FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

The numbers tell the real story. We are doing far better than our neighbours in the North and our neighbours across the Irish Sea. Those are the measures by which you can judge the government.

People were always going to get sick and die from Covid-19. How many compared to others nearby is the mark of how well a government is managing it.

Faux comparisons with countries on the other side of the world don't cut it, but comparing with Northern Ireland and Great Britain offer insight.

We've cut down on tests to keep the numbers down ffs, country is riddled at this stage , guys were advertising their f#####g shebeens on social media , we are in this sh1t up to our necks North and South and you are running around going " Na Na NaNa" , Jesus wept

Bishop of hope

RandomViewer wrote: »

We've cut down on tests to keep the numbers down ffs, country is riddled at this stage , guys were advertising their f#####g shebeens on social media , we are in this sh1t up to our necks North and South and you are running around going " Na Na NaNa" , Jesus wept

No we haven cut down our tests!
We are not testing everyone who is a close contact unless or until they display symptoms.
But testing is at max.

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

The numbers tell the real story. We are doing far better than our neighbours in the North and our neighbours across the Irish Sea. Those are the measures by which you can judge the government.

People were always going to get sick and die from Covid-19. How many compared to others nearby is the mark of how well a government is managing it.

Faux comparisons with countries on the other side of the world don't cut it, but comparing with Northern Ireland and Great Britain offer insight.

New Ross in Wexford has the highest covid rate on the Island of Ireland currently.

RandomViewer

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No we haven cut down our tests!
We are not testing everyone who is a close contact unless or until they display symptoms.
But testing is at max.

Had cases outside Letterkenny early Christmas week, kids who sat beside them weren't texted until the weekend and no test until Tuesday, we are failing test and trace, trying to point score about stuff happening elsewhere is just sad

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No we haven cut down our tests!
We are not testing everyone who is a close contact unless or until they display symptoms.
But testing is at max.

The reporting systems cannot catch up with the levels of infection currently. They were warned this would happen and now it has happened.

""We have also seen a significant increase in positive laboratory tests in recent days reflecting a true increase in the incidence of the disease as well as the delay in people coming forward for testing over the Christmas period"

"As our systems catch up with these effects it places significant pressure on our reporting system."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0101/1187177-covid-19/

Bishop of hope

RandomViewer wrote: »

Had cases outside Letterkenny early Christmas week, kids who sat beside them weren't texted until the weekend and no test until Tuesday, we are failing test and trace, trying to point score about stuff happening elsewhere is just sad

It's all sad if that's what we're reduced to point scoring about.
But if one does it I see why others respond.
We need to adhere to the medical advice ourselves, it's there every day, take responsibility.
Stay out of crowds, cut our social contacts, wear masks and sanitize.
This can be done easily despite govt restrictions or not.
We shouldn't have to be made do these things unless we are complete bollixes ourselves.

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's all sad if that's what we're reduced to point scoring about.
But if one does it I see why others respond.
We need to adhere to the medical advice ourselves, it's there every day, take responsibility.
Stay out of crowds, cut our social contacts, wear masks and sanitize.
This can be done easily despite govt restrictions or not.
We shouldn't have to be made do these things unless we are complete bollixes ourselves.

Government strategy will make the difference. Personal responsibility is an ideology not a stragegy. Government strategy to contain the virus has failed again. TD's and media undermined the experts in particular Leo Varadkar.

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

Government strategy will make the difference. Personal responsibility is an ideology not a stragegy. Government strategy to contain the virus has failed again. TD's and media undermined the experts in particular Leo Varadkar.

As I said, lots of things to be considered in overall strategy.
Our ability to trade at some level is important and the mental well being of the human.
We can't survive internally, simple as that.

PearseCork92

blanch152 wrote: »

Faux comparisons with countries on the other side of the world don't cut it, but comparing with Northern Ireland and Great Britain offer insight.

Rule number one of deflection is thou must not make comparisons to well-performing countries like Taiwan and New Zealand, because y'know they're far away, and like they do the haka and speak Mandarin which makes the virus a COMPLETELY different ballgame.

We're much better off benchmarking virus suppression to other sh*thouse performing countries like Tory UK. Much better.

smurgen

Oh ya and here's the paper of record that some of the FFG loyalists here love so much.All of these tweets and article aged well.

https://twitter.com/PatLeahyIT/status/1332644260592693248?s=19

Bishop of hope

PearseCork92 wrote: »

Rule number one of deflection is thou must not make comparisons to well-werforming countries like Taiwan and New Zealand, because y'know they're far away, and like they do the haka and speak Mandarin which makes the virus a COMPLETELY different ballgame.

We're much better off benchmarking virus suppression to other sh*thouse performing countries like Tory UK. Much better.

Or Nationalist NI?
Quit it lads, it's just a circular blame game.

PearseCork92

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Or Nationalist NI?
Quit it lads, it's just a circular blame game.

Well-known Army Council member Robin Swann of the UUP as health minister. Checked with my sources in Special Branch, he's been a Provo deep undercover for years.

Bishop of hope

PearseCork92 wrote: »

Well-known Army Council member Robin Swann of the UUP as health minister. Checked with my sources in Special Branch, he's been a Provo deep undercover for years.

We are led to believe that nationalists are at numbers now for a UI, that being the case SF should have the abiding message up there and people, should be heeding it.
It doesn't look like they are getting their message through any better, in fact way worse, than here so far.
So the political blame game is stupid imo.

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

Had cases outside Letterkenny early Christmas week, kids who sat beside them weren't texted until the weekend and no test until Tuesday, we are failing test and trace, trying to point score about stuff happening elsewhere is just sad

Nobody is trying to point score about stuff happening elsewhere, that is a notion in your head.

The point being made is that people will die during a pandemic no matter what a government does. The point scoring with people's lives is being done by those who kneejerk blame the government for everything.

So how do you judge a government in that context? You look at their peers, at those countries closest to them with similar constraints and similar cultures and see how they compare. Therefore, you don't look at Taiwan and New Zealand to see how our government is doing, you look at Northern Ireland and Great Britain, and to a lesser extent, countries like France and Spain.

By those measures, Ireland is doing relatively well.

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Or Nationalist NI?
Quit it lads, it's just a circular blame game.

Quit nothing. These lads are idiots and need to be disgraced. Their failures have cost us lives and they need to face scrutiny from a media that will hold them to task. Varadkar told lie after lie and it is clear that they were not serious on tackling the virus. Take this gem for example in July.

"Tanaiste Leo Varadkar has ruled out a mandatory quarantine for people arriving into Ireland, saying it "turned out to be a bit of a disaster" in Australia"

"Acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn said on Monday that, from a public health perspective, mandatory quarantine would be a "desirable measure" but it was up to the Government to decide given the wider implications"

"The objective was to flatten the curve, suppress the virus, it was never to eliminate the virus. New Zealand thought they'd done that and they haven't - they now have new cases every day."



https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/coronavirus-airbourne-travel-ireland-america-22353169.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true&s=08

blanch152

PearseCork92 wrote: »

Well-known Army Council member Robin Swann of the UUP as health minister. Checked with my sources in Special Branch, he's been a Provo deep undercover for years.

It is always someone else's fault - Sinn Fein don't own their mistakes.

PearseCork92

Bishop of hope wrote: »

We are led to believe that nationalists are at numbers now for a UI, that being the case SF should have the abiding message up there and people, should be heeding it.
It doesn't look like they are getting their message through any better, in fact way worse, than here so far.
So the political blame game is stupid imo.

Weak post

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

Quit nothing. These lads are idiots and need to be disgraced. Their failures have cost us lives and they need to face scrutiny from a media that will hold them to task. Varadkar told lie after lie and it is clear that they were not serious on tackling the virus. Take this gem for example in July.

"Tanaiste Leo Varadkar has ruled out a mandatory quarantine for people arriving into Ireland, saying it "turned out to be a bit of a disaster" in Australia"

"Acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn said on Monday that, from a public health perspective, mandatory quarantine would be a "desirable measure" but it was up to the Government to decide given the wider implications"

"The objective was to flatten the curve, suppress the virus, it was never to eliminate the virus. New Zealand thought they'd done that and they haven't - they now have new cases every day."



https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/coronavirus-airbourne-travel-ireland-america-22353169.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true&s=08

You are one of the people who has repeatedly told us that the border with Northern Ireland is impossible to control. How would imposing quarantine on those crossing the border have worked?

Maybe you are a partitionist now.

PearseCork92

blanch152 wrote: »

It is always someone else's fault - Sinn Fein don't own their mistakes.

You're right. It's completely Sinn Féin's fault Robin Swann is health minister.

PearseCork92

blanch152 wrote: »

You are one of the people who has repeatedly told us that the border with Northern Ireland is impossible to control. How would imposing quarantine on those crossing the border have worked?

Maybe you are a partitionist now.

Emm, no I'm not.

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

You are one of the people who has repeatedly told us that the border with Northern Ireland is impossible to control. How would imposing quarantine on those crossing the border have worked?

Maybe you are a partitionist now.

I answered that today. An all Ireland approach should have been pursued. You blamed SF for nothern ireland countless times. Your asking to stop point scoring now is laughable.

PearseCork92

smurgen wrote: »

Quit nothing. These lads are idiots and need to be disgraced. Their failures have cost us lives and they need to face scrutiny from a media that will hold them to task. Varadkar told lie after lie and it is clear that they were not serious on tackling the virus. Take this gem for example in July.

"Tanaiste Leo Varadkar has ruled out a mandatory quarantine for people arriving into Ireland, saying it "turned out to be a bit of a disaster" in Australia"

"Acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn said on Monday that, from a public health perspective, mandatory quarantine would be a "desirable measure" but it was up to the Government to decide given the wider implications"

"The objective was to flatten the curve, suppress the virus, it was never to eliminate the virus. New Zealand thought they'd done that and they haven't - they now have new cases every day."



https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/coronavirus-airbourne-travel-ireland-america-22353169.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true&s=08

I was in a country with enforced quarantine for arrivals most of last year. It works. Varadkar was talking rope on this point, and it should be pointed out.

smurgen

PearseCork92 wrote: »

I was in a country with enforced quarantine for arrivals most of last year. It works. Varadkar was talking rope on this point, and it should be pointed out.

Like he always does. Two weeks after this appearance he was on the podium with his tail between his legs announcing level 5. No wonder some in the public don't take it seriously with this sort of careless rhetoric.

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1313222982823825408?s=19

I wonder what political party these eegits are affiliated to? https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0101/1187221-shebeen-search-kildare/

smurgen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder what political party these eegits are affiliated to? https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0101/1187221-shebeen-search-kildare/

Or this crowd.

https://twitter.com/Colin_McDer/status/1329800192690950146?s=19

PearseCork92

blanch152 wrote: »

Nobody is trying to point score about stuff happening elsewhere, that is a notion in your head.

The point being made is that people will die during a pandemic no matter what a government does. The point scoring with people's lives is being done by those who kneejerk blame the government for everything.

So how do you judge a government in that context? You look at their peers, at those countries closest to them with similar constraints and similar cultures and see how they compare. Therefore, you don't look at Taiwan and New Zealand to see how our government is doing, you look at Northern Ireland and Great Britain, and to a lesser extent, countries like France and Spain.

By those measures, Ireland is doing relatively well.

Lol.

Thou. Must. Not. Compare.

Covid hates Taiwanese beef noodles and Marmite. Well-known scientific fact.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder what political party these eegits are affiliated to? https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0101/1187221-shebeen-search-kildare/

Like is this just white noise thrown in to deflect from his shyte Leo handled his interactions with NPHET, or what actually is the point of that post?

Why must they be affiliated with any political party FFS? Some lads operating a shebeen? Oh yeah - bet you they're labour party affiliated.

**Shrugs** FFS.

RandomViewer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder what political party these eegits are affiliated to? https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0101/1187221-shebeen-search-kildare/

Guards found one up here yesterday,well they were ad vertising on social media, family would be known FG supporters,

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

I answered that today. An all Ireland approach should have been pursued. You blamed SF for nothern ireland countless times. Your asking to stop point scoring now is laughable.

The only party down here who could have delivered an all-Ireland approach was Sinn Fein, and it required two things

(1) Sinn Fein backing the Irish government approach
(2) Sinn Fein persuading its partners in the North to adopt the same approach.

They were incapable of either. In fact, they made fools of themselves, simultaneously supporting or opposing the same measures depending on whether they were North or South, and at one time wanting to close schools while keeping pubs and bookies open. You couldn’t make up that level of ineptitude and constant playing politics with people’s deaths.

Getting back on topic, what it demonstrates is that we have been extremely lucky to have this government in place over the last year.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0101/1187177-covid-19/

The large volume of positive tests means there is a delay in formal reporting, which is how an estimated 9,000 cases have not yet been reported.

The computer system for notifying infectious diseases is old and was designed to report sporadic cases on a weekly basis - not for the kind of numbers that are now being seen.

What kind of nonsense is this? What tripe are they feeding us now? An old computer system that cannot count above 2000 or something? Are they using an abacus??!