FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

dundalkfc10

Nobotty wrote: »

Well how come Mary Lou is on radio one now,refusing to answer Dobson on whether level 5 is warranted
Is she a gobsh1te too?
No she isn't
She's reflecting how difficult this decision is and you should too
I think now its inevitable that the government will do national level 5 and that I think is going to be the start of a yo yo unless people change and they won't

Mess Mess Mess

Mary Lou has stated PUP payments etc need to be brought back up and business supports increased before we can go Level 5.

I thinks she is wrong on not wanting to go to Level 5 or saying it shouldnt happen 2 weeks ago. See I wont just defend her on everything like FG/FF fanboys and girls do with MM and LV.

The fact is Mary Lou never made the decisions, The Govt did. We were told on here 2 weeks ago, time will tell if they made the right choice

The made the wrong choice.

They rejected Level 5 for 3 weeks two weeks ago so we are now facing Level 5 for 6+ Weeks.

Thats on the GOVT

Truthvader

Nobotty wrote: »

Well how come Mary Lou is on radio one now,refusing to answer Dobson on whether level 5 is warranted
Is she a gobsh1te too?
No she isn't
She's reflecting how difficult this decision is and you should too
I think now its inevitable that the government will do national level 5 and that I think is going to be the start of a yo yo unless people change and they won't

Mess Mess Mess

Why does anyone ask this stupid self serving woman anything?

"Oh wait let me see.....may I just say first .... Oh God what would be the most popular response... oh hang on- can't be seen to agree with Leo....Ehh Umm..... iI think it behoves us all to ...em .... do the right thing but I am not convinced ...OH THATS IT! I don't have access to the data so I couldn't be expected to decide anything. Perfect.

blanch152

Nobotty wrote: »

Well how come Mary Lou is on radio one now,refusing to answer Dobson on whether level 5 is warranted
Is she a gobsh1te too?
No she isn't
She's reflecting how difficult this decision is and you should too
I think now its inevitable that the government will do national level 5 and that I think is going to be the start of a yo yo unless people change and they won't

Mess Mess Mess

Nah, she is just sitting on the fence.

If the government go for Level 5, she will criticise them for closing the economy and ruining jobs.

If the government don't go for Level 5, she will criticise them for letting people die.

Opposition for opposition's sake.

PommieBast

smurgen wrote: »

What's an acceptable daily death level to you to keep the country open?

What is an acceptable suicide rate for people who have had their lives/livelihoods wrecked?

Of course I don't know the answer...

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Nah, she is just sitting on the fence.

If the government go for Level 5, she will criticise them for closing the economy and ruining jobs.

If the government don't go for Level 5, she will criticise them for letting people die.

Opposition for opposition's sake.

Or Leo spin spin spin. Leo and Simon done well on the virus we were told non stop until they didn't then it was all our fault and up to us as individuals. Strong and stable lol.

Nobotty

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Mary Lou has stated PUP payments etc need to be brought back up and business supports increased before we can go Level 5.

I thinks she is wrong on not wanting to go to Level 5 or saying it shouldnt happen 2 weeks ago. See I wont just defend her on everything like FG/FF fanboys and girls do with MM and LV.

The fact is Mary Lou never made the decisions, The Govt did. We were told on here 2 weeks ago, time will tell if they made the right choice

The made the wrong choice.

They rejected Level 5 for 3 weeks two weeks ago so we are now facing Level 5 for 6+ Weeks.

Thats on the GOVT

I'm in agreement with you on the pup etc
But can't understand why you're in disagreement with Mary Lou on the level 5
I'd say level 5 for 60 weeks would be more appropriate to put manners on some people but we'd be like Haiti when we're done

smurgen

Where is his last evidence for any of this? When the 5 levels of pandemic guidelines were published it seems they missed the * disclaimer of subject to Varadkar approval. I would like to see Varadkar's data driving the decision to reject NPHETS data.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1317077293693624322?s=19

dundalkfc10

Alan Farrell Fine Gael TD has just tweeted

"It appears that NHEPT are briefing the media again ahead of its primary fucntion of advising Cabinet causing speculation and worry.

If this leaking continues questions must be asked as to whether or not the body is fit for purpose in its current form"

Fantastic another Govt TD having a cheap and needless dig at NHEPT. Just what we need or is this the Govt stance still, NHEPT advice = No use anymore?

Truthvader

smurgen wrote: »

Or Leo spin spin spin. Leo and Simon done well on the virus we were told non stop until they didn't then it was all our fault and up to us as individuals. Strong and stable lol.

Yeah because every other Country in the world has totally beaten covid; we obviously haven't because Leo and Simon er....... something........anyway it's their fault because their FG - nearly English so it must be their fault

Kowerski

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Alan Farrell Fine Gael TD has just tweeted

"It appears that NHEPT are briefing the media again ahead of its primary fucntion of advising Cabinet causing speculation and worry.

If this leaking continues questions must be asked as to whether or not the body is fit for purpose in its current form"

Fantastic another Govt TD having a cheap and needless dig at NHEPT. Just what we need or is this the Govt stance still, NHEPT advice = No use anymore?

Regardless of which party is in power, NHEPT job is to brief the government, not RTE. This is only adding to the confusion for the entire country.

You seem to be a Sinn Fein supporter, would you support NHEPT going straight to the press if Sinn Fein was in power?

Truthvader

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah because every other Country in the world has totally beaten covid; we obviously haven't because Leo and Simon er....... something........anyway it's their fault because their FG - nearly English so it must be their fault

You forgot the blue shirted sheeples.

JohnnyFlash

Kowerski wrote: »

Regardless of which party is in power, NHEPT job is to brief the government, not RTE. This is only adding to the confusion for the entire country.

You seem to be a Sinn Fein supporter, would you support NHEPT going straight to the press if Sinn Fein was in power?

They’d have to run it past Ted Howell, Gerry Kelly, Gerry Adams first.

smurgen

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

They’d have to run it past Ted Howell, Gerry Kelly, Gerry Adams first.

Nothing to do with this thread.

smurgen

Truthvader wrote: »

Yeah because every other Country in the world has totally beaten covid; we obviously haven't because Leo and Simon er....... something........anyway it's their fault because their FG - nearly English so it must be their fault

Looks fairly beaten in New Zealand last weekend.

https://twitter.com/AdvKiwi/status/1316965959484276738?s=19

smurgen

Kowerski wrote: »

Regardless of which party is in power, NHEPT job is to brief the government, not RTE. This is only adding to the confusion for the entire country.

You seem to be a Sinn Fein supporter, would you support NHEPT going straight to the press if Sinn Fein was in power?

They should brief both government and the public. I know FFG hate transparency but when there's a pandemic that needs public buy in to supress it getting second hand information from slimey politicians isn't going to work.

Kowerski

smurgen wrote: »

Looks fairly beaten in New Zealand last weekend.

https://twitter.com/AdvKiwi/status/1316965959484276738?s=19

One country, out of 195. Does that not suggest the other 194 are having the exact same issues Ireland is having?

dundalkfc10

Kowerski wrote: »

Regardless of which party is in power, NHEPT job is to brief the government, not RTE. This is only adding to the confusion for the entire country.

You seem to be a Sinn Fein supporter, would you support NHEPT going straight to the press if Sinn Fein was in power?

In the current situation where the Govt have ignored NHEPTs advice 2 weeks ago (going 1 further with Leo attacking Dr Tony and NHEPT), NHEPT feel the need to let the public know their views so the puplic can make their minds up as the Govt are not good at getting things out in a clear message

Nobotty

****s sake Smurgen
New Zealand is an island 2000 miles from the nearest land mass which is also a closed continent country and you know Damn well that the DUP veto any closure of the GB North border

dundalkfc10

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

They’d have to run it past Ted Howell, Gerry Kelly, Gerry Adams first.

Sinn Fein in the membrane, Sinn Fein on the brain

Kowerski

smurgen wrote: »

They should brief both government and the public. I know FFG hate transparency but when there's a pandemic that needs public buy in to supress it getting second hand information from slimey politicians isn't going to work.

So you think mass confusion is the best policy in the middle of a pandemic?

Can you find another country in the World, which has the equivalent of NHEPT doing a solo run on announcement without involving the government?

Truthvader

Deleted User wrote: »

You forgot the blue shirted sheeples.

And our old friend "partition"

smurgen

Kowerski wrote: »

One country, out of 195. Does that not suggest the other 194 are having the exact same issues Ireland is having?

Arw Vietnam and Australia facing a nationwide lockdown also? You're saying all other 194 are facing extended nationwide lockdowns? Is that right?

smurgen

Truthvader wrote: »

And our old friend "partition"

When and how often did FFG contact boris johnson for a coordinated approach? Not getting the coordinated approach is a political failure.

Kowerski

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

In the current situation where the Govt have ignored NHEPTs advice 2 weeks ago (going 1 further with Leo attacking Dr Tony and NHEPT), NHEPT feel the need to let the public know their views so the puplic can make their minds up as the Govt are not good at getting things out in a clear message

From my recollection majority of the other parties agreed with the government decision.

Kowerski

smurgen wrote: »

Arw Vietnam and Australia facing a nationwide lockdown also? You're saying all other 194 are facing extended nationwide lockdowns? Is that right?

How is Timbuktu getting on?

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe if you actually read the post I’m replying to, you’ll understand my response.

I did. it's about people risking covid to shop. Your response suggests leaving things open or shut doesn't matter, it's, as you've said before, down to personal responsibility.

So again, do you feel everything should be opened and all left up to personal responsibility?
you seem to be saying what is or isn't open doesn't come into it.

Maybe answer my question and clarify?

smurgen

Nobotty wrote: »

****s sake Smurgen
New Zealand is an island 2000 miles from the nearest land mass which is also a closed continent country and you know Damn well that the DUP veto any closure of the GB North border

Australia is more connected than ireland. Sydney airport for example has a much higher volume of passengers than Dublin airport. 904 deaths for a 27 million people while we have 1838 for 4.9 million people.

Nobotty

Kowerski wrote: »

So you think mass confusion is the best policy in the middle of a pandemic?

Can you find another country in the World, which has the equivalent of NHEPT doing a solo run on announcement without involving the government?

Actually France to be fair
Their Scientific council is the equivalent of Nphet
And like Dr Peter Navarro of WHO,they are in favour of localised measures exactly like what this government and all the opposition bar the anarchists in pbp favour
Lockdown is only a last resort measure, not to be taken out willy nilly

He goes on to say that he doesn’t believe reinstating a general lockdown is necessary, it would only be as a last resort, however, putting in place localized measures would be preferable where infection numbers are higher, for example in the south of France, where several clusters have been reported.

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200910-french-scientific-council-says-tough-decisions-needed-amid-rise-in-covid-cases-limit-on-social-gatherings-health

Nobotty

smurgen wrote: »

Australia is more connected than ireland. Sydney airport for example has a much higher volume of passengers than Dublin airport. 904 deaths for a 27 million people while we have 1838 for 4.9 million people.

I see does it have a DUP ?

smurgen

Kowerski wrote: »

How is Timbuktu getting on?

What do you mean?