FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

James Brown · 08-01-2021 7:22pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Lads, you spent two years telling us that if Sinn Fein turned up in Westminister to vote down Brexit, that would drive Tories to vote for it just because Sinn Fein oppose it.

You can't come out with this sort of nonsense having spent so much time saying the opposite.

The above is completely made up.

To quote a friend of ours:

blanch152 wrote: »

Will you get up the yard with your made-up quotes and embellishments of what everyone else posts.
....

Both the DUP and Tories are okay with using each other. Like FF and FG, if it doesn't suit them, they'll walk away.
The suggestion is the Tories are incapable of doing what FG did, deal with a party they profess to having issues with, but when it's in their interest those concerns melt away

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 7:29pm

Bowie wrote: »

The above is completely made up.

To quote a friend of ours:

Both the DUP and Tories are okay with using each other. Like FF and FG, if it doesn't suit them, they'll walk away.
The suggestion is the Tories are incapable of doing what FG did, deal with a party they profess to having issues with, but when it's in their interest those concerns melt away

The suggestion from you is that the Tories would have no problem dealing with MON. That contradicts your position that there is no point in Sinn Fein dropping the abstentionist policy to prevent Brexit because the Tories would not deal with Sinn Fein and would therefore increase support for Brexit. Simple as.

Your last paragraph is a nonsense as after the last election FG made clear that they would not deal with SF under any circumstances.

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 7:32pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Go on, what legislation or policy have the coalition of chaos delivered since govt formation in June?

And you cannot claim anything from NPHET.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/find-bills-and-acts/?billType=acts&year%5B0%5D=2020&sortBy=billNumber&resultsPerPage=20

I count 22 Acts in 2020, only two of which were before June.

If you discount the greatest crisis to hit this country in its history, you are fooling yourself.

James Brown · 08-01-2021 7:37pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The suggestion from you is that the Tories would have no problem dealing with MON. That contradicts your position that there is no point in Sinn Fein dropping the abstentionist policy to prevent Brexit because the Tories would not deal with Sinn Fein and would therefore increase support for Brexit. Simple as.

Your last paragraph is a nonsense as after the last election FG made clear that they would not deal with SF under any circumstances.

'tis.

Don't recall ever saying such. Can you link or is it more made up stuff for colour? I don't live in the occupied portion of Ulster so I don't give the faux statlet's mechanics much thought.

Speaking on them sidling up to FF, the party had us practically eating out of bins as one FG'er put it. It's marriages of convenience. Do you think Boris has a clue or care about the DUP?

James Brown · 08-01-2021 7:39pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/find-bills-and-acts/?billType=acts&year%5B0%5D=2020&sortBy=billNumber&resultsPerPage=20

I count 22 Acts in 2020, only two of which were before June.

If you discount the greatest crisis to hit this country in its history, you are fooling yourself.

Yet we see folk dismiss record breaking year on year numbers of homeless children. Eye of the beholder is it?

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 7:40pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The suggestion from you is that the Tories would have no problem dealing with MON. That contradicts your position that there is no point in Sinn Fein dropping the abstentionist policy to prevent Brexit because the Tories would not deal with Sinn Fein and would therefore increase support for Brexit. Simple as.

Your last paragraph is a nonsense as after the last election FG made clear that they would not deal with SF under any circumstances.

FG deal with SF all over the country...work with them on committess etc etc...same as the Tories with MON and SF.

What's your point is after that only you know, because you aren't making a pile of sense.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 7:54pm

It's 'the people's fault' apparently, the same 'people' who had this down to less than 200 a day.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1347612504420200449

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 8:08pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's 'the people's fault' apparently, the same 'people' who had this down to less than 200 a day.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1347612504420200449

And your point is.......

Lookit.... if the people got the numbers down they also got the numbers up.

What are you on about..

The numbers down..... fair play to the people...

The numbers up..... all the gubbmints fault.

Would ya ever.....

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 8:13pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

And your point is.......

Lookit.... if the people got the numbers down they also got the numbers up.

What are you on about..

The numbers down..... fair play to the people...

The numbers up..... all the gubbmints fault.

Would ya ever.....

The numbers were gotten down because the people followed NPHET's advice, remember when the government said that was 'all they could do - FOLLOW the advice', remember when the cohort on here where saying the same thing?

It shouldn't be hard to remember because it matches the time your party soared in the polls because of how they handled the crisis...i.e. they followed the medical advice. The expert advice we are all paying for.

The numbers are out of control as the expert advice said they would be IF the government IGNORED the advice given.

Would YOU eva...

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 8:19pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The suggestion from you is that the Tories would have no problem dealing with MON. That contradicts your position that there is no point in Sinn Fein dropping the abstentionist policy to prevent Brexit because the Tories would not deal with Sinn Fein and would therefore increase support for Brexit. Simple as.

Your last paragraph is a nonsense as after the last election FG made clear that they would not deal with SF under any circumstances.

Bowie wrote: »

'tis.

Don't recall ever saying such. Can you link or is it more made up stuff for colour? I don't live in the occupied portion of Ulster so I don't give the faux statlet's mechanics much thought.

Speaking on them sidling up to FF, the party had us practically eating out of bins as one FG'er put it. It's marriages of convenience. Do you think Boris has a clue or care about the DUP?

Bowie wrote: »

The Tories would be having tea with MON if it was to their advantage. They only give Foster the time of day for votes. I think you are bringing the delusion of party ethics and political philosophy into the British Conservatives. Boris couldn't give a fig about unionism.

Don't ever accuse me of making stuff up again.

The above exchange demonstrates the blatant dishonesty in your posts.

If you are somehow going to say that "having tea with MON if it was to their advantage" is different to "would have no problem dealing with MON", that would be close to the most disingenuous post seen on this thread.

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 8:21pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

And your point is.......

Lookit.... if the people got the numbers down they also got the numbers up.

What are you on about..

The numbers down..... fair play to the people...

The numbers up..... all the gubbmints fault.

Would ya ever.....

Don't forget, it is only down here that it is all the gubbimint's fault. Up in the North, where hospital admissions are running at twice the rate down here, it is nothing to do with the SF party.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 8:24pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't forget, it is only down here that it is all the gubbimint's fault. Up in the North, where hospital admissions are running at twice the rate down here, it is nothing to do with the SF party.

Quick...somebody alert those whinging on SF thread that people are talking about FG, that somebody is trying to divert the FG/FF/Green one to talk about the Shinners.
Oh wait...they're the same person.

:D:D:D

James Brown · 08-01-2021 8:28pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't forget, it is only down here that it is all the gubbimint's fault. Up in the North, where hospital admissions are running at twice the rate down here, it is nothing to do with the SF party.

You seem to believe SF run the north. It's unbelievable really. Comments like you have here make you seem foolish.

Bishop of hope · 08-01-2021 8:48pm

Bowie wrote: »

You seem to believe SF run the north. It's unbelievable really. Comments like you have here make you seem foolish.

Who runs it?
It's a question I ask as it has relevance as to the GFA and any gain SF might be trying to claim credit for.

PearseCork92 · 08-01-2021 8:49pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't forget, it is only down here that it is all the gubbimint's fault. Up in the North, where hospital admissions are running at twice the rate down here, it is nothing to do with the SF party.

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/profiles/minister-health

James Brown · 08-01-2021 8:54pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Who runs it?
It's a question I ask as it has relevance as to the GFA and any gain SF might be trying to claim credit for.

DUP/SF et. al are caretakers on behalf of westminister. Ultimately the British conservatives would be allowing SF/DUP have some autonomy.
That's my understanding.
Do you think SF are in charge?

On the GFA. It was agreed by more than one side. Credit is due all involved IMO.

Anyway we know who runs the south. Making decisions on schools without consulting Teachers/Unions/Parents. Very stupid.

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 9:15pm

PearseCork92 wrote: »

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/profiles/minister-health

So the party I voted for has no responsibility for the coronavirus situation in the South because it doesn't hold the Health Ministry?

Don't be silly.

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 9:19pm

Bowie wrote: »

DUP/SF et. al are caretakers on behalf of westminister. Ultimately the British conservatives would be allowing SF/DUP have some autonomy.
That's my understanding.
Do you think SF are in charge?

On the GFA. It was agreed by more than one side. Credit is due all involved IMO.

Anyway we know who runs the south. Making decisions on schools without consulting Teachers/Unions/Parents. Very stupid.

Sinn Fein are caretakers on behalf of Westminister?

If I was to say that Sinn Fein in the North are only doing the job of the Queen for her, it would spark outrage across these boards, but in effect, that is what you are claiming.

James Brown · 08-01-2021 9:28pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are caretakers on behalf of Westminister?

If I was to say that Sinn Fein in the North are only doing the job of the Queen for her, it would spark outrage across these boards, but in effect, that is what you are claiming.

You have no clue on how the British govern it seems. The Queen doesn't set policy.
Do you seriously believe SF have the final say on how it works up there?
If so why are we not using the 'all island' suggestion to tackle covid?

This all stems from FF/FG supporters doing gymnastics to try whataboutery, which if successful still would not excuse the balls of governing coming from FF/FG/Greens. So it's childish and pointless.

PearseCork92 · 08-01-2021 9:30pm

Blanch and the rest of the true blue wrekkin' crew will be traumatised to her that per capita daily cases in the South are now running far in excess of the North.*

1,500 reported today in the North, 8,248 reported in the South.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2021/0108/1188461-coronavirus-ni/
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0108/1188403-coronavirus-ireland/

*Not because of the human element of the crisis of course, but because their crude political mudslinging strategy has expired like spoiled milk.

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 9:33pm

Bowie wrote: »

You have no clue on how the British govern it seems. The Queen doesn't set policy.
Do you seriously believe SF have the final say on how it works up there?
If so why are we not using the 'all island' suggestion to tackle covid?

This all stems from FF/FG supporters doing gymnastics to try whataboutery, which if successful still would not excuse the balls of governing coming from FF/FG/Greens. So it's childish and pointless.

The all-island approach from Mary-Lou two days ago was to keep the Leaving Cert going but cancel the A-levels.

Previously, Sinn Fein wanted to keep pubs and bookies open in the South, but close schools in the North.

If that is what is meant by an all-island approach, it needs to go back to the drawing-board.

An "all-island" approach is just politicking, in effect, SF are trying to troll and bait the unionists, rather than engage seriously in policy debate.

Fann Linn · 08-01-2021 9:36pm

A lot of blue shirt deflection on here about NI. FFG must be cocking up big time again down here.

Interesting piece this evening about HSE vaccination teams going round nursing homes with clipboards and pens taking down all the patient details as we still haven't got an IT system up and running. Not as if this virus hasn't been knocking around for almost a year here and us all knowing about every pharma company working towards a vaccine.

blanch152 · 08-01-2021 9:40pm

PearseCork92 wrote: »

Blanch and the rest of the true blue wrekkin' crew will be traumatised to her that per capita daily cases in the South are now running far in excess of the North.*

1,500 reported today in the North, 8,248 reported in the South.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2021/0108/1188461-coronavirus-ni/
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0108/1188403-coronavirus-ireland/

*Not because of the human element of the crisis of course, but because their crude political mudslinging strategy has expired like spoiled milk.

The reason for that is the failure of the DUP/SF government to put in place the requisite testing arrangements. Per capita, they can only test less than half the capacity down South.

The real scary figures from your links are in relation to hospitalisations.

South - "The number of patients with Covid-19 in ICU is 109, an increase of 13 since yesterday. There are 1,180 people in hospital with the disease"

North - "There has also been a big increase in hospitalisations with record 641 people confirmed Covid-19 patients. Of those 45 are in intensive care, with 36 on ventilators."

Per capita, this means that hospitalisations are running around 40% higher in the North, and around 20% higher for those in intensive care.

Unlike your post with it's superfluous reference to "true blue wrekkin' crew", I won't be indulging in similar gloating references. My thoughts are with the people of Northern Ireland who have put up with the shambolic politicians of the DUP and SF running the place.

Most horrifying at all is that the death toll in the North is running at nearly 50% higher than the South, even though the statistics in the North don't count all of the deaths from the virus.

Very sad for those people.

PearseCork92 · 08-01-2021 9:41pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

A lot of blue shirt deflection on here about NI. FFG must be cocking up big time again down here.

Interesting piece this evening about HSE vaccination teams going round nursing homes with clipboards and pens taking down all the patient details as we still haven't got an IT system up and running. Not as if this virus hasn't been knocking around for almost a year here and us all knowing about every pharma company working towards a vaccine.

I predicted a balls-up on the vaccination a long time back. Granted, it's the largest and most urgent public health roll-out in the country's history, but for the life of me I don't get how they didn't have a team snag-checking every element and scenarios of a mass vaccination campaign from the very start of the crisis.

PearseCork92 · 08-01-2021 10:03pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The reason for that is the failure of the DUP/SF government to put in place the requisite testing arrangements. Per capita, they can only test less than half the capacity down South.

The real scary figures from your links are in relation to hospitalisations.

South - "The number of patients with Covid-19 in ICU is 109, an increase of 13 since yesterday. There are 1,180 people in hospital with the disease"

North - "There has also been a big increase in hospitalisations with record 641 people confirmed Covid-19 patients. Of those 45 are in intensive care, with 36 on ventilators."

Per capita, this means that hospitalisations are running around 40% higher in the North, and around 20% higher for those in intensive care.

Unlike your post with it's superfluous reference to "true blue wrekkin' crew", I won't be indulging in similar gloating references. My thoughts are with the people of Northern Ireland who have put up with the shambolic politicians of the DUP and SF running the place.

Most horrifying at all is that the death toll in the North is running at nearly 50% higher than the South, even though the statistics in the North don't count all of the deaths from the virus.

Very sad for those people.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing?areaType=nation&areaName=Northern%20Ireland

Hard data. Over 15,000 tests conducted on Jan 7th in NI with a record of over 20,000 on the 1st of Jan.

From memory, the South's capacity is around 20,000 a day, so NI testing capacity per head is in excess of the Republic by a large margin.

You're not keeping up Blanch, your propaganda is months out of date.

James Brown · 08-01-2021 10:08pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The all-island approach from Mary-Lou two days ago was to keep the Leaving Cert going but cancel the A-levels.

Previously, Sinn Fein wanted to keep pubs and bookies open in the South, but close schools in the North.

If that is what is meant by an all-island approach, it needs to go back to the drawing-board.

An "all-island" approach is just politicking, in effect, SF are trying to troll and bait the unionists, rather than engage seriously in policy debate.

You're all over the place Blanch.
The all Island approach is regarding using a sea/air border for the entire island. It's in the name. It's not related to any education or farming policy that I know of.

Things change.

It's not.

Maybe because you don't understand it.

CrazyFather1 · 08-01-2021 11:34pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

A lot of blue shirt deflection on here about NI. FFG must be cocking up big time again down here.

Interesting piece this evening about HSE vaccination teams going round nursing homes with clipboards and pens taking down all the patient details as we still haven't got an IT system up and running. Not as if this virus hasn't been knocking around for almost a year here and us all knowing about every pharma company working towards a vaccine.

Do you have a link to the piece?

blanch152 · 09-01-2021 1:46am

Bowie wrote: »

You're all over the place Blanch.
The all Island approach is regarding using a sea/air border for the entire island. It's in the name. It's not related to any education or farming policy that I know of.

Things change.

It's not.

Maybe because you don't understand it.

Sorry, don't buy that at all.

A true "all-island" approach would see the same policies adopted North and South. However, Sinn Fein simultaneously oppose whatever the Irish government want and whatever the DUP want, just from a position of opposition for opposition's sake. A truly cynical approach to people dying - but not unfamiliar to Sinn Fein.

The "all-island" approach proposed by Sinn Fein is purely for political purposes, to create an illusion of a unitary political unit. It is cynical, it is opportunistic, and it does nothing to save lives, only sow further division.

Anyone who is not a SF supporter can see this clearly.

blanch152 · 09-01-2021 1:56am

PearseCork92 wrote: »

I'd rather be benchmarking Ireland's vaccine rollout performance to places like Germany, Taiwan or South Korea thankyouverymuch.

PearseCork92 wrote: »

I predicted a balls-up on the vaccination a long time back. Granted, it's the largest and most urgent public health roll-out in the country's history, but for the life of me I don't get how they didn't have a team snag-checking every element and scenarios of a mass vaccination campaign from the very start of the crisis.

This just shows up the blatant hypocrisy of anti-government posters.

First they want to compare Ireland to Taiwan or South Korea.
Second, they bemoan the delays in vaccination.

What they are missing though is the fact that Taiwan and South Korea haven't vaccinated anyone yet, and are waiting until February. Classic hypocrisy from some.

Ireland is running a middle course between countries like New Zealand and Taiwan on the one hand, and UK, France and the US on the other, because of our unique geographical situation, but some people just are not capable of understanding why, yet if the government proposed closing the border with Northern Ireland, they would be the first to whinge and cry.

smurgen · 09-01-2021 2:40am

blanch152 wrote: »

This just shows up the blatant hypocrisy of anti-government posters.

First they want to compare Ireland to Taiwan or South Korea.
Second, they bemoan the delays in vaccination.

What they are missing though is the fact that Taiwan and South Korea haven't vaccinated anyone yet, and are waiting until February. Classic hypocrisy from some.

Ireland is running a middle course between countries like New Zealand and Taiwan on the one hand, and UK, France and the US on the other, because of our unique geographical situation, but some people just are not capable of understanding why, yet if the government proposed closing the border with Northern Ireland, they would be the first to whinge and cry.

We're not vaccinating fast enough because of our unique geographical situation lol. Is there not a conspiracy their forum for nonsense posts?