Yes sorry you are probably right. I am private sector wfh myself but I see massive economic clouds gathering so we won’t come out untouched.unlike the public sector (largely)

bush

Put everyone on 300 euro a week and see how quickly they change their tune.

manniot2

Tredstone wrote: »

I think there's battlelines between those who are comfortable during the crisis and those whose lives are in emotional and mental turmoil

Even those that are comfortable. I struggle to understand the subservience to this and the lack of a broader appreciation for the problems these lockdowns create.

Tredstone

manniot2 wrote: »

Even those that are comfortable. I struggle to understand the subservience to this and the lack of a broader appreciation for the problems these lockdowns create.

You know when you get a sudden illness or a pain and it always the worst pain you ever had.

You forget everything else in the desire to eliminate this pain.Covid feels a lot like that.

facehugger99

Glenomra wrote: »

Main reason imo is that there's little financial cost for very many people including my own family. When that changes people's attitudes will change also. But not until then.

The lockdown-cheerleaders of RTE have tried to portray the estimated €21bn deficit this year as a good news story this morning I see.

If services were cut and taxes were increased (including salary cuts at RTE), we would see an entirely different public response to Covid 19.

The narrative from RTE would change very quickly too.

The tax increases and cuts to services are coming and it will already be far too late to take corrective action when they are introduced.

Jackman25

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

It’s going to keep rising and rising in the north. Such is the nature of things, like any virus lockdowns and the like never control it

People in the North know what real danger is

Rrrrrr2

manniot2 wrote: »

It’s very worrying. I can only put it down to:

1. Large % of public sector workers happy to take the wage and wfh
2. A general increased laziness setting in
3. Young people lacking dynamism of earlier generations and happy to sit at home watching tv
4. % of people who did nothing before this and are happy to have others join them in their misery

This. The laziness and general drive to do nothing I find hard to get my head around. Seems to be this overwhelming desire to do nothing out there. How will we ever achieve anything as a country with this kind of attitude?

normanoffside

The WHO's Covid chief David Nabarro has appealed to the west to stop using lockdown as it's killing millions of poor people

https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434

Penfailed

facehugger99 wrote: »

The tax increases and cuts to services are coming and it will already be far too late to take corrective action when they are introduced.

They'll have to increase taxes and cut services in Sweden too. Sweden's GDP dropped more in Q2 than Norway and Finland. Two weeks ago the death rate was 10 times the two. Here's a list of things that they are doing in Sweden -

growleaves

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown-cheerleaders of RTE have tried to portray the estimated €21bn deficit this year as a good news story this morning I see.

If services were cut and taxes were increased (including salary cuts at RTE), we would see an entirely different public response to Covid 19.

The narrative from RTE would change very quickly too.

The tax increases and cuts to services are coming and it will already be far too late to take corrective action when they are introduced.

There is going to be a massive lowering of the standard of living. Last week an environmentalist group in Dublin were ridiculing the idea that people would still be driving in the near future, calling it a "fantasy of cheap oil".

The future planned by the World Economic Forum is that we will all be undifferentiated techno-serfs with little money and no autonomy.

AUDI20

bush wrote: »

Put everyone on 300 euro a week and see how quickly they change their tune.

I would be delighted, I am an old age pensioner and only get €230 a week. would be a nice increase for me !!