FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

golfball37

Niall Collins slip of tongue on prime time said schools would be closed for 6 weeks and then when challenged claims he said 3 weeks. If they close for 6 we can’t believe anything anymore.

Cluedo Monopoly

Suckit wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Leo said something in one of his Mean Girls/Terminator/Lord of the Rings etc., speeches mentioning that the pandemic was here for the foreseeable future and he also said the virus was here to stay.

I believe he said he expected a vaccine in Q1 too. How they weren't prepared to roll it out is beyond me.

smurgen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“People” have been calling for lots of things. Doesn’t mean that it’s all doable. No one could predict the pandemic lasting this long.

They're doing it so it was clearly doable.

smurgen

Serious question. Why is the infrastructure for the vaccine only being put together now?

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

Serious question. Why is the infrastructure for the vaccine only being put together now?

Cos, it’s only now being licensed.

smurgen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cos, it’s only now being licensed.

So administration planning had to be done afterwards?

Ha Long Bay

smurgen wrote: »

Serious question. Why is the infrastructure for the vaccine only being put together now?

It was put together at the start of last month.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1204/1182350-hse-covid-vaccine/

smurgen

john4321 wrote: »

It was put together at the start of last month.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1204/1182350-hse-covid-vaccine/

And the tracking of vaccine administration to patients? Have patients being given priority lists for vaccine delivery?

From December 15th it seems there was nothing but confusion;

"Doctors say they are increasingly frustrated over “delay and confusion” about their role in the State’s Covid vaccine plan.

Irish Medical Organisation (IMO) GP chairman Dr Denis McCauley said there was a lack of clarity on the role to be played by family doctors.

GPs want to play a role but “the longer our keenness is held on tap, the more frustration will actually develop”

"An implementation group focused on the rollout was due to have its first meeting on Monday “but that appears to have stalled”, Dr McAuley said.

He raised concerns about the development of software used to track the vaccination programme. “If they are going to develop a brand new software, let’s hope there’s no “northside Luas/southside Luas” moment".

"The Irish Pharmacy Union (IPU) also urged the HSE to engage with it about plans to roll out the vaccine. “The campaign can’t happen successfully unless the HSE sits down and talks to us about how it will work,” said Darragh O’Loughlin, general secretary of the IPU"


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctors-frustrated-and-confused-about-their-role-in-covid-vaccine-plan-1.4434516

Seems to be a delay at the nursing homes too :

"The first roll-out of the vaccine in care homes was due to start on Monday, however it was delayed due to issues with consent forms"

“An IT system was supposed to be developed for the administration of the vaccine, a bit like the flu vaccine one, but what we are seeing at the moment is a paper exercise.”

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/no-more-room-for-slippages-or-delays-in-vaccine-rollout-nursing-homes-ireland-1059774.html

James Brown

Suckit wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Leo said something in one of his Mean Girls/Terminator/Lord of the Rings etc., speeches mentioning that the pandemic was here for the foreseeable future and he also said the virus was here to stay.

He was likely trying to work in the quotes. Clownish behaviour. He cannot and should not be taken seriously.

Ha Long Bay

smurgen wrote: »

And the tracking of vaccine administration to patients? Have patients being given priority lists for vaccine delivery?

From December 15th it seems there was nothing but confusion;

"Doctors say they are increasingly frustrated over “delay and confusion” about their role in the State’s Covid vaccine plan.

Irish Medical Organisation (IMO) GP chairman Dr Denis McCauley said there was a lack of clarity on the role to be played by family doctors.

GPs want to play a role but “the longer our keenness is held on tap, the more frustration will actually develop”

"An implementation group focused on the rollout was due to have its first meeting on Monday “but that appears to have stalled”, Dr McAuley said.

He raised concerns about the development of software used to track the vaccination programme. “If they are going to develop a brand new software, let’s hope there’s no “northside Luas/southside Luas” moment".

"The Irish Pharmacy Union (IPU) also urged the HSE to engage with it about plans to roll out the vaccine. “The campaign can’t happen successfully unless the HSE sits down and talks to us about how it will work,” said Darragh O’Loughlin, general secretary of the IPU"


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctors-frustrated-and-confused-about-their-role-in-covid-vaccine-plan-1.4434516

Seems to be a delay at the nursing homes too :

"The first roll-out of the vaccine in care homes was due to start on Monday, however it was delayed due to issues with consent forms"

“An IT system was supposed to be developed for the administration of the vaccine, a bit like the flu vaccine one, but what we are seeing at the moment is a paper exercise.”

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/no-more-room-for-slippages-or-delays-in-vaccine-rollout-nursing-homes-ireland-1059774.html

What have either of these things you posted got to do with infrastructure?

smurgen

john4321 wrote: »

What have either of these things you posted got to do with infrastructure?

An admin system or i.t system or basic administration plan is infrastructure.

smurgen

This advice stood in my mind from the start and it seems like our own politicians were too busy quoting mean girls to pay attention at the time. A message more pertinent now than ever.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1238504143104421888?s=19

Ha Long Bay

smurgen wrote: »

An admin system or i.t system or basic administration plan is infrastructure.

Red tape blamed for Covid-19 vaccine rollout delays


https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40201029.html


"Mr Daly welcomed the commitment to rollout the vaccine seven days a week to speed up the process."


Let's try and stay positive for January and get through this without politics.

smurgen

john4321 wrote: »

Red tape blamed for Covid-19 vaccine rollout delays


https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40201029.html


"Mr Daly welcomed the commitment to rollout the vaccine seven days a week to speed up the process."


Let's try and stay positive for January and get through this without politics.

No we won't. This was political when things were rosy in the garden.now it's gone arse ways it get through without politics. December 13th ;

"Leo Varadkar reveals he regrets not calling an Easter poll when he was Taoiseach.

Leo Varadkar made the remarks at a $100-a-head online event for the Washington Ireland Programme last Thursday evening, saying he believed Fine Gael would have done better had he delayed calling the general election until April, following the initial response to the pandemic.

"Had that happened, we would have had the election after the pandemic and perhaps it would have gone a bit better for me and my party," he said at the event. "We may have had a different electoral outcome and in my mind one that would have been better for the country."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-regrets-not-waiting-until-april-to-hold-2020-election-39857030.html


Absolutely sickening.

Ha Long Bay

smurgen wrote: »

No we won't. This was political when things were rosy in the garden.now it's gone arse ways it get through without politics. December 13th ;

"Leo Varadkar reveals he regrets not calling an Easter poll when he was Taoiseach.

Leo Varadkar made the remarks at a $100-a-head online event for the Washington Ireland Programme last Thursday evening, saying he believed Fine Gael would have done better had he delayed calling the general election until April, following the initial response to the pandemic.

"Had that happened, we would have had the election after the pandemic and perhaps it would have gone a bit better for me and my party," he said at the event. "We may have had a different electoral outcome and in my mind one that would have been better for the country."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-regrets-not-waiting-until-april-to-hold-2020-election-39857030.html


Absolutely sickening.

No problem I'm out then.

jmcc

smurgen wrote: »

"Leo Varadkar reveals he regrets not calling an Easter poll when he was Taoiseach.

Sounds downright sociopathic. The only thing that Varadkar seems to be interested in is himself.

Regards...jmcc

FrancieBrady

The gif here is gonna be how this government is seen. Hard to dispel it now after so many many cock-ups. Brilliant wee gif it is.
https://twitter.com/thelittlegreen6/status/1346493688361451521

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The gif here is gonna be how this government is seen. Hard to dispel it now after so many many cock-ups. Brilliant wee gif it is.
https://twitter.com/thelittlegreen6/status/1346493688361451521

My sister, her husband and their 3 kids with husbands and wives and children all got together at Xmas at various times and all have covid now.
My sister invited me and my Mrs my other brother and his Mrs to lunch on New year's day.
My brother and his Mrs went, they're now in for tests today as close contacts
We didn't go because of the restrictions, though we made a different excuse.
That's the real maze and cause of spread, no childish cartoon, reality.
Have a good day.

grayzer75

Bishop of hope wrote: »

My sister, her husband and their 3 kids with husbands and wives and children all got together at Xmas at various times and all have covid now.
My sister invited me and my Mrs my other brother and his Mrs to lunch on New year's day.
My brother and his Mrs went, they're now in for tests today as close contacts
We didn't go because of the restrictions, though we made a different excuse.
That's the real maze and cause of spread, no childish cartoon, reality.
Have a good day.

Hopefully they all make a full speedy recovery.

I have a relative who's household got infected and the 6 year old wee girl ended up in an ambulance and brought to A&E with breathing difficulties and she had no underlying conditions. Thankfully she has turned a corner but this virus is ripping through the country.

The government f*cked up in December but it's not the time to dwell on that now - the important thing to focus on are the actions in the next month or so to bring the numbers back down and actually learn from the mistakes.

Wanderer78

grayzer75 wrote: »

Hopefully they all make a full speedy recovery.

I have a relative who's household got infected and the 6 year old wee girl ended up in an ambulance and brought to A&E with breathing difficulties and she had no underlying conditions. Thankfully she has turned a corner but this virus is ripping through the country.

The government f*cked up in December but it's not the time to dwell on that now - the important thing to focus on are the actions in the next month or so to bring the numbers back down and actually learn from the mistakes.

the government was put under serious pressure to reopen for christmas, so they did, the rest is history....

currently quarantining here, due to direct/indirect contact, infected individuals are slowly recovering, thank god

mikep

Bishop of hope wrote: »

My sister, her husband and their 3 kids with husbands and wives and children all got together at Xmas at various times and all have covid now.
My sister invited me and my Mrs my other brother and his Mrs to lunch on New year's day.
My brother and his Mrs went, they're now in for tests today as close contacts
We didn't go because of the restrictions, though we made a different excuse.
That's the real maze and cause of spread, no childish cartoon, reality.
Have a good day.

100% true.

The general population decided that socialising was more important than protecting themselves and their loved ones.

If any government had tried a lockdown over Christmas it would have been ignored.

I find it utterly depressing that so many decided that their social life was that important and now it's"the government's" fault...

Brendan Bendar

mikep wrote: »

100% true.

The general population decided that socialising was more important than protecting themselves and their loved ones.

If any government had tried a lockdown over Christmas it would have been ignored.

I find it utterly depressing that so many decided that their social life was that important and now it's"the government's" fault...

Correct.....Pat was getting out at Xmas come hell or high water.

Then we can blame someone else.

Bishop of hope

grayzer75 wrote: »

Hopefully they all make a full speedy recovery.

I have a relative who's household got infected and the 6 year old wee girl ended up in an ambulance and brought to A&E with breathing difficulties and she had no underlying conditions. Thankfully she has turned a corner but this virus is ripping through the country.

The government f*cked up in December but it's not the time to dwell on that now - the important thing to focus on are the actions in the next month or so to bring the numbers back down and actually learn from the mistakes.

Thanks for the wishes.
One of the women is a diabetic, she's been hospitalised but precautionary I think.

smurgen

mikep wrote: »

100% true.

The general population decided that socialising was more important than protecting themselves and their loved ones.

If any government had tried a lockdown over Christmas it would have been ignored.

I find it utterly depressing that so many decided that their social life was that important and now it's"the government's" fault...

Nope. Vast majority of population supported control measures. Government defied NPHET'S advice and said socialising and visit pubs and restaurants was grand. Sure of course people thought it was going to be safe. False sense of security. Can't blame people for getting sick after they followed the advice they were given by government. And for the established media cheerleading reopening that would have added to the sense of safety.

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

Nope. Vast majority of population supported control measures. Government defied NPHET'S advice and said socialising and visit pubs and restaurants was grand. Sure of course people thought it was going to be safe. False sense of security. Can't blame people for getting sick after they followed the advice they were given by government. And for the established media cheerleading reopening that would have added to the sense of safety.

Here's the now taken down HSE webpage :

:But from 18 December to 6 January you can:

meet with up to 2 other households
travel outside your county
Read advice on this page on how to stay safe this Christmas during:

Christmas Day
Christmas visiting
going to cafes, restaurants or pubs
shopping.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201217073439/https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/stay-safe-from-covid-19-this-christmas.html

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

Nope. Vast majority of population supported control measures. Government defied NPHET'S advice and said socialising and visit pubs and restaurants was grand. Sure of course people thought it was going to be safe. False sense of security. Can't blame people for getting sick after they followed the advice they were given by government. And for the established media cheerleading reopening that would have added to the sense of safety.

That might be true in some ways.
But families thought it was safe to intermingle and that they were bubbles of some sort I think.
My sister and her husband would be cautious people.
This was going to happen at Xmas regardless of restrictions.
Included in that family I posted about are professional working people, not what you describe as typical devil may care youngsters.
People who should know better.
A garda, an assistant bank manager, a health care worker, a retired health care worker, a former legal secretary, and a lab technician in a pharmaceutical company.
If you can't get a message through to them you're in trouble.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

My sister, her husband and their 3 kids with husbands and wives and children all got together at Xmas at various times and all have covid now.
My sister invited me and my Mrs my other brother and his Mrs to lunch on New year's day.
My brother and his Mrs went, they're now in for tests today as close contacts
We didn't go because of the restrictions, though we made a different excuse.
That's the real maze and cause of spread, no childish cartoon, reality.
Have a good day.

I hope they all make a full recovery bish, that's the only thing that matters now, nothing else matters now, except they isolate and concentrate on recovering.

mikep

smurgen wrote: »

Nope. Vast majority of population supported control measures. Government defied NPHET'S advice and said socialising and visit pubs and restaurants was grand. Sure of course people thought it was going to be safe. False sense of security. Can't blame people for getting sick after they followed the advice they were given by government. And for the established media cheerleading reopening that would have added to the sense of safety.

The reality is that many flaunted or ignored the rules, I personally know families who mixed without any consideration of their own responsibility.
One family has 2 vulnerable elderly parents with a stream of children and grandchildren in and out of the house. Including some coming back from abroad.

No government could ever have shut the country down completely, which I believe should have been done..
I would have totally cancelled Christmas with a strict lockdown with sanctions for those breaking the rules..

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

I hope they all make a full recovery bish, that's the only thing that matters now, nothing else matters now, except they isolate and concentrate on recovering.

Thanks Mc, none are very sick.
I was at my sisters yesterday delivering some goodies and they're just having mild symptoms.
The rest are the same they tell me with a couple showing none even.

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

No we won't. This was political when things were rosy in the garden.now it's gone arse ways it get through without politics. December 13th ;

"Leo Varadkar reveals he regrets not calling an Easter poll when he was Taoiseach.

Leo Varadkar made the remarks at a $100-a-head online event for the Washington Ireland Programme last Thursday evening, saying he believed Fine Gael would have done better had he delayed calling the general election until April, following the initial response to the pandemic.

"Had that happened, we would have had the election after the pandemic and perhaps it would have gone a bit better for me and my party," he said at the event. "We may have had a different electoral outcome and in my mind one that would have been better for the country."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-regrets-not-waiting-until-april-to-hold-2020-election-39857030.html


Absolutely sickening.

So, what’s your opinion on the rest of that article? More postal voting proposed in the Greens Electoral Reform Bill?