Would you be in favor of covid-19 fines in Ireland?

touts

90%+ of the population are abiding by the rules. But there is an increasing minority who are doing things like not wearing masks, holding house parties, playing for their club team after testing positive for Covid. To close the gap to 100% we need to do something to force this anti-social 10% into line. Asking them nicely doesn't work.

So the government and guards react this morning by: Punishing the 90%. The 90% obeyed the rules but had to queue for 30-40 minutes to get to work today. So what do they want us to do? I'm really baffled as to why I'm being punished for the behaviour of others. Do they expect people to do the job of the guards and don balaclavas and baseball bats and go break up house parties and patrol shopping centers for masks?

sabat

sabat wrote: »

More control. More punishment. More force. Shame them. Set the army on them. Fine them. Jail them. How about just fck off?

The only thing anyone is trying to control is the transmission of Covid19.

That's it.

Everything else belongs on the conspiracy theory forum.

Strumms

sabat wrote: »

More control. More punishment. More force. Shame them. Set the army on them. Fine them. Jail them. How about just fck off?

More none of the above. Simply using resources and laws to ensure, safety, wellbeing and the health of people gets facilitated and prioritized above all else.

xhomelezz

sabat wrote: »

Masks keep you safe. From the danger. Utter horsesh1t and you people lap it up.

Lol, looks like you are losing it altogether. Yes we are all sheep or little hitlers running around you and taking away your freedom, or whatever you are missing right now.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I don't understand where wanting fines is being equated to being anti-democratic. If that is the case then most countries are anti-democratic.

I think it is correct to fine those that break the rules rather than impacting the majority. Some politicians are suggesting off licence hours to be curtailed to prevent house parties. How about fining the resident's of a house for hosting a party instead and deal with the situation head on.

dartboardio

article here basically showingGardaí can threaten extra enforcement or measures but can't actually back these up, they do it with the hope of getting you to comply.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/546536639103500/permalink/1029356164154876/

circadian

Facebook?

pgj2015

Glenomra wrote: »

hope they introduce penalties. It will mark the start of serious civil disobedience. Watch the opposition to these measure become widespread and the consequent failure of the authorities to impose them.

Like it did when they introduced penalty points and speed camera vans for speeding? The majority of people have enough cop on to follow the covid restrictions, its only a sizeable minority who refuse to so most people wont be burning down the dail over fines for morons not wearing masks.

Hand in Your Pants

sabat wrote: »

It's depressing to behold how easily so many of my countrymen were duped into becoming jumped-up little Hitlers.

Boards isn't representative of the country. It's full of cranks and curtain twitchers and people who spend way too much time online that haven't left their homes in months.

Hellrazer

sabat wrote: »

This is just regurgitation of propaganda. You people have gone insane.

Ill bite - Propaganda defination - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.


There is proof that wearing masks protects people - that's not propaganda.

Tenzor07

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Boards isn't representative of the country. It's full of cranks and curtain twitchers and people who spend way too much time online that haven't left their homes in months.

Yeap, about 5 of them on here, almost answering each other, a few of them even threadbanned from the main Covid forum.... I think we should have a whip around and get them some oneway tickets to Belarus...

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Fair point.

When does it stop though?

What is the quantifiable point when the fines stop for socialising?

The "quantifiable point" is whatever numbers are set according to the level of restrictions in your County.

At the moment, that is Level 3.

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yeap, about 5 of them on here, almost answering each other, a few of them even threadbanned from the main Covid forum.... I think we should have a whip around and get them some oneway tickets to Belarus...

And I thought is the other way around. Any oneway ticket you would like to get? Limited resources on my side, but I'll do my best to help you out.

JP Liz V1

Deleted User wrote: »

We were doing well down here in Waterford until there was a meat factory outbreak. Cases began to soar. Thankfully on the way back down.

What's an appropriate punishment for the meat barons?

Way higher fines

Tenzor07

xhomelezz wrote: »

And I thought is the other way around. Any oneway ticket you would like to get? Limited resources on my side, but I'll do my best to help you out.

Ticket to Belarus for you sir, a nice policeman will be waiting for you...

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Ticket to Belarus for you sir, a nice policeman will be waiting for you...

I'll pass, but thank you. Gonna wait here till Ireland finally gonna get something close to respectable police force being backed up and respected by people.

Sardonicat

pgj2015 wrote: »

Like it did when they introduced penalty points and speed camera vans for speeding? The majority of people have enough cop on to follow the covid restrictions, its only a sizeable minority who refuse to so most people wont be burning down the dail over fines for morons not wearing masks.

I might set fire to an anti masker one of the days. ..

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Ticket to Belarus for you sir, a nice policeman will be waiting for you...

Since you are in a small minority around here it would be easier for you and your ilk to head off to one of the places who are “managing” things “better” than us. Just don’t come back here spreading virus.

Tenzor07

Mallory Great Woodpecker wrote: »

Since you are in a small minority around here it would be easier for you and your ilk to head off to one of the places who are “managing” things “better” than us. Just don’t come back here spreading virus.

I was going to pay for your ticket myself, say hello to Alexander....

saabsaab

xhomelezz wrote: »

Because they aren't following your logic?

Can't say I follow his logic either. Extra checkpoints will also deter crime.

Ten of Swords

Sardonicat do not post in this thread again

Dravokivich

I voted no, while I agree with the guidelines, i don't agree with fines as the risk of fines don't lead to compliance.

mohawk

Well I don’t say I agree with fines for social distancing because unless you have the measuring tape out who is to say it’s 1.95m or 2m.

I am definitely in favour of fines for not self-isolating when waiting for results, showing symptoms or after testing positive.

Mask compliance is very high in any shops I have been in. There are a small percentage of people who wear them going into the shop but then take them off. They are same people that constantly display antisocial behaviour.

Tenzor07

mohawk wrote: »

Well I don’t say I agree with fines for social distancing because unless you have the measuring tape out who is to say it’s 1.95m or 2m.

Don't need a tape, Video cameras can do all that now:


https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/cameras-which-can-monitor-social-distancing-in-pipeline-for-town-centres-235059/

FintanMcluskey

mohawk wrote: »

Well I don’t say I agree with fines for social distancing because unless you have the measuring tape out who is to say it’s 1.95m or 2m.

I am definitely in favour of fines for not self-isolating when waiting for results, showing symptoms or after testing positive.

Mask compliance is very high in any shops I have been in. There are a small percentage of people who wear them going into the shop but then take them off. They are same people that constantly display antisocial behaviour.

Completely agree with the mask wearing.

Ive travelled all about Ireland the past few months for work. I have not witnessed this supposed lack of mask wearing compliance.

Fines for mask wearing would make little difference and I wouldnt object to it, but the social assembly fines is a dangerous path.

Guards entering some old dears house to fine her because she has 2 friends over for coffee, no thanks!

Guards using their "discretion" as to if your journey is essential, no thanks!

pgj2015

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Completely agree with the mask wearing.

Ive travelled all about Ireland the past few months for work. I have not witnessed this supposed lack of mask wearing compliance.

Fines for mask wearing would make little difference and I wouldnt object to it, but the social assembly fines is a dangerous path.

Guards entering some old dears house to fine her because she has 2 friends over for coffee, no thanks!

As if that would ever happen.

I would be in favor of guards entering a house where there is a huge rave on.

Strumms

Dravokivich wrote: »

I voted no, while I agree with the guidelines, i don't agree with fines as the risk of fines don't lead to compliance.

The main catalyst to ensuring compliance is there being a deterrent.

The only way to do that is hit assholes in their pockets..all that effort to go and collect their money then they’ll need to pay it back ? three weeks covid payback should focus minds.

Dravokivich

Strumms wrote: »

The main catalyst to ensuring compliance is there being a deterrent.

The only way to do that is hit assholes in their pockets..all that effort to go and collect their money then they’ll need to pay it back ? three weeks covid payback should focus minds.

You'll get people who won't pay and people who'll be compromised becuase they can't pay. Fines are not a deterrent.

jester77

We have fines here in Hamburg, 10k fines handed out so far, 900k paid. No idea if it works, but nice bit of cash for the city to work with if nothing else.

Tenzor07

Dravokivich wrote: »

You'll get people who won't pay and people who'll be compromised becuase they can't pay. Fines are not a deterrent.

Well true of course, but there's at least 3 or 4 characters on here who while they are all for fining people, it's only the start and they'd like to see punishments go A Lot further....