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FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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    #3392
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    He'll never be taken serious again.

    https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1243445899247960064?s=19


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    #3393
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    smurgen wrote: »
    He'll never be taken serious again.

    https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1243445899247960064?s=19

    Was he ever taken serious in the first place. He is taking a serious hammering tonight on twitter


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    #3394
    Ireland2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 214 ✭✭Ireland2020


    The lack of the usual defenders tonight show that they know its wrong, everybody. Knows its wrong

    The shambles of a performance by Eamon and that Govt TD on the Tonight Show sums it up

    U Turn next week on the cards, how many that now?


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    #3395
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Ireland2020 wrote: »
    The lack of the usual defenders tonight show that they know its wrong, everybody. Knows its wrong

    The shambles of a performance by Eamon and that Govt TD on the Tonight Show sums it up

    U Turn next week on the cards, how many that now    ?

    13 including Barry Cowens one away from a checkpoint cos he'd a bellyful of porter in him.


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    #3396
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Ireland2020 wrote: »
    The lack of the usual defenders tonight show that they know its wrong, everybody. Knows its wrong

    The shambles of a performance by Eamon and that Govt TD on the Tonight Show sums it up

    U Turn next week on the cards, how many that now?

    You only arrived in here yesterday, what do you know about usual defenders?


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    #3397
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Was he ever taken serious in the first place. He is taking a serious hammering tonight on twitter


    He is still on Twitter, unlike some others who ran away.


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    #3398
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,220 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    He is still on Twitter, unlike some others who ran away.

    Himself and Eoghan were locked away for the election campaign - too toxic. He'll be getting reigned sharpish...to bring down one government is bad enough but to bring down two would be unforgiveable. :)


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    #3399
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    He is still on Twitter, unlike some others who ran away.

    Did yer man Andrew Ralph ever appear back on Twitter blanch?

    https://twitter.com/ruillebuille/status/1261042828655788032?s=19


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    #3400
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Did yer man Andrew Ralph ever appear back on Twitter blanch?

    https://twitter.com/ruillebuille/status/1261042828655788032?s=19

    Was he an elected TD who ran away from social media when the focus turned on him?


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    #3401
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Was he an elected TD who ran away from social media when the focus turned on him?

    You never came back to earlier posts. Questions to be answered. Running away eh :)


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    #3402
    Ireland2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 214 ✭✭Ireland2020


    blanch152 wrote: »
    You only arrived in here yesterday, what do you know about usual defenders?

    It's only took a day.and can spot yas already. as your a green voter I'm surprised at you defence of all this

    Remember Leo said, he wants to look after the people who get up early

    I'm away to 'placement' as a student nurse here in St James

    You keep defending the lads who pay you to be here while they won't give us a penny

    They even leaked yas are at it


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    #3403
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    That ralph fella is some feckin clown and also employed by the great Regina Doherty at pieta. I'd have sacked him alone for those comments. FG are in a great place with people like him coming through the ranks. Right Wing Nutjobs, the lot of them


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    #3404
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    elefant wrote: »
    In this case, that student nurses getting paid means that qualified nurses must get nothing. These aren't competing interests.


    I know a few people on here struggle with maths but yes they are, everything is. It's called a budget, happens every year and I know SF supporters think the country has a magic money tree but we don't. The tax payer funds it all.

    Tax payers also fund the people sitting on the socail all day every day doing nothing but crying about the government and expecting a Christmas bonus.
    I did see a good post online, since everyone is so upset about this, cancel the Christmas bonus for the unemployed people, give the money to the student nurses.
    I hope the government does that, lets see the reaction then.


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    #3405
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    Ireland2020 wrote: »
    It's only took a day.and can spot yas already. as your a green voter I'm surprised at you defence of all this

    Remember Leo said, he wants to look after the people who get up early

    I'm away to 'placement' as a student nurse here in St James

    You keep defending the lads who pay you to be here while they won't give us a penny

    They even leaked yas are at it


    :p yes student nurse, what ward are you on?
    What do you think about moving the Christmas bonus from unemployed and giving it to help the student nurses then? balance the books.


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    #3406
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,220 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Solutionking wrote: »
    :p ye sstudent nurse
    What do you think about moving the Christmas bonus from unemployed and giving it to help the student nurses then? balance the books.

    What about politicians across the country (from local to top level) working every second month for free until the crisis is over? We are all in this together after all and I am sure they are embarrassed having to take their 3 pay rises (or how ever many it is now)


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    #3407
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What about politicians across the country (from local to top level) working every second month for free until the crisis is over? We are all in this together after all and I am sure they are embarrassed having to take their 3 pay rises (or how ever many it is now)


    Yes because TD's paying mortgages/childcare etc should go bankrupt while they are working around the clock. What the next great idea from the mob?
    Why do unempoyed need a christmas bonus? I am sure little Anto in Dublin can do without a scrambler bike this year.

    You don't seem to be concerned at all about SF TD's claiming dodgy expenses? I wonder why that is


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    #3408
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Solutionking wrote: »
    Yes because TD's paying mortgages/childcare etc should go bankrupt while they are working around the clock. What the next great idea from the mob?
    Why do unempoyed need a christmas bonus? I am sure little Anto in Dublin can do without a scrambler bike this year.

    You don't seem to be concerned at all about SF TD's claiming dodgy expenses? I wonder why that is

    The snobbery off this is astounding.you should be ashamed.


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    #3409
    votecounts
    Registered Users Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭votecounts


    Haven't read the whole thread, but is anyone actually defending not paying the nurses?


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    #3410
    Wanderer78
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    votecounts wrote:
    Haven't read the whole thread, but is anyone actually defending not paying the nurses?

    Oh I'm sure there's the odd ******** out there that is

    mod lets refrain from petty namecalling please.


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    #3411
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    votecounts wrote: »
    Haven't read the whole thread, but is anyone actually defending not paying the nurses?


    No most people including myself are saying to pay the nurses. Extra if possible
    The student nurses as the crisis is over then no unless we can find somewhere else in budget to pay for it.
    The Christmas bonus for unemployed seems a good place to find the monye


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    #3412
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,583 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Solutionking wrote:
    No most people including myself are saying to pay the nurses. Extra if possible The student nurses as the crisis is over then no unless we can find somewhere else in budget to pay for it. The Christmas bonus for unemployed seems a good place to find the monye

    Funnily enough, you 'll find most of the Christmas bonus, if not all of it, would be spent, which is good for the economy, no Christmas bonus would in fact be bad for it


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    #3413
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,220 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Solutionking wrote: »
    Yes because TD's paying mortgages/childcare etc should go bankrupt while they are working around the clock. What the next great idea from the mob?
    Why do unempoyed need a christmas bonus? I am sure little Anto in Dublin can do without a scrambler bike this year.

    You don't seem to be concerned at all about SF TD's claiming dodgy expenses? I wonder why that is

    As they say...give a man enough rope. :rolleyes:

    P.S. If ANYONE be it in SF or anyone else is claiming 'dodgy expenses' or is trying to fleece the system they should face whatever penalty when caught.


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    #3414
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,220 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Solutionking wrote: »
    No most people including myself are saying to pay the nurses. Extra if possible
    The student nurses as the crisis is over then no unless we can find somewhere else in budget to pay for it.
    The Christmas bonus for unemployed seems a good place to find the monye

    Have NPHET been told the 'crisis is over'?


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    #3415
    grayzer75
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭grayzer75


    Solutionking wrote: »
    No most people including myself are saying to pay the nurses. Extra if possible
    The student nurses as the crisis is over then no unless we can find somewhere else in budget to pay for it.
    The Christmas bonus for unemployed seems a good place to find the monye

    Really? when did the crisis end and if it did why are we still in lockdown?

    Why is Prof Philip Nolan predicting the R number to go up along with cases in January if the crisis is over?

    A good starting point to raise money for student nurse would've been TD's foregoing their three or so pay rises they got since the pandemic began - the optics of this do not look good at all and of course Dopey Ryan will do what his two bosses tell him to do.


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    #3416
    elefant
    Registered Users Posts: 4,669 ✭✭✭elefant


    Solutionking wrote: »
    I know a few people on here struggle with maths but yes they are, everything is. It's called a budget, happens every year and I know SF supporters think the country has a magic money tree but we don't. The tax payer funds it all.

    So, everything is a competing interest, and you have managed to reduce the entirety of Ireland's public expenditure down to Qualified Nurses vs Student Nurses. I'd be interested to know who you think Super Junior Ministers are competing against in their salary hunger games?

    And it seems you're insinuating it, but I'm very far from a Sinn Fein supporter. I don't see this as a party specific issue at all. I just strongly believe that student nurses are putting in massive amounts of work to keep the Irish health system functioning, and it's a shame that politicians will tweet their immense gratitude to them for political capital but won't back it up where it counts.


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    #3417
    Solutionking
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Funnily enough, you 'll find most of the Christmas bonus, if not all of it, would be spent, which is good for the economy, no Christmas bonus would in fact be bad for it

    I shouldn't bite but I will. So if you give the Christmas money to the student nurses it won't be spent, and won't be good for the economy? Maybe you could explain that one please


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    #3418
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,220 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Solutionking wrote: »
    I shouldn't bite but I will. So if you give the Christmas money to the student nurses it won't be spent, and won't be good for the economy? Maybe you could explain that one please

    A reasonable caring society in need of finding extra cash to share around would take it first from those who can afford it. TD's can afford it more than those in need of welfare.

    Why are you so determined to hit those least able to pay in order to pay those most in need and deserving?


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    #3419
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    elefant wrote: »
    So, everything is a competing interest, and you have managed to reduce the entirety of Ireland's public expenditure down to Qualified Nurses vs Student Nurses. I'd be interested to know who you think Super Junior Ministers are competing against in their salary hunger games?

    And it seems you're insinuating it, but I'm very far from a Sinn Fein supporter. I don't see this as a party specific issue at all. I just strongly believe that student nurses are putting in massive amounts of work to keep the Irish health system functioning, and it's a shame that politicians will tweet their immense gratitude to them for political capital but won't back it up where it counts.


    This saying always comes to me when I hear someone say they are not SF. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

    The student nurses got paid. Maybe you missed that bit. The numbers have gone from over 900 to less than 300. From a hospital point of view the crisis is over. I never said it might not return just it is over for now.

    Also I have not reduced public expenditure to anything. I am saying if the HSE does have extra money it should be invested into the nurses who are underpaid.

    I have no idea what the Junior minister have in this conversation, maybe you could explain.
    I have given an option to pay for the student nurses, how do you think they should be paid? or you going to shake the magic money tree? you do know how a budget works?


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    #3420
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Solutionking wrote: »
    I know a few people on here struggle with maths but yes they are, everything is. It's called a budget, happens every year and I know SF supporters think the country has a magic money tree but we don't. The tax payer funds it all.

    Tax payers also fund the people sitting on the socail all day every day doing nothing but crying about the government and expecting a Christmas bonus.
    I did see a good post online, since everyone is so upset about this, cancel the Christmas bonus for the unemployed people, give the money to the student nurses.
    I hope the government does that, lets see the reaction then.

    You have some neck going on about a magic money tree considering the way FG have behaved and that is not even talking about the money pit that is the most expensive hospital in the world. FG are as bad as any of the other parties in the Dail when it comes to budget, remember the 4 millon spin unit. FG have lost any reputation they may have had for being a financially responsible party and being a party of law and order.


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    #3421
    Solutionking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Solutionking


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A reasonable caring society in need of finding extra cash to share around would take it first from those who can afford it. TD's can afford it more than those in need of welfare.

    Why are you so determined to hit those least able to pay in order to pay those most in need and deserving?


    I am not hitting anyone mon amie. I am just aware a magic money tree is not available. So if everyone wants the student nurses to get paid then everyone digs deep. The Christmas bonus is not essential. People are still provided with social welfare. So use the budget for that to pay the nurses. Better to pay someone working and helping would you not think?

    How do you know what TD's can or can't afford? sure look at Violet Anne who robbed a charity and can't afford to pay it back.

    Or the TD in Dublin who had to get full expenses in the middle of a crisis when nobdoy could travel.


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