FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

spacet

Bishop of hope wrote: »

They went through an election and ended up back in govt, who screwed up there?

Didn't Leo recently say he should have waited until April (mid pandemic bounce in popularity) to call the election? That was a screw up for him.............because he is a weird f*cking sociopath.

smurgen

Goes to show the limitations of the endless spin. People are sick of the FFG gaslighting and endless lies. The student nurse pay and vote on child poverty showed the public they cannot be trusted. The are all on borrowed time and no shrieking and moaning at the opposion will save them.

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Government should be considering introducing legislation once enough vaccine has rolled out across the country to tap into this, get cash flowing back around the parts of the economy that have been badly affected by covid:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/household-savings-remain-at-extraordinary-level-39879886.html

Perhaps something similar to the stay and spend scheme with some sort of incentive for buying local/Irish.

I think they are fractured and not capable. Its every man/party for itself.

James Brown

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Paul Murphy has zero interest in going into government. Much easier shout from the opposition benches. The TDs of the left cannot agree on anything other than forming a group in the Dail and making as much noise as possible. They fight amongst themselves and break away to form another pointless “Party”.

Thats the usual blarney SF and PBP and pretty much everyone gets. Its tired and scripted.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

They went through an election and ended up back in govt, who screwed up there?

The FG party membership, the FF party membership and the Greens.

Also a bunch of them screwed up while in government...

Cluedo Monopoly

spacet wrote: »

Didn't Leo recently say he should have waited until April (mid pandemic bounce in popularity) to call the election? That was a screw up for him.............because he is a weird f*cking sociopath.

He had no choice. Bailey was bringing down the government. She would not support the Harris no confidence vote.
It cost them a hell of a lot of a seats on Feb 8th. Hard to get those back. You reap what you sow.

The Greens have been a disaster in government. Rudderless, divided, uncoordinated, ignored. Ireland needs a strong green party but they will get mauled in the next GE.

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

Thats the usual blarney SF and PBP and pretty much everyone gets. Its tired and scripted.

Should be easily addressed so?

jelem

the Greens have proven beyond doubt they are not green as environment etc.
just like the support by labour for a government It is for a large wage packet and nothing else.
on topic of broadband they fail in fairness to citizens and even as transport oh yes top man
yet break eu legislation and law with citizens suffering "but its not their fault".
they should not have supported FF and FG as they have no power to do or change anything
except aid "bus corridors" on fake remove car story line and force citizens to pay for overpriced electric cars that
have a larger environmental footprint than what we have already ========== a little what they dont tell you and GREENS
cannot counter hence fake party.
with thanks to those whom inform

The SECRET DARK SIDE of renewable electricity the press is hiding from you
Daily Fodder Team - May 18, 2020

The “Praise the Lord” (PTL) empire that preacher Jim Bakker built with wife Tammy crumbled thirty years ago. Today, it seems like we’re being mesmerized again in the press and social media with the rhetoric about dispensing with the thousands of products from petroleum derivatives so we can save the world from human destruction by switching to industrial wind and solar generated electricity.

Everyone knows that electricity is used extensively in residential, commercial, transportation, and the military, to power motors and lite the lights and make all our medications and medical equipment. But it’s the thousands of products that get manufactured from crude oil that are used to “make” those motors, lights, medications and electronics.

We’ve had almost 200 years to develop clones or generics to replace the products demanded by society that we get from crude oil. The social needs of our materialistic societies are most likely going to remain for the products that have become part of our daily lifestyles, and for continuous uninterruptable electricity, not just intermittent electricity from wind and solar.

Despite the preaching about these renewable saviors, it’s becoming obvious that due to their intermittency and unreliability, and their inability to replace any of the derivatives from petroleum that account for the all the products in our daily lives, societies around the world may not be too thrilled about needed social changes to live on just electricity.

Electricity is one of those products that came AFTER the discovery of oil. All the mineral products and metals needed to make wind turbines and solar panels rely on worldwide mining and transportation equipment that are made with the products from fossil fuels and powered by the fuels manufactured from crude oil.

A single electric-car battery weighs about 1,000 pounds. Fabricating one requires digging up, moving and processing more 500,000 pounds of raw materials somewhere on the planet. Never discussed by the GND or Paris Accord sponsors are the questionable and non-transparent labor conditions and loose, or non-existing, environmental regulations at the mining sites around the world for the products and metals required for renewables. To meet the goals to go “green” will most likely cause a rare earth emergency as those “green” goals require a massive worldwide increase in mining for lithium, cobalt, copper, iron, aluminum, and numerous other raw materials such as.

A list of the sixteen components needed to build wind turbines are: Aggregates and Crushed Stone (for concrete), Bauxite (aluminum, Clay and Shale (for cement), Coal, Cobalt (magnets), Copper (wiring), Gypsum (for cement), Iron ore (steel), Limestone, Molybdenum (alloy in steel), Rare Earths (magnets; batteries), Sand and Gravel (for cement and concrete), and Zinc (galvanizing).

A list of the seventeen components needed to build solar panels are: Arsenic (gallium-arsenide semiconductor chips), Bauxite (aluminum), Boron Minerals, Cadmium (thin film solar cells), Coal (by-product coke is used to make steel), Copper (wiring; thin film solar cells), Gallium (solar cells), Indium (solar cells), Iron ore (steel), Molybdenum (photovoltaic cells), Lead (batteries), Phosphate rock (phosphorous), Selenium (solar cells), Silica (solar cells), Silver (solar cells), Tellurium (solar cells), and Titanium dioxide (solar panels).

The origins of the products for wind and solar are mined throughout the world, inclusive of more than 60 countries of Algeria, Arabia, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Congo (Kinshasa), Cuba, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Guinea, Guyana, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, New Caledonia, Oman, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Republic of Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United States, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Vietnam, Western Sahara, and Zambia.

The signatories to the Green New Deal (GND) and Paris Accord, to sunset the fossil fuels industry for a world surviving on renewable electricity would also sunset its own renewable industry that’s supposed to be the salvation for the world, as there would be no components to build the turbines and panels!

All mining and processing activities to get the iron ore and other metals that go into turbine manufacturing, transporting the huge blade beasts to the sites, and decommissioning them, are all energy intensive activities that rely on fossil fuels and the products from crude oil and leave difficult wastes behind to dispose of during decommissioning.

The useful life of wind turbines is limited, generally from 15 to 20 years, but none of the decommissioning plans are public. Mining projects, oil production sites, and nuclear generation sites are required to provide for decommissioning and restoration details down to the last dandelion. Would governments and greenies allow a decommissioned mine, oil or nuclear site similar latitudes given to renewable sites?

We can be preached to forever about “clean electricity” messages, and bedazzle farmers with the prospects of on-going revenue from renewables. However, the extensive mining worldwide for materials for millions of wind turbines and solar panels, and the decommissioning and restoration details, and the social changes that would be necessitated for societies to live without the thousands of products from petroleum derivatives remain the dark side of the unspoken realities of renewables.

The dark side of renewable wind, solar and biofuel energy is that they are not clean, green, renewable or sustainable, and they are horrifically destructive to vital ecological values that will last for generations to come.

===
Ron Stein is an engineer who, drawing upon 25 years of project management and business development experience, launched PTS Advance in 1995. He is an author, engineer, and energy expert who writes frequently on issues of energy and economics.

Bubbaclaus

jelem wrote: »

the Greens have proven beyond doubt they are not green as environment etc.
just like the support by labour for a government It is for a large wage packet and nothing else.
on topic of broadband they fail in fairness to citizens and even as transport oh yes top man
yet break eu legislation and law with citizens suffering "but its not their fault".
they should not have supported FF and FG as they have no power to do or change anything
except aid "bus corridors" on fake remove car story line and force citizens to pay for overpriced electric cars that
have a larger environmental footprint than what we have already ========== a little what they dont tell you and GREENS
cannot counter hence fake party.
with thanks to those whom inform

The SECRET DARK SIDE of renewable electricity the press is hiding from you
Daily Fodder Team - May 18, 2020

The “Praise the Lord” (PTL) empire that preacher Jim Bakker built with wife Tammy crumbled thirty years ago. Today, it seems like we’re being mesmerized again in the press and social media with the rhetoric about dispensing with the thousands of products from petroleum derivatives so we can save the world from human destruction by switching to industrial wind and solar generated electricity.

Everyone knows that electricity is used extensively in residential, commercial, transportation, and the military, to power motors and lite the lights and make all our medications and medical equipment. But it’s the thousands of products that get manufactured from crude oil that are used to “make” those motors, lights, medications and electronics.

We’ve had almost 200 years to develop clones or generics to replace the products demanded by society that we get from crude oil. The social needs of our materialistic societies are most likely going to remain for the products that have become part of our daily lifestyles, and for continuous uninterruptable electricity, not just intermittent electricity from wind and solar.

Despite the preaching about these renewable saviors, it’s becoming obvious that due to their intermittency and unreliability, and their inability to replace any of the derivatives from petroleum that account for the all the products in our daily lives, societies around the world may not be too thrilled about needed social changes to live on just electricity.

Electricity is one of those products that came AFTER the discovery of oil. All the mineral products and metals needed to make wind turbines and solar panels rely on worldwide mining and transportation equipment that are made with the products from fossil fuels and powered by the fuels manufactured from crude oil.

A single electric-car battery weighs about 1,000 pounds. Fabricating one requires digging up, moving and processing more 500,000 pounds of raw materials somewhere on the planet. Never discussed by the GND or Paris Accord sponsors are the questionable and non-transparent labor conditions and loose, or non-existing, environmental regulations at the mining sites around the world for the products and metals required for renewables. To meet the goals to go “green” will most likely cause a rare earth emergency as those “green” goals require a massive worldwide increase in mining for lithium, cobalt, copper, iron, aluminum, and numerous other raw materials such as.

A list of the sixteen components needed to build wind turbines are: Aggregates and Crushed Stone (for concrete), Bauxite (aluminum, Clay and Shale (for cement), Coal, Cobalt (magnets), Copper (wiring), Gypsum (for cement), Iron ore (steel), Limestone, Molybdenum (alloy in steel), Rare Earths (magnets; batteries), Sand and Gravel (for cement and concrete), and Zinc (galvanizing).

A list of the seventeen components needed to build solar panels are: Arsenic (gallium-arsenide semiconductor chips), Bauxite (aluminum), Boron Minerals, Cadmium (thin film solar cells), Coal (by-product coke is used to make steel), Copper (wiring; thin film solar cells), Gallium (solar cells), Indium (solar cells), Iron ore (steel), Molybdenum (photovoltaic cells), Lead (batteries), Phosphate rock (phosphorous), Selenium (solar cells), Silica (solar cells), Silver (solar cells), Tellurium (solar cells), and Titanium dioxide (solar panels).

The origins of the products for wind and solar are mined throughout the world, inclusive of more than 60 countries of Algeria, Arabia, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Congo (Kinshasa), Cuba, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Guinea, Guyana, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, New Caledonia, Oman, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Republic of Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United States, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Vietnam, Western Sahara, and Zambia.

The signatories to the Green New Deal (GND) and Paris Accord, to sunset the fossil fuels industry for a world surviving on renewable electricity would also sunset its own renewable industry that’s supposed to be the salvation for the world, as there would be no components to build the turbines and panels!

All mining and processing activities to get the iron ore and other metals that go into turbine manufacturing, transporting the huge blade beasts to the sites, and decommissioning them, are all energy intensive activities that rely on fossil fuels and the products from crude oil and leave difficult wastes behind to dispose of during decommissioning.

The useful life of wind turbines is limited, generally from 15 to 20 years, but none of the decommissioning plans are public. Mining projects, oil production sites, and nuclear generation sites are required to provide for decommissioning and restoration details down to the last dandelion. Would governments and greenies allow a decommissioned mine, oil or nuclear site similar latitudes given to renewable sites?

We can be preached to forever about “clean electricity” messages, and bedazzle farmers with the prospects of on-going revenue from renewables. However, the extensive mining worldwide for materials for millions of wind turbines and solar panels, and the decommissioning and restoration details, and the social changes that would be necessitated for societies to live without the thousands of products from petroleum derivatives remain the dark side of the unspoken realities of renewables.

The dark side of renewable wind, solar and biofuel energy is that they are not clean, green, renewable or sustainable, and they are horrifically destructive to vital ecological values that will last for generations to come.

===
Ron Stein is an engineer who, drawing upon 25 years of project management and business development experience, launched PTS Advance in 1995. He is an author, engineer, and energy expert who writes frequently on issues of energy and economics.

The initial part of your poster is illegible, and then you block quote the Daily Fodder, which to this day I'm still trying to figure out if it is a satire news source like Waterford Whispers or something closer to the Jim Corr line of thinking.

Bubbaclaus

Looks like they may be bringing in a 48 hour temporary travel ban, until cabinet meets on Tuesday to reassess the situation.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-government-considers-48-hour-travel-ban-from-britain-with-likely-extension-1.4442011?mode=amp

beggars_bush

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Looks like they may be bringing in a 48 hour temporary travel ban, until cabinet meets on Tuesday to reassess the situation.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-government-considers-48-hour-travel-ban-from-britain-with-likely-extension-1.4442011?mode=amp

Afraid to make a decision

jelem

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The initial part of your poster is illegible, and then you block quote the Daily Fodder, which to this day I'm still trying to figure out if it is a satire news source like Waterford Whispers or something closer to the Jim Corr line of thinking.

its not rte or irish times and as such if you are questioning a source rather than the content
and the greens whom support the forced fake move to expensive electric cars etc..
there are amny whom have no idea what is required and if the details behind fake "green"
bear their shouts for change which is just from one source of harm to a new money making
way for the few.
better you question why tax and duties levied on solar panels etc. when government and
greens want you to go green== of course if you look at the figurs the companies are seeing
growing profits.
stock piles of new but unsold cars in europe due to citizens not having money to buy them
this is another fail by government\s whom have raced to the bottom for profit whilst reducing
earnings for citizens.
it is just another path to avoid liability for their incompetance and lets go green and force
new industry with new profits.

Bubbaclaus

jelem wrote: »

its not rte or irish times and as such if you are questioning a source rather than the content
and the greens whom support the forced fake move to expensive electric cars etc..
there are amny whom have no idea what is required and if the details behind fake "green"
bear their shouts for change which is just from one source of harm to a new money making
way for the few.
better you question why tax and duties levied on solar panels etc. when government and
greens want you to go green== of course if you look at the figurs the companies are seeing
growing profits.
stock piles of new but unsold cars in europe due to citizens not having money to buy them
this is another fail by government\s whom have raced to the bottom for profit whilst reducing
earnings for citizens.
it is just another path to avoid liability for their incompetance and lets go green and force
new industry with new profits.

Have you seen what other "news" the daily fodder reports on?

Is it really that surprising that a US far right news source that doesn't believe in climate change would have a negative article about renewable energy?

Bubbaclaus

beggars_bush wrote: »

Afraid to make a decision

Not sure what you mean, it looks like they have and will be announcing it shortly.

ExMachina1000

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Looks like they may be bringing in a 48 hour temporary travel ban, until cabinet meets on Tuesday to reassess the situation.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-government-considers-48-hour-travel-ban-from-britain-with-likely-extension-1.4442011?mode=amp

Do they not work on Mondays?

Edit: No actually they are on holiday until the 13th of January.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/dail-schedule/

Tuesday it is. Fair play to them

Bishop of hope

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Do they not work on Mondays?

Edit: No actually they are on holiday until the 13th of January.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/dail-schedule/

Tuesday it is. Fair play to them

The govt work everyday, it's the opposition that take holidays.

Fann Linn

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The govt work everyday, it's the opposition that take holidays.

Spoken like a true disciple.

RandomViewer

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The govt work everyday, it's the opposition that take holidays.

Bishop , there comes a time when you realise you've reached the point of no return,

Bishop of hope

Let me have me bit of fun lads.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Should be easily addressed so?

That all opposition parties don't want to govern? They spend a lot of time and money working against that repeated ad nauseam FG spin

Bubbaclaus

So are we going to get LV vaccinating MM on live tv next week?

Bishop of hope

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So are we going to get LV vaccinating MM on live tv next week?

Could be. I read on some thread today that there's a, rumor Leo is on a foreign jaunt, but more likely he's getting trained up to deliver the first vaccine jab, Michael could be his first victim:D

Bubbaclaus

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Could be. I read on some thread today that there's a, rumor Leo is on a foreign jaunt, but more likely he's getting trained up to deliver the first vaccine jab, Michael could be his first victim:D

I'm sure Blanchardstown would be considered a foreign jaunt for some posters on here

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1341036932143460354?s=19

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm sure Blanchardstown would be considered a foreign jaunt for some posters on here

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1341036932143460354?s=19

I hope he's there for something other than a photo op?
Most vulnerable, during a pandemic.

#notanormalparty

smurgen

Bowie wrote: »

I hope he's there for something other than a photo op?
Most vulnerable, during a pandemic.

#notanormalparty

On the day with 762 cases are announced. Christ he is a moron.

Bubbaclaus

I wonder how much of the overall bus network this is. Heading in the right direction finally at least.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tender-for-up-to-800-all-electric-double-decker-buses-published-1.4442911

blanch152

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I wonder how much of the overall bus network this is. Heading in the right direction finally at least.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tender-for-up-to-800-all-electric-double-decker-buses-published-1.4442911

Great news, good to see some Green policies making headway, showing how a small party can make a positive impact.

RandomViewer

Bowie wrote: »

I hope he's there for something other than a photo op?
Most vulnerable, during a pandemic.

#notanormalparty

I said it was unusual that they'd sent Ryan out to do all the media at the weekend, questioned whether Varadkar was on a jolly, quickly organised photo op to prove he wasn't in Ibiza

TheTruth123

Each time FFG and Greens go against Public Health Advice they have been proven to be wrong

What do they do today? Go against Public Health Advice

James Brown

He's at it again. I hear Donnelly on the radio. He says things kick in Stephen's day. The government literature says the day after Stephen's day...
And why is the Tánaiste all over the RTE website giving his two cents? Another bet for a laugh? Which film?
He thinks it might go on for longer than planned etc. There should be a column in The Sun, 'Leo's musings', just so we know it is what it is.