FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Fann Linn

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yep, disastrous decision for them to have made.
They'll definitely have to uturn on it.

I said this the other day and I'll say it again, did none of their many advisors not think it might be wise for FFG to sound out the teachers first.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yep, disastrous decision for them to have made.
They'll definitely have to uturn on it.

Bish, are you a shinner now, have you never voted for FG? I'd suggest you're someone unhappy with this move. If the policies began to make you more unhappy than happy, might you vote elsewhere and if so would you judge that you had changed or FG?

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yep, disastrous decision for them to have made.
They'll definitely have to uturn on it.

It's worse....the u-turn has been made for them. Not in control.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's worse....the u-turn has been made for them. Not in control.

That's fair enough too.
They're floundering in an attempt to keep some normals in a time when all needs shutting down.
That's coalitions for you, cohesiveness is hard to achieve in short term decision making.
Remember there's still a sizable amount of people shouting hoax.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

That's fair enough too.
They're floundering in an attempt to keep some normals in a time when all needs shutting down.
That's coalitions for you, cohesiveness is hard to achieve in short term decision making.
Remember there's still a sizable amount of people shouting hoax.

Oh... there's figures on it? How many are shouting 'hoax' then? A few vocal FB idiots is all I see. But what 'sizable' is and how it excuses yet another chaotic mess of arrogance and wrongheaded thinking from the get go, will be interesting.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh... there's figures on it? How many are shouting 'hoax' then? A few vocal FB idiots is all I see. But what 'sizable' is and how it excuses yet another chaotic mess of arrogance and wrongheaded thinking from the get go, will be interesting.

In England earlier in the year, May I think from memory, 1 in 5 or 20% thought it.
I don't know if there's been a survey here, but judging on behaviours and crowd gatherings a fairly large amount either think hoax or don't believe the seriousness of it.

Bishop of hope

Link here Francie.https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/22/860947708/1-in-5-in-england-think-the-coronavirus-is-a-hoax?t=1610046118378

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Link here Francie.https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/22/860947708/1-in-5-in-england-think-the-coronavirus-is-a-hoax?t=1610046118378

So data from England is influencing government decisions here?

What has bringing children and adults into what is an otherwise too dangerous to open scenario got to do with the amount of people who think it is a hoax anyhow?

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So data from England is influencing government decisions here?

What has bringing children and adults into what is an otherwise too dangerous to open scenario got to do with the amount of people who think it is a hoax anyhow?

Not what I said, but yes too.
The new strain is influencing decisions.
No need to think Irish attitudes are much different really, every country has its hoax shouters.
If the shops all opened up in the morning the streets would be busy despite the numbers.
The pubs would be full, proof of the fact that people are sceptical at least as to the seriousness of the issue.
If there was widespread and wholesale belief in the seriousness of the issue the govt wouldn't need to issue restrictions at all.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Not what I said, but yes too.
The new strain is influencing decisions.
No need to think Irish attitudes are much different really, every country has its hoax shouters.
If the shops all opened up in the morning the streets would be busy despite the numbers.
The pubs would be full, proof of the fact that people are sceptical at least as to the seriousness of the issue.
If there was widespread and wholesale belief in the seriousness of the issue the govt wouldn't need to issue restrictions at all.

So how does putting 61,00o people at risk wash with worries about the new strain?

Make sense Bish.

Fann Linn

RIC commemoration won't be going ahead anyway according to McEntee in the Examiner just now.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So how does putting 61,00o people at risk wash with worries about the new strain?

Make sense Bish.

It doesn't, i agree on that.
I'm saying it goes against everything else they're trying to do even.
But the people complaining are as hypocritical, because if the other measures weren't in place they'd happily plod into the shops and pubs and gatherings too.
That's my point really.

Fann Linn

Return to classes postponed to Feb 1. Another u turn from the Govt of Chaos.

McMurphy

Fann Linn wrote: »

RIC commemoration won't be going ahead anyway according to McEntee in the Examiner just now.

Dam. I was so looking forward to it too. :mad:

FrancieBrady

Didn't think the u-turn would come this quick.

James Brown

They u-turned on the three day school week. Within 48 hours as predicted.
Can't help but think if they were logical and discussed it with folk...ah well.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Dam. I was so looking forward to it too. :mad:

Suit in cleaners here too.

Fann Linn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't think the u-turn would come this quick.

Same here, from reading online the feeling is with ASTI pulling plant this evening FORSA would have followed with SNAs and secretaries and the whole thing would have created a bigger mess than it already is.

Bubbaclaus

Looks like they fell to public pressure rather than any actual guidance from NPHET, judging by the CMOs comments this evening.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1347265413562986497?s=19

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Looks like they fell to public pressure rather than any actual guidance from NPHET, judging by the CMOs comments this evening.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1347265413562986497?s=19

Not that they always follow NPHET advice anyway.
Point is MM made a solid statement the other day and they've back tracked. Nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong or changing your mind but if they had of consulted with the various parties they might not have had to act and look so foolish.

FrancieBrady

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Looks like they fell to public pressure rather than any actual guidance from NPHET, judging by the CMOs comments this evening.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1347265413562986497?s=19

'It's the public's fault' is Maryanne's line.

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Looks like they fell to public pressure

You are hardly accusing them of being populist chancers now are you bubba?

What. An. Absolute. Clusterfcuk.

Senior hurling my ass.

RandomViewer

McMurphy wrote: »

You are hardly accusing them of being populist chancers now are you bubba?

What. An. Absolute. Clusterfcuk.

Senior hurling my ass.

Junior tiddlewinks

Bubbaclaus

It has become impossible to have a civilised discussion in these threads. The two replies to my post above show that.

Enjoy folks.

Cluedo Monopoly

What was it John McGuinness said at the FF parliamentary party last week?

I have to compliment the cabinet on it's consistency on making a balls of things every week

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh... there's figures on it? How many are shouting 'hoax' then? A few vocal FB idiots is all I see. But what 'sizable' is and how it excuses yet another chaotic mess of arrogance and wrongheaded thinking from the get go, will be interesting.

Came on this tragic story, really brings the mentality of Gemma O Doherty and her followers and like minded people to a new level.
Be of no doubt, the numbers prepared to ignore and undermine the public health measures are large.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardaf390-gemmaodoherty-dublin-video-lockdown-19577147

grayzer75

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Came on this tragic story, really brings the mentality of Gemma O Doherty and her followers and like minded people to a new level.
Be of no doubt, the numbers prepared to ignore and undermine the public health measures are large.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardaf390-gemmaodoherty-dublin-video-lockdown-19577147

She's a vile disgusting person who needs to held accountable for her actions.

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Came on this tragic story, really brings the mentality of Gemma O Doherty and her followers and like minded people to a new level.
Be of no doubt, the numbers prepared to ignore and undermine the public health measures are large.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardaf390-gemmaodoherty-dublin-video-lockdown-19577147

Read about that and it enraged me. She needs to be prosecuted after this. Rip to the Garda. Such a shame.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Came on this tragic story, really brings the mentality of Gemma O Doherty and her followers and like minded people to a new level.
Be of no doubt, the numbers prepared to ignore and undermine the public health measures are large.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardaf390-gemmaodoherty-dublin-video-lockdown-19577147

Desperate story and hopefully it might have an effect on her but I am still failing to see how it explains incompetent government

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Desperate story and hopefully it might have an effect on her but I am still failing to see how it explains incompetent government

It doesn't i suppose.
But what is incompetence in one man's eyes is a mistake in another's, and we all make them.
Everyone both politically and in life is incompetent at some time or other, that doesn't mean they are wholly incompetent and no one will ever agree on everything any govt does.
Even themselves looking back will concede that.
And SF and the storey funeral debacle, was gross incompetence along with so many other things, does that make them incompetent and not fit for govt?