FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Second highest quality of life according to the UN!!!

Oh but the people living in poverty, all used from a ridiculous set of criteria like not been able to eat out every 2 weeks!!

Give me a break FFS

Same sources.

My point is good an all that is it isn't the full story.

Your point seems to be 'Poverty? Nothing to see here'.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

I'm not sure on the liking work part, but the government 100% are giving money to the 1 in 6 households who are not working. Many conveniently forget that or downplay it when it suits them.

You are avoiding the point.
How many are people who decided not to work? Does the government give money to people who don't want to work?
It always gets shunted on to a minute number of grifters ignoring the working tax payers forced to depend on welfare.

Jinglejangle69

PearseCork92 wrote: »

Oh I'm so offended by your video!!

Typical go to for defenders of wasters.

You're a tory!!!

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

You are avoiding the point.
How many are people who decided not to work? Does the government give money to people who don't want to work?
It always gets shunted on to a minute number of grifters ignoring the working tax payers forced to depend on welfare.

I'm ignoring nothing, we have 1 in 6 households jobless, colossal by anyone's standards. We usually don't hear much about that from those who claim to be worried about the taxpayer.

PearseCork92

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Oh I'm so offended by your video!!

Typical go to for defenders of wasters.

You're a tory!!!

You seem out of sorts. U ok hun?

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A friend of mine,left her abusive husband with 3 kids,when he stabbed her,after 3 years of escalting abuse (was reason,wasnt online last few weeks,helping sort this)....catch a hold of yourself



I know plenty of people,who have had to move home this year....the country is fcuked,it cant provide a future for its youth,all the puff nonsense pushed isnt going to coverup the sh1thole situation of housing crisis....blaming magereet cash,for mates (both teachers) having to move home is a joke,from a jokeshop of a government

Do people genuinely not realise,people cant afford rent

People in every country in the world can't afford rent.

I hope your friend gets the help she needs and DESERVES, if only people like Maggie Cash didn't pull publicity stunts and gets bumped up housing lists then your friend who deserves a house would have one.

Just remember SF marched Maggie out on a protest and were behind her crusade.

Embarrassing at the minimum.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

I'm ignoring nothing, we have 1 in 6 households jobless, colossal by anyone's standards. We usually don't hear much about that from those who claim to be worried about the taxpayer.

Well make that point. It's not related to mine.
Blanch made another false claim that I don't acknowledge that we are dependent on welfare. Many certainly are. Many working tax payers. I've said before the country would probably collapse if not for state hand outs in one form or another (pre-Covid).

Jinglejangle69

PearseCork92 wrote: »

You seem out of sorts. U ok hun?

PM u.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

People in every country in the world can't afford rent.

I hope your friend gets the help she needs and DESERVES, if only people like Maggie Cash didn't pull publicity stunts and gets bumped up housing lists then your friend who deserves a house would have one.

Just remember SF marched Maggie out on a protest and were behind her crusade.

Embarrassing at the minimum.

Who gave her her 4 bedroom house?

Jinglejangle69

Bowie wrote: »

Who gave her her 4 bedroom house?

DCC I presume when the majority of DCC were Sinn Féin.

Bubbaclaus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

...the out-of-control suicide situation...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/suicide-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-in-20-years-1.4006869

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

Well make that point. It's not related to mine.
Blanch made another false claim that I don't acknowledge that we are dependent on welfare. Many certainly are. Many working tax payers. I've said before the country would probably collapse if not for state hand outs in one form or another (pre-Covid).

Its absolutely related, its very reasonable to assume some of the colossal number of jobless households don't want to work.

We've been down this road before, you had a nonsensical argument that the economy would collapse if not for welfare, when the source of that welfare is the very same economy.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

DCC I presume when the majority of DCC were Sinn Féin.

No they weren't.

McMurphy

a very cool kid wrote: »

I for one can't wait for Sinn Féin to get into power down here and build 60,000 social houses for everyone in 5 years.

I love it when (and to be fair here, this poster isn't the first) someone comes into a thread guffawing about this 60k housing plan, obviously oblivious that FG are planning the same.

60,000 social housing units to be built by 2025 under Fine Gael plan

christy c

McMurphy wrote: »

I love it when (and to be fair here, this poster isn't the first) someone comes into a thread guffawing about this 60k housing plan, obviously oblivious that FG are planning the same.

60,000 social housing units to be built by 2025 under Fine Gael plan

Exactly, and they are still called "right wing".

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

Its absolutely related, its very reasonable to assume some of the colossal number of jobless households don't want to work.

We've been down this road before, you had a nonsensical argument that the economy would collapse if not for welfare, when the source of that welfare is the very same economy.

Here we go...
So you weren't looking to discuss you were working towards shifting the topic. You wanted to get a dig in because I'm besmirching the best of a bad lot.
I've no interest in speaking on people who game the system. Anytime we mention poverty or people dependent on welfare it gets dragged onto this. Valid, it happens in all walks but it avoids the fact that working people are dependent on state aid.
The economy doing well does not automatically mean society is doing well.
The economy was doing well when we were having record numbers of homeless children year on year.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

Exactly, and they are still called "right wing".

They are when they are being leased, rented and bought off private companies.

McMurphy

christy c wrote: »

Exactly, and they are still called "right wing".

What's left/right got to do with the price of fish christy? Point made was others laughing at one partys plan to build more social housing, while seemingly oblivious that the others are planning it too.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

Here we go...
So you weren't looking to discuss you were working towards shifting the topic. You wanted to get a dig in because I'm besmirching the best of a bad lot.
I've no interest in speaking on people who game the system. Anytime we mention poverty or people dependent on welfare it gets dragged onto this. Valid, it happens in all walks but it avoids the fact that working people are dependent on state aid.
The economy doing well does not automatically mean society is doing well.
The economy was doing well when we were having record numbers of homeless children year on year.

No I made a comment when you mentioned those who don't like to work, and expanded it to the colossal number that don't actually work. That's a problem no matter what way you look at it.

You then expanded to welfare propping up the economy, and I explained our previous interactions on the topic.

christy c

McMurphy wrote: »

What's left/right got to do with the price of fish christy? Point made was others laughing at one partys plan to build more social housing, while seemingly oblivious that the others are planning it too.

Yeah I'm agreeing they were all planning huge number of houses. A follow on point is that is not right wing.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

They are when they are being leased, rented and bought off private companies.

Right wing wouldn't involve providing housing of any description IMO, regardless of source

a very cool kid

McMurphy wrote: »

I love it when (and to be fair here, this poster isn't the first) someone comes into a thread guffawing about this 60k housing plan, obviously oblivious that FG are planning the same.

60,000 social housing units to be built by 2025 under Fine Gael plan

Well they clearly haven't done it - I expect SF to deliver when they get into power.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

No I made a comment when you mentioned those who don't like to work, and expanded it to the colossal number that don't actually work. That's a problem no matter what way you look at it.

You then expanded to welfare propping up the economy, and I explained our previous interactions on the topic.

Blanch said I wouldn't acknowledge we are dependent on welfare. I corrected him. My point was the economy doing well doesn't mean we all automatically do well.
You came in with this:

christy c wrote: »

I'm not sure on the liking work part, but the government 100% are giving money to the 1 in 6 households who are not working. Many conveniently forget that or downplay it when it suits them.

The government pay welfare to people they deem are due welfare. We are not dependent on welfare because of people who decide not to work. We have many working people who need avail of assistance.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

Right wing wouldn't involve providing housing of any description IMO, regardless of source

If the profits are going to private concerns a housing crisis can be a very profitable thing.
They'd lose money if we built our own social. That's likely why FG wouldn't in any sizable amount.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

Blanch said I wouldn't acknowledge we are dependent on welfare. I corrected him. My point was the economy doing well doesn't mean we all automatically do well.
You came in with this:



The government pay welfare to people they deem are due welfare. We are not dependent on welfare because of people who decide not to work. We have many working people who need avail of assistance.

I'm aware of what I said. I agree, some working people are dependent on welfare, as are the jobless households. Agreed?

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

If the profits are going to private concerns a housing crisis can be a very profitable thing.

Sure can, still not a right wing policy to provide state housing to people IMO

McMurphy

a very cool kid wrote: »

Well they clearly haven't done it - I expect SF to deliver when they get into power.

You presumably can read right?

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

Sure can, still not a right wing policy to provide state housing to people IMO

It is if your cronies are making a fortune off of it. They basically part created, certainly exacerbated a housing crisis and these companies and individuals are making a killing while it got worse and worse for nearly a decade. Smells like right wing to me.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

They'd lose money if we built our own social. That's likely why FG wouldn't in any sizable amount.

Missed this edit, buying/leasing/building social housing is still not right wing IMO.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

I'm aware of what I said. I agree, some working people are dependent on welfare, as are the jobless households. Agreed?

Sure. Not what I was discussing but yes.