Pay Per View Premier League Games

Mitch Connor

okidoki987 wrote: »

Fair enough but the Premier League are the ones charging fans €14.95 a match.
The money they collect from these matches would help pay the footballers and their agents salaries which are some of the highest in the world.
If they didn't have such big bills to pay, they wouldn't need to try and charge
fans so much.

They'd just make more profits.

CSF

okidoki987 wrote: »

Fair enough but the Premier League are the ones charging fans €14.95 a match.
The money they collect from these matches would help pay the footballers and their agents salaries which are some of the highest in the world.
If they didn't have such big bills to pay, they wouldn't need to try and charge
fans so much.

Who do you think makes more money from Man United? Marcus Rashford, Bruno Fernandes, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or the Glazers?

Agent Coulson

The Athletic reporting that after a meeting today they agreed to stick with the £14.99 price for now.

£538k has so far been made from the PPV games.

gimli2112

getting an average of 40K purchasing according to the DM, some outliers, several games had below 10K and there were some 80-90K
it's slightly ahead of what they were forecasting

ERG89

gimli2112 wrote: »

getting an average of 40K purchasing according to the DM, some outliers, several games had below 10K and there were some 80-90K
it's slightly ahead of what they were forecasting

I think how are these people so stupid and then I remember they voted for Boris & Brexit.

Mitch Connor

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Athletic reporting that after a meeting today they agreed to stick with the £14.99 price for now.

£538k has so far been made from the PPV games.

Per game. Still rubbish figures.

thelad95

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Per game. Still rubbish figures.

It's basically free money that they're gouging from people.

Cameras are at the games anyway, they've just them behind a double pay wall.

I'd also argue in a time of a global pandemic that they're being quite irresponsible as surely people are more likely to visit each other to watch the game instead of multiple households paying for it?

Degag

I think a tenner is still too much (considering it'd probably be about 12 quid here)

I don't think they'll ever reduce it to a fiver. £7 or £8 is probably what they should think about reducing it to.

simongurnick

Nobody uses iptv?

Maybe it's pubs giving a lot of the business not a lot of money to have a match going on a Friday night

garrettod

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe it's pubs giving a lot of the business not a lot of money to have a match going on a Friday night

I think that Pubs are on a seperate fee structure, so don't think that's it.



Paying anything on a PPV basis, while still getting tapped up for monthly subscriptions to Sky, BT etc is just crazy and should be avoided, at all costs.

If they want to get rid of the monthly subscriptions and just charge a fair price per individual game, with all games for all teams available to view live, then that's a different conversation.

However, for now, I hope that more and more people are cancelling their subscriptions to the various TV companies. I'll guarantee you that the broadcasters will coming crawling back, offering all sorts, to get people to resubscribe (given they were doing that before this latest fiasco ever even stated).

Father Hernandez

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe it's pubs giving a lot of the business not a lot of money to have a match going on a Friday night

garrettod wrote: »

I think that Pubs are on a seperate fee structure, so don't think that's it.



Paying anything on a PPV basis, while still getting tapped up for monthly subscriptions to Sky, BT etc is just crazy and should be avoided, at all costs.

If they want to get rid of the monthly subscriptions and just charge a fair price per individual game, with all games for all teams available to view live, then that's a different conversation.

However, for now, I hope that more and more people are cancelling their subscriptions to the various TV companies. I'll guarantee you that the broadcasters will coming crawling back, offering all sorts, to get people to resubscribe (given they were doing that before this latest fiasco ever even stated).

Agreed with the above.

Are the pubs not closed in the UK similar to here, certainly in some regions so that would be a factor?

Regardless they'd be on a much different pay structure. Could be charged £100/150 per game. SKY/BT would charge anything from £400+ for pubs per month in the UK.

Fr Tod Umptious

simongurnick wrote: »

Nobody uses iptv?

Are there any surveys out there of actual IPTV usage ?

I think it's use may be somewhat overstated.

You often hear people here say "sure everyone is using IPTV" or " I know loads of people using IPTV"

I'm guessing the "everyone" and the "loads" mentioned above are probably just a number of like minded friends or acquaintances, rather than any larger sample size of the population.

People on here are by and large internet savy and will figure out how to find something like IPTV if they want to.

But there are a whole cohort of people that are less (even in this day and age) internet savy and don't know that IPTV exists or don't know how to search for what they want.

Plus in places like boards.ie, where people go to get information, IPTV discussion is banned, so they won't get it here.
I'm guessing it's banned on many different team web chat sites too.

Then you have the safety issue.
Take a look at any free stream site and it's full of pop-ups for all kind of s**t.

God only knows what it's leaving behind on your PC if you hit the wrong button when trying to dismiss one of those pop-ups.

So someone dipping their toe in the "looking for an alternative to Sky/BT for the match" area could be very easily scared off by some of these sites.

I've been a user of free illegal streams for 15 years.

In that time the majority have been of poor quality and bring a lot of frustration.

But I'm still very unwilling to go and spend money on a illegal stream even if it offered better quality.

Firstly I've no idea it will offer better quality until I have tried.

Secondly I've no idea whether it will be there or not the next time I try it.

Thirdly I've just handed over payment information and other details possibly to God only knows who.

And finally, what sort of nefarious stuff might be going on in the background while I'm watching this stream on some sort of site from China or Russia ?

So even though IPTV has become more popular and will continue to do so as network speeds improve, I believe it's still a much smaller size of the market than people think.

CSF

OmegaGene wrote: »

iptv sellers accept paypal and crypto so no need for payment details to be handed over, you would be surprised at how many people use it on a daily basis with some having a few suppliers so if a service has any issues they have a back up and for the sake of €30 there are no midget porn pop ups (yes it happened to me ) and decent quality streams but it isnt for everyone and not as good as sky
sky have been spending millions to block iptv but it is a losing battle

What if I like those pop ups? You’ve cost yourself a sale.

simongurnick

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Are there any surveys out there of actual IPTV usage ?

I think it's use may be somewhat overstated.

You often hear people here say "sure everyone is using IPTV" or " I know loads of people using IPTV"

I'm guessing the "everyone" and the "loads" mentioned above are probably just a number of like minded friends or acquaintances, rather than any larger sample size of the population.

People on here are by and large internet savy and will figure out how to find something like IPTV if they want to.

But there are a whole cohort of people that are less (even in this day and age) internet savy and don't know that IPTV exists or don't know how to search for what they want.

Plus in places like boards.ie, where people go to get information, IPTV discussion is banned, so they won't get it here.
I'm guessing it's banned on many different team web chat sites too.

Then you have the safety issue.
Take a look at any free stream site and it's full of pop-ups for all kind of s**t.

God only knows what it's leaving behind on your PC if you hit the wrong button when trying to dismiss one of those pop-ups.

So someone dipping their toe in the "looking for an alternative to Sky/BT for the match" area could be very easily scared off by some of these sites.

I've been a user of free illegal streams for 15 years.

In that time the majority have been of poor quality and bring a lot of frustration.

But I'm still very unwilling to go and spend money on a illegal stream even if it offered better quality.

Firstly I've no idea it will offer better quality until I have tried.

Secondly I've no idea whether it will be there or not the next time I try it.

Thirdly I've just handed over payment information and other details possibly to God only knows who.

And finally, what sort of nefarious stuff might be going on in the background while I'm watching this stream on some sort of site from China or Russia ?

So even though IPTV has become more popular and will continue to do so as network speeds improve, I believe it's still a much smaller size of the market than people think.

Fair points and there lots of different versions out there. What I have is a package on TV, looks and feels like a cable format. No pop ups or anything like that.
But yeah, my inlaws got an andorid box and couldnt figure out how to use it.
I just things like ppv individual games push people towards other alternatives. Just another example of cable and TV ripping people off, IMO

Speak Now

Without meaning to sound like the tracker mortgage guy what the heck is IPTV?

Fr Tod Umptious

Speak Now wrote: »

Without meaning to sound like the tracker mortgage guy what the heck is IPTV?

Internet Protocol Television.
It's basically a catch all term for video streaming services.
Netflix, Amazon prime etc are examples of legit IPTV services.

But there are also unauthorized ones that offer access to programming, sports, movies etc that are usually on subscription stations, like Sky.
Some of these unauthorized services are free but of questionable quality, others cost money, but much less than the likes of a Sky package, and may offer better service than the free ones.

thelad95

Anyone who I've visited that has a "dodgy" box, the stream is utterly rubbish and they're paying a subscription to someone they met in a car boot sale so he/she can continue pirating TV. I'm aware there are some more sophisticated set ups but it is still piracy and I don't know why people are so proud of the fact they engage in it and are happy to tell others they have a dodgy box.

The thing is most people actually want to legitimately watch matches but TV providers have alienated them for years with their shameless price gouging and this move to put games essentially behind a double pay wall is an extremely low blow especially in a global health emergency.

There wouldn't be such a market for pirated products along with your traditional crappy internet streams if they could just stop gouging money from the bottom of the chain. I've lived in both Germany and the Czech Republic and the prices charged to both attend games and watch on the TV are incredibly affordable as they should be. Consumers in Ireland and the UK face a bill of upwards of 100 quid a month on top of their basic TV subscription for BT/Sky and Amazon. Someday the Premier League bubble will burst, the product as they like to call it is not worth that much.

Degag

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Agreed with the above.

Are the pubs not closed in the UK similar to here, certainly in some regions so that would be a factor?

Regardless they'd be on a much different pay structure. Could be charged £100/150 per game. SKY/BT would charge anything from £400+ for pubs per month in the UK.

Back in the Prem Plus days a single game was a few hundred to get into a pub. Wouldn't like to see what it would be now.

Unearthly

Over half a million per game is better than i thought it would be. Nearly 3 million each weekend

I'd say the only reason now they'd change it is of they feel the PR damage is worth more than that

okidoki987

Unearthly wrote: »

Over half a million per game is better than i thought it would be. Nearly 3 million each weekend

I'd say the only reason now they'd change it is of they feel the PR damage is worth more than that

If they doing those kind of numbers, there's no way they will reduce the cost for the moment.

Back in the Prem Plus days a single game was a few hundred to get into a pub. Wouldn't like to see what it would be now.

A manager in a suburban pub showed me the cost of Sky matches some years ago and it was horrendous, can't remember exact amount but it was over 1k at the time.
Now you have BT on top of that.
There are all sorts of conditions Sky used to determine like size of the pub, number of people, location etc.
The manager told me he had no choice but to get it in, even though he wouldn't make the cost back on extra sales.
If he didn't get Sky Sports in, punters would just go to the pub up the road and he would lose their custom.

CSF wrote: »

Who do you think makes more money from Man United? Marcus Rashford, Bruno Fernandes, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or the Glazers?

The Glazers have been creaming money from the club since they took it over but that's for another thread.

CSF

Is it for another thread though? If people are talking about limiting people’s earnings in the sport, surely these are the guys we should be looking at before the footballers.

mikeym

The days of Streaming Premier League matches illegally are coming to an end, Sky and the Premier League are cracking down on it already.

Most IPTV sellers have been targeted by now and have had to change the way they operate.

It happened to card sharing years ago loads of people thought they wouldnt be effected but look now nobodys selling it.

Its all money these days and the Premier League think that fans have unlimited cash.

Corholio

As long as Premier League games are shown abroad, illegal streams will always be around. They will never, ever crack down on that aspect of it.

mada999

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Are there any surveys out there of actual IPTV usage ?

I think it's use may be somewhat overstated.

You often hear people here say "sure everyone is using IPTV" or " I know loads of people using IPTV"

I'm guessing the "everyone" and the "loads" mentioned above are probably just a number of like minded friends or acquaintances, rather than any larger sample size of the population.

People on here are by and large internet savy and will figure out how to find something like IPTV if they want to.

But there are a whole cohort of people that are less (even in this day and age) internet savy and don't know that IPTV exists or don't know how to search for what they want.

Plus in places like boards.ie, where people go to get information, IPTV discussion is banned, so they won't get it here.
I'm guessing it's banned on many different team web chat sites too.

Then you have the safety issue.
Take a look at any free stream site and it's full of pop-ups for all kind of s**t.

God only knows what it's leaving behind on your PC if you hit the wrong button when trying to dismiss one of those pop-ups.

So someone dipping their toe in the "looking for an alternative to Sky/BT for the match" area could be very easily scared off by some of these sites.

I've been a user of free illegal streams for 15 years.

In that time the majority have been of poor quality and bring a lot of frustration.

But I'm still very unwilling to go and spend money on a illegal stream even if it offered better quality.

Firstly I've no idea it will offer better quality until I have tried.

Secondly I've no idea whether it will be there or not the next time I try it.

Thirdly I've just handed over payment information and other details possibly to God only knows who.

And finally, what sort of nefarious stuff might be going on in the background while I'm watching this stream on some sort of site from China or Russia ?

So even though IPTV has become more popular and will continue to do so as network speeds improve, I believe it's still a much smaller size of the market than people think.

the thing is, all these massive companies are missing a trick. If sports channels were a decent price then most people would just get them at the source... just like spotify ..there's no need to gouge imo... Spotify nailed it, netflix nailed it..sky need to nail it.. there's a lot of people who use IPTV and they know nothin about IT etc and they dont need to. more than likely.. download an app, enter a username and password ...word of mouth spreads... sky are pushing more ppl to IPTV imo..

mada999

mikeym wrote: »

The days of Streaming Premier League matches illegally are coming to an end, Sky and the Premier League are cracking down on it already.

Most IPTV sellers have been targeted by now and have had to change the way they operate.

It happened to card sharing years ago loads of people thought they wouldnt be effected but look now nobodys selling it.

Its all money these days and the Premier League think that fans have unlimited cash.

and you know what.. ppl have always found a way around it... if they charged a fair price for their wares and showed the same content as can be purchased abroad then there would be no need for anyone to stream illegally imo

Shanotheslayer

mikeym wrote: »

The days of Streaming Premier League matches illegally are coming to an end.

Heard that years ago.

mikeym

mikeym wrote: »

The days of Streaming Premier League matches illegally are coming to an end, Sky and the Premier League are cracking down on it already.

Most IPTV sellers have been targeted by now and have had to change the way they operate.

It happened to card sharing years ago loads of people thought they wouldnt be effected but look now nobodys selling it.

Its all money these days and the Premier League think that fans have unlimited cash.

If anything, it's getting easier and easier to watch games elsewhere.

mada999

mada999 wrote: »

the thing is, all these massive companies are missing a trick. If sports channels were a decent price then most people would just get them at the source... just like spotify ..there's no need to gouge imo... Spotify nailed it, netflix nailed it..sky need to nail it.. there's a lot of people who use IPTV and they know nothin about IT etc and they dont need to. more than likely.. download an app, enter a username and password ...word of mouth spreads... sky are pushing more ppl to IPTV imo..

Except that Netflix started from the bottom. Sky and BT have paid for the rights already and need to recoup that money. How low could they go to get the same revenue? Because at the end of the day not everyone is into football.

Pauliedragon

Who exactly is charging for the games? I read the other day that sky and bt were fuming at the hatred towards them even though they aren't the ones charging and I've heard journos on a podcast yesterday hammering sky and bt for charging. Which is it?

Fr Tod Umptious

mada999 wrote: »

the thing is, all these massive companies are missing a trick. If sports channels were a decent price then most people would just get them at the source... just like spotify ..there's no need to gouge imo... Spotify nailed it, netflix nailed it..sky need to nail it.. there's a lot of people who use IPTV and they know nothin about IT etc and they dont need to. more than likely.. download an app, enter a username and password ...word of mouth spreads... sky are pushing more ppl to IPTV imo..

Artists get a pittance from spotify.
I can't Link now but I've read anywhere between $0.006 and $0.0084 for a play/download.

It's nothing like physical sales used to be.

You cannot extrapolate that on to the premier league.
The premier league costs a lot of money to run and as we have seen from tv contracts over the past decades it's a high value product.

So any premier league streaming service is not going to be "a decent price' like spotify because it's not like spotify.
It has to generate a lot of money.

rob316

mikeym wrote: »

The days of Streaming Premier League matches illegally are coming to an end, Sky and the Premier League are cracking down on it already.

Most IPTV sellers have been targeted by now and have had to change the way they operate.

It happened to card sharing years ago loads of people thought they wouldnt be effected but look now nobodys selling it.

Its all money these days and the Premier League think that fans have unlimited cash.

I've been hearing that for years, X-Stream codes raid took 50m out over night, something else just replaced it. As long as the demand is there, there will always be piracy.

An affordable subscription is the only way forward for the premier league.

ArmaniJeanss

rob316 wrote: »

An affordable subscription is the only way forward for the premier league.

IPTV will always be far cheaper though, it's not possible for Sky to compete. So you will always have people who say that the official service is a multiple of IPTV so why should I pay?

IPTV don't have the 3 major costs that Sky have.
1. They aren't paying anything to the EPL for the rights.
2. They aren't contributing in any way to the cost of getting the game transmitted - camera people, technicians, commentators, graphics, sound, satellite time.
3. I doubt they are paying VAT on whatever they are charging you? 21% of your Sky/VirginMedia sub is going on VAT.

rob316

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

IPTV will always be far cheaper though, it's not possible for Sky to compete. So you will always have people who say that the official service is a multiple of IPTV so why should I pay?

IPTV don't have the 3 major costs that Sky have.
1. They aren't paying anything to the EPL for the rights.
2. They aren't contributing in any way to the cost of getting the game transmitted - camera people, technicians, commentators, graphics, sound, satellite time.
3. I doubt they are paying VAT on whatever they are charging you? 21% of your Sky/VirginMedia sub is going on VAT.

I have an excellent IPTV service but lets be honest it will never compare to the real mccoy. I'd pay a few hundred a year for a proper streaming package, with access to all games in 4k and ability to stream on mutiple devices. There is a price point where you'd be happy to pay for a first class service vs an illegal source.

How many subscribers are the premier league losing to IPTV? I probably know less people with legit Sky than a "dodgy box" and that includes, young, old, well off and less well off.

c.p.w.g.w

simongurnick wrote: »

Fair points and there lots of different versions out there. What I have is a package on TV, looks and feels like a cable format. No pop ups or anything like that.
But yeah, my inlaws got an andorid box and couldnt figure out how to use it.
I just things like ppv individual games push people towards other alternatives. Just another example of cable and TV ripping people off, IMO

A PM would be appreciated

Liam O

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Artists get a pittance from spotify.
I can't Link now but I've read anywhere between $0.006 and $0.0084 for a play/download.

It's nothing like physical sales used to be.

You cannot extrapolate that on to the premier league.
The premier league costs a lot of money to run and as we have seen from tv contracts over the past decades it's a high value product.

So any premier league streaming service is not going to be "a decent price' like spotify because it's not like spotify.
It has to generate a lot of money.

If everyone who watched it had a €20-30 a month subscription to the PL Netflix or Spotify style then they would be swimming in money. Look at the WWE. Their old PPV model was being replaced by a 9.99 subscription that included all their old shows on VOD. Now the PL won't want to bear the cost to implement this but there is nothing stopping Sky updating how they operate. They've tried to with Now TV and that's reasonably popular but still a very limited service based on watching live TV and sold in packages.

10000maniacs

Portugal, Croatia, South Africa and the USA have broadcast most of the ppv games so far on their sports networks. Its just a matter of using your nut and doing a bit of research on how to pick them up.
I won't elaborate as it is not allowed on this forum.

c.p.w.g.w

10000maniacs wrote: »

Portugal, Croatia, South Africa and the USA have broadcast most of the ppv games so far on their sports networks. Its just a matter of using your nut and doing a bit of research on how to pick them up.
I won't elaborate as it is not allowed on this forum.

Currently watching the game here, and my monthly sub is 9€ and this includes all prem games and many other leagues too

Nunu

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Currently watching the game here, and my monthly sub is 9€ and this includes all prem games and many other leagues too

Mines 2 months for €8 but only shows all PL games & PL teams in Europe. Plus SKY & BT box office events. All games HD and no buffering ever.

Subscribing for years but whoever he/she is hasn’t taken new subscriptions for quite a long time. Obviously happy with their level of subscribers and staying under the radar.

Degag

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Artists get a pittance from spotify.
I can't Link now but I've read anywhere between $0.006 and $0.0084 for a play/download.

It's nothing like physical sales used to be.

You cannot extrapolate that on to the premier league.
The premier league costs a lot of money to run and as we have seen from tv contracts over the past decades it's a high value product.

So any premier league streaming service is not going to be "a decent price' like spotify because it's not like spotify.
It has to generate a lot of money.

Of course you can extrapolate it onto the Premier League. I can't say i know too much about Spotify and i know there have been some controversies (Taylor Swift maybe?) but pretty much everyone is on Spotify. Multi million, if not billion, record selling artists, earning revenue in kind. The music business is worth way more than the Premier League could ever hope to be worth i'd hazard a guess.

I know that may not be your exact pojnt but alot of the reason the Premier League is a high value product is because they know mugs like us historically will pay for it. I think the tide is turning. The wages were always huge (in the modern era) but its becoming too disenfranchised from the ordinary man now. You have players in the championship on a couple million a year. Players not even registered on 17m a year. Ordinary staff being let go in the middle of a pandemic to accomodate this. And then they ask for 15 quid to show a single game when people are already paying large subs. They are hugely out of touch.

okidoki987

The UK Sun so must be right! :rolleyes:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13081723/premier-league-bosses-pressure-scrap/

Mushy

To be scrapped according to The Athletic

Fitz*

Good news that the PPV model is to be scrapped.

Degag

There's been no official confirmation though has there?

CSF

Degag wrote: »

There's been no official confirmation though has there?

No, but it’s being reported as a done deal

thelad95

Perhaps holding out until after this round of games to guard against people not bothering purchasing the games knowing they'll all be available after this weekend.

Fr Tod Umptious

thelad95 wrote: »

Perhaps holding out until after this round of games to guard against people not bothering purchasing the games knowing they'll all be available after this weekend.

Are they saying they will be available for free, or are they saying they will no longer showing the PPV games ?

There is a big difference.

JPA

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Are they saying they will be available for free, or are they saying they will no longer showing the PPV games ?

There is a big difference.

They will be back on Sky, BT etc.

thelad95

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Are they saying they will be available for free, or are they saying they will no longer showing the PPV games ?

There is a big difference.

They'll be part of the subscription that people already pay with potentially a few games on BBC like last time.

Mushy

thelad95 wrote: »

Perhaps holding out until after this round of games to guard against people not bothering purchasing the games knowing they'll all be available after this weekend.

I'd say they wont even announce it themselves. Theyll just appear on the non PPV channels as if nothing happened