FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

dundalkfc10

Kowerski wrote: »

So you think mass confusion is the best policy in the middle of a pandemic?

Can you find another country in the World, which has the equivalent of NHEPT doing a solo run on announcement without involving the government?

No and someone should have told MM and LV over the past few months, confusion after confusion each week

James Brown

Talk of the state taking up to 40% of activity in private hospitals.
Great win for 'our own'. They get to privatise health and bypass the middle man. Instead of the individual having to use private, the state is skipping that and paying tax monies to private hospitals to shore up the public service. cha-ching.

It's needed for sure, and yes, what else can they do, handy that. Like housing and buying and leasing, what else can they do? After decades of mismanagement and piss poor governance, (in both housing and health).
Winter won't help. Maybe call back that lad vowed to end the traditional and expected scandal of hospital trolleys? Be odd at this stage not to have a health minister wring his or her hands about it like it was unexpected.

Bishop of hope

Lotta wum"s on here.
It's the shinners, they're spreading the virus, it creates chaos, that's all they or their supporters know.
It started with a funeral, the message went out loud and clear, fcuk restrictions or virus, gather en masse and group up and multiply, the virus that is.
It's their heartlands that all this is coming from.

dundalkfc10

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Lotta wum"s on here.
It's the shinners, they're spreading the virus, it creates chaos, that's all they or their supporters know.
It started with a funeral, the message went out loud and clear, fcuk restrictions or virus, gather en masse and group up and multiply, the virus that is.
It's their heartlands that all this is coming from.

Sinn Fein in the membrane, Sinn Fein on the brain

Floppybits

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Our Govt have failed us. Didnt listen for 2 2 weeks, of course they knew better, crowd of Gobsites and not 1 had the balls to come out in public and say we made a mistake or they didnt agree with it at the time (and no way did everyone agree)

This is not something that the government do. Did you not hear Varadkar when he was asked did he apologise to the Holohan when they spoke after his tantrum and Varadkar reply was that they wouldn't be the sort of people to do that.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Lotta wum"s on here.
It's the shinners, they're spreading the virus, it creates chaos, that's all they or their supporters know.
It started with a funeral, the message went out loud and clear, fcuk restrictions or virus, gather en masse and group up and multiply, the virus that is.
It's their heartlands that all this is coming from.

You are generally in for a discussion but you're off the rails with the FG propaganda here Bish.
Are you being sarcastic maybe?
We'd Horkan's funeral, Storey's funeral, the Clifden golf piss up, Hogan on his travels, meat plant left open despite a covid cluster, bar let remain open after barman on the bar pouring whiskey or whatever into open mouths and on and on. We've LV having a hissy fit over NPHET and a government cherry picking which advice to take. But yeah, shinners...

dundalkfc10

Floppybits wrote: »

This is not something that the government do. Did you not hear Varadkar when he was asked did he apologise to the Holohan when they spoke after his tantrum and Varadkar reply was that they wouldn't be the sort of people to do that.

LV has not been the same since his ego took a doing when both FF and SF ran better elections and left them licking their wounds since.

MM now looking like the man in charge, while LV does on rants and tauntrums in the media, not to mention #LeoTheLeak

Kowerski

Nobotty wrote: »

Actually France to be fair
Their Scientific council is the equivalent of Nphet
And like Dr Peter Navarro of WHO,they are in favour of localised measures exactly like what this government and all the opposition bar the anarchists in pbp favour
Lockdown is only a last resort measure, not to be taken out willy nilly




https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200910-french-scientific-council-says-tough-decisions-needed-amid-rise-in-covid-cases-limit-on-social-gatherings-health

Nothing to suggest in that article that the Scientific Council is releasing information to the press prior to discussing with the government. I have no issue is NPHET and the government stand up at the same interview and explain their points of view. I think that would be good. But going to the press long before the government can make an announcement is just causing confusion, especially for old people.

atticu

smurgen wrote: »

Australia is more connected than ireland. Sydney airport for example has a much higher volume of passengers than Dublin airport.

Do you have anything to back this up?

On Sunday there are about 15 international flights due into Sydney, and about 20 international departures.
Dublin has more than that 20 international flights scheduled to leave before 9am, and more than 15 scheduled to arrival before noon.

smurgen

Kowerski wrote: »

Nothing to suggest in that article that the Scientific Council is releasing information to the press prior to discussing with the government. I have no issue is NPHET and the government stand up at the same interview and explain their points of view. I think that would be good. But going to the press long before the government can make an announcement is just causing confusion, especially for old people.

Is this accusation of NPHET doing the leaking coordinated? Where's the evidence they're leaking?

Serious accusations to make and attempt to undermine our health experts during a pandemic. Beyond contempt.

https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=19

Floppybits

Kowerski wrote: »

Nothing to suggest in that article that the Scientific Council is releasing information to the press prior to discussing with the government. I have no issue is NPHET and the government stand up at the same interview and explain their points of view. I think that would be good. But going to the press long before the government can make an announcement is just causing confusion, especially for old people.

I agree with this, NPHET are there to make recommendations to the government and it is the governments role to either accept, partially accept or reject the recommendations when weighing up all the options. Maybe at the beginning of this too much of the decision making was turned over the NPHET with the government implementing without question the recommendations from NPHET but not that we are further down the road and seen the affects of what the lock down had on the nation in terms of financial and mental health this government are not taking back the decision making and maybe NPHET are a bit put out by that.

The government need to do as you say and have a joint press conferences where NPHET outline what recommendations were made and the Government give what recommendations are going to be implemented. This madness of NPHET having their own press conference and then government having to deal with the aftermath of that press conference is not doing anyone any good.

smurgen

atticu wrote: »

Do you have anything to back this up?

On Sunday there are about 15 international flights due into Sydney, and about 20 international departures.
Dublin has more than that 20 international flights scheduled to leave before 9am, and more than 15 scheduled to arrival before noon.

The volume statistics are on their websites.
Sydney 44.4 million passengers in 2018 > Dublin 31.5 million in 2018.

https://www.dublinairport.com/corporate/about-us/facts-and-figures

https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/corporate/about/reports-and-publications/fact-sheets

dundalkfc10

smurgen wrote: »

Is this accusation of NPHET doing the leaking coordinated? Where's the evidence they're leaking?

Serious accusations to make and attempt to undermine our health experts during a pandemic. Beyond contempt.

https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=19

They cant blame Sinn Fein so they are going to attack and blame NHEPT

Its the Fine Gael way

Floppybits

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They cant blame Sinn Fein so they are going to attack and blame NHEPT

Its the Fine Gael way

Always someone else's fault, even when its not.

Baggly

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

They’d have to run it past Ted Howell, Gerry Kelly, Gerry Adams first.

Mod

Stay out of this thread.

atticu

smurgen wrote: »

The volume statistics are on their websites.
Sydney 44.4 million passengers in 2018 > Dublin 31.5 million in 2018.

https://www.dublinairport.com/corporate/about-us/facts-and-figures

https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/corporate/about/reports-and-publications/fact-sheets

I see what you tried to do here.

Take figures from 2018, and then try and match them to different figures for 2020. Unless you actually think that the passengers from 2018 are responsible for bringing COVID-19 into Ireland and Australia in 2020.

If you want to look up the figures for international passenger numbers for the second quarter of 2020 and post them up here, then we can all determine if your point is factually correct, or an attempt at manipulating the figures.

smurgen

atticu wrote: »

I see what you tried to do here.

Take figures from 2018, and then try and match them to different figures for 2020. Unless you actually think that the passengers from 2018 are responsible for bringing COVID-19 into Ireland and Australia in 2020.

If you want to look up the figures for international passenger numbers for the second quarter of 2020 and post them up here, then we can all determine if your point is factually correct, or an attempt at manipulating the figures.

Of course australian figures are lower now. They've restricted flights in and we haven't. They made the decision to have a travel zone with New Zealand. They have set up a common travel and covid area between New Zealand and Australia.

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/safe-travel-zone-new-zealand

atticu

This is not going well for you.

Now you are just contradicting yourself.

smurgen wrote: »

Of course australian figures are lower now. They've restricted flights in and we haven't. They made the decision to have a travel zone with New Zealand. They have set up a common travel and covid area between New Zealand and Australia.

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/safe-travel-zone-new-zealand

Nobotty wrote: »

****s sake Smurgen
New Zealand is an island 2000 miles from the nearest land mass which is also a closed continent country and you know Damn well that the DUP veto any closure of the GB North border

At least we now know that the post below is just an attempt to try and connect two pieces of information that can’t be concerned, or, you could say that it is not the truth.

smurgen wrote: »

Australia is more connected than ireland. Sydney airport for example has a much higher volume of passengers than Dublin airport. 904 deaths for a 27 million people while we have 1838 for 4.9 million people.

Next time you might want to think a little longer before you hit the submit button in your haste to try and score internet points.

Cluedo Monopoly

smurgen wrote: »

Is this accusation of NPHET doing the leaking coordinated? Where's the evidence they're leaking?

Serious accusations to make and attempt to undermine our health experts during a pandemic. Beyond contempt.

https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1317079759030026240?s=19

Alan Farrell FG isn't fit for purpose as a TD. How he got elected again after his insurance scam is beyond me.

smurgen

atticu wrote: »

This is not going well for you.

Now you are just contradicting yourself.






At least we now know that the post below is just an attempt to try and connect two pieces of information that can’t be concerned, or, you could say that it is not the truth.


Next time you might want to think a little longer before you hit the submit button in your haste to try and score internet points.

I think you’re having comprehension problems. People say NZ/Australia are of course doing better because they’re isolated. I showed that Australia was more connected. They made the decision to cut off air traffic. Ireland didn’t. The results can be seen in the relative death rates. That was a political decision.

Topgear on Dave

Air travel alone?

We would have to close air travel, stop ferries, seal the border for a long period to track and stamp out all cases.

If we find them all and have zero covid we then need to manage to stay sealed forever.

Possible maybe, but practical?

McMurphy

smurgen wrote: »

I think you’re having comprehension problems. People say NZ/Australia are of course doing better because they’re isolated. I showed that Australia was more connected. They made the decision to cut off air traffic. Ireland didn’t. The results can be seen in the relative death rates. That was a political decision.

That's one big massive *WHOOSH*

They inadvertently helped prove your point.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Alan Farrell FG isn't fit for purpose as a TD. How he got elected again after his insurance scam is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/WildState/status/1317093738385113091?s=19

RandomViewer

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Air travel alone?

We would have to close air travel, stop ferries, seal the border for a long period to track and stamp out all cases.

If we find them all and have zero covid we then need to manage to stay sealed forever.

Possible maybe, but practical?

There's hundreds of trucks coming in and going out, we need both, the goods going out to pay for the goods coming in.

smurgen

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Air travel alone?

We would have to close air travel, stop ferries, seal the border for a long period to track and stamp out all cases.

If we find them all and have zero covid we then need to manage to stay sealed forever.

Possible maybe, but practical?

I love the way any possible solutions need to be 100% perfect yet the chaos now is defended.

RandomViewer

smurgen wrote: »

The volume statistics are on their websites.
Sydney 44.4 million passengers in 2018 > Dublin 31.5 million in 2018.

https://www.dublinairport.com/corporate/about-us/facts-and-figures

https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/corporate/about/reports-and-publications/fact-sheets

Only 16million were international flights, huge domestic air travel in Australia

dundalkfc10

McMurphy wrote: »

That's one big massive *WHOOSH*

They inadvertently helped prove your point.



https://twitter.com/WildState/status/1317093738385113091?s=19

It's backfired in him now himself and Leo the Leak are trending on twitter for all the wrong reason for themselves

Topgear on Dave

smurgen wrote: »

I love the way any possible solutions need to be 100% perfect yet the chaos now is defended.

Well yes, if your going for eradication it has to be 100% and total, anything else is pointless, right now we are going to let as much as possible operate and try and live with it.

Nobotty

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1317052514550898689?s=19

atticu

smurgen wrote: »

I think you’re having comprehension problems. People say NZ/Australia are of course doing better because they’re isolated. I showed that Australia was more connected. They made the decision to cut off air traffic. Ireland didn’t. The results can be seen in the relative death rates. That was a political decision.

WOW, this is a huge U-turn for you.

Are you saying that Australia and New Zealand were correct in closing their boarders?

smurgen

Good to see proper hard work being rewarded. Our coalition of rejects could only dream of this type of majority that's being forecasted.

https://twitter.com/RobinG_F/status/1317372459381829632?s=19