Proposed overhaul of the English game

Hercule Poirot

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Particularly liked this bit

It probably amused them too tbf.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Parachute payments are such a ridiculous concept. It's like saying "we know the Premier League is a financial basket case and to enter it you will do deals that make absolutely no sense, so we'll prop you up for a few years". It rewards bad deals and failure. It again shows how divorced football finances are from sensible business decisions.

Good point.

quarryman

Liverpool motto:

"This means more"

Makes sense now.

Delighted this got shut down.

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Morrison J wrote: »

No holding back from Ian Holloway here. He's spot on too.

Holloway is an ass. The man blamed the EU for a handball rule he disliked. A strong Brexiteer and an idiot on the topic (blaming foreigners for laws of the game he disliked). Never liked him, have no respect for his opinion.

munstermagic11

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Holloway is an ass. The man blamed the EU for a handball rule he disliked. A strong Brexiteer and an idiot on the topic (blaming foreigners for laws of the game he disliked). Never liked him, have no respect for his opinion.

Some of the proponents of Operation Big Picture have raised millions for Donald Trump.

The White Wolf

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Particularly liked this bit

Sounds like that person has no place in business if they get that emotional over a proposal.

beggars_bush

quarryman wrote: »

Liverpool motto:

"This means more"

Makes sense now.

Delighted this got shut down.

Considering they've won one title in 30 years

Hercule Poirot

The White Wolf wrote: »

Sounds like that person has no place in business if they get that emotional over a proposal.

Demanding an apology for using a pandemic to try and grab a larger slice of power is emotional is it? Ok then, you carry on in your little bubble chap

Mitch Connor

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Demanding an apology for using a pandemic to try and grab a larger slice of power is emotional is it? Ok then, you carry on in your little bubble chap

The plan was being put together before covid, not as a response to it.

The White Wolf

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

Demanding an apology for using a pandemic to try and grab a larger slice of power is emotional is it? Ok then, you carry on in your little bubble chap

Will do chap.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The plan was being put together before covid, not as a response to it.

Is that an accepted fact or is that simply what they claimed?

I guess the problem with hatching plans in secret is that it's hard not to look suspicious afterwards.

And did Covid cause any change in the plan? It would be interesting to see if, for example, they looked at the pressure on clubs and decided they might take less.

Again, Liverpool's actions during the early days of the pandemic would suggest the owners are perfectly happy to exploit the downturn.

Fitz*

quarryman wrote: »

Liverpool motto:

"This means more"

Makes sense now.

Delighted this got shut down.

If by Liverpool you mean New Balance and by motto you mean advertising slogan.

Never pass up an opportunity to get a dig in though.

Hercule Poirot

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The plan was being put together before covid, not as a response to it.

Technically correct but this was the 18th draft of the plan and the one that was put forward - I very much doubt they sat on the plan since February

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

sabat wrote: »

What's the point in expanding the Champions League when it's already full of makeweights? Unless there's some long term secret plan to incorporate MLS teams...

They'd get absolutely hammered out the gate.

gimli2112

Deleted User wrote: »

Again, Liverpool's actions during the early days of the pandemic would suggest the owners are perfectly happy to exploit the downturn.

It's why John Henry (a fervent democrat btw) is a billionaire and we're all arguing about it on boards. This strategy is straight our of The Art of War. I have no doubt Henry is either relatively satisfied with the outcome or has flown a kite and has a better idea of what to do next.
This really has very little to do with Liverpool FC, it's more about the american businessmen that own it.

gimli2112

gimli2112 wrote: »

It's why John Henry (a fervent democrat btw) is a billionaire and we're all arguing about it on boards. This strategy is straight our of The Art of War. I have no doubt Henry is either relatively satisfied with the outcome or has flown a kite and has a better idea of what to do next.
This really has very little to do with Liverpool FC, it's more about the american businessmen that own it.

He was a Democrat, he also brought the white players of the Red Sox to meet Trump.

And if he read the Art of War, he'd know Chapter 1 Paragraph 1, headed...

Really, You're Going Into War With Ed Woodward?

gimli2112

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Harry Palmr

EFL have rejected the 50m buy off money from the Premier League. Not a surprise, they know the pressure is now on the moneybags clubs to do more.

Anyone who thinks the plan has failed isn't paying attention. In a year the governance of the game will be changing for a generation. It may not look like the published plan but it'll look quite different to what we know now.


www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/15/efl-clubs-to-reject-50m-premier-league-offer-and-demand-control-over-money-championship

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/15/fa-chairman-greg-clarke-involved-in-talks-proposing-premier-league-2-and-b-teams-project-big-picture

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/15/fans-want-independent-football-regulator-survey-for-david-bernstein-group-finds

Richard Hillman

It's like a handing a homeless man €5 but he says no and asks for a tenner. The PL clubs have absolutely zip obligation to the Championship/EFL Clubs. They will be completely unaffected by it bar the odd tirade from the Ian Holloways of the world.

Any club that will go bust will be forgotten about by the greater public after a couple of months. Bury, Macclesfield, Chester. There was outrage For week about the Premier League and then everybody started talking about hand balls and offsides again.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It's like a handing a homeless man €5 but he says no and asks for a tenner..

It was far from some act of charity that was cheekily refused.

It was a power grab, exploiting the present financial circumstances.

It wasn't even as if Liverpool and Man Utd were handing over their own money.

So it was more like saying to a homeless man, vote for my plans, I'll increase my power and ultimately the money I make, and the guy over there will give you an extra sandwich.

Richard Hillman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was far from some act of charity that was cheekily refused.

It was a power grab, exploiting the present financial circumstances.

It wasn't even as if Liverpool and Man Utd were handing over their own money.

So it was more like saying to a homeless man, vote for my plans, I'll increase my power and ultimately the money I make, and the guy over there will give you an extra sandwich.

I was talking about the Championship turning down 50 million. I think that was separate.

Agent Coulson

Gary Neville wants the FA to be replaced as it's not fit for purpose and wants the government to appoint an independent body.

Mitch Connor

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Gary Neville wants the FA to be replaced as it's not fit for purpose and wants the government to appoint an independent body.

cool, get the football hating government involved. that would be great.

gimli2112

making football a political pawn, a vote winner sotospeak is just unbelieveably dumb

Agent Coulson

It seems now that the FA chairman initiated the whole Project Big Picture by meeting with Chelsea chairman Peter Buck.

Buck then invited Woodward and Tom Werner who was replaced then by John W.

The FA Chairman then invited Rick Parry(EFL) and Richard Masters(PL)

So Man U and Liverpool who were blamed for the whole thing actually didn't initiate any of this at all.

Revealed: Greg Clarke's real role in controversial Project Big Picture talks
FA chairman initiated process and discussed breakaway threat
Suggested more big six money and was involved beyond spring

The Football Association chairman, Greg Clarke, is under increasing pressure to explain the accounts he has given about his role in the Project Big Picture proposals to reshape football, because of apparent inconsistencies with his actual degree of involvement.

Clarke set out his first, highly critical account in a public letter to the FA council on Tuesday 13 October, responding to the leak and publication of the plans in the Telegraph two days earlier. The proposals, to reserve key Premier League decisions to only nine “long term shareholder” clubs with six carrying a majority, reducing the Premier League to 18 clubs, more money for grassroots, and providing the EFL with 25% of joint Premier League and EFL net TV revenues, had been met with widespread denunciation. Clarke wrote that he had “participated in the early stages of discussions” then “discontinued his involvement” in late spring “when the principal aim of these discussions became the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of a few clubs with a breakaway league mooted as a threat”.


The FA told the Guardian this week that Clarke “terminated his Big Picture involvement in early May” and “the next event Greg Clarke was aware of with respect to Big Picture was when it was leaked to the Telegraph on Sunday 11 October, five months after he terminated their [sic] involvement”.

Clarke did not make clear in his letter that he had in fact initiated the whole process in January, meeting first with Bruce Buck, the Chelsea chairman. Buck then invited Ed Woodward, the Manchester United executive vice-chairman, then Tom Werner of Liverpool, who was soon replaced by the club’s majority owner, John Henry. Clarke invited Rick Parry, the EFL chairman, and Richard Masters, the Premier League chief executive, who declined to join the talks.

The FA chairman is understood to have attended all the meetings held by the group from February up to and including the final one, which was on 19 May, not early May. Clarke himself, the Guardian can reveal, raised talk of global or European club breakaways in a document he produced in March, saying that this threat, as well as the coronavirus crisis, “offers an opportunity to reshape English football”. In that document, Clarke was suggesting a compromise, which involved a Premier League of 20 clubs, and redistribution of more TV revenues to the big six.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/23/revealed-greg-clarke-real-role-in-controversial-project-big-picture-talks-fa-chairman