FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

markodaly

smurgen wrote: »

You'd get 55 headbangers anywhere. Sure look at all the folk that complained about rte and the religious skit. The fact they had to mention support emails to a national newspaper and there was so little it was countable is mortifying.

Then your issue is not with the Government, its with the Journalist who thought it was a good story to see how many people emails/sent letters to the Tainaiste regarding his takedown of NEPHET some months back....

Write a letter to the editor of that publication, you are free to do so.

McMurphy

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill also got "torn a new one" for her tweet yesterday, there's a few epic takedowns in there, few of those lads and ladies will be "blocked" when she gets out of her four poster inn this morning I should think.

https://twitter.com/CarrollJennifer/status/1349110323886886914?s=19

smurgen

McMurphy wrote: »

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill also got "torn a new one" for her tweet yesterday, there's a few epic takedowns in there, few of those lads and ladies will be "blocked" when she gets out of her four poster inn this morning I should think.

https://twitter.com/CarrollJennifer/status/1349110323886886914?s=19

She's a typical blueshirt cheerleaders. Waiting for her bump to special advisor.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill also got "torn a new one" for her tweet yesterday, there's a few epic takedowns in there, few of those lads and ladies will be "blocked" when she gets out of her four poster inn this morning I should think.

https://twitter.com/CarrollJennifer/status/1349110323886886914?s=19

I’m failing to see what’s wrong with that tweet. She’s saying that no one should have facilitated the abuse suffered in those homes. Isn’t that what we’re all saying?

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m failing to see what’s wrong with that tweet. She’s saying that no one should have facilitated the abuse suffered in those homes. Isn’t that what we’re all saying?

She's being reminded (or perhaps educated, you never know with some of these head in the sand zealots) that her party were in government for many of the years these atrocities took place.

Therefore her party must share some of the blame.

It's not difficult to understand really.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

The FG/FF led Cork county Council deciding whether or not to allow apartments be built were bodies are believed to be buried on the Bessborough grounds is a nice touch.

major interest wrote: »

There’s a SHD application gone in to An Bord Pleanála for an area near Bessborough. Also separate proposal for the adjacent site which will have to go through standard planning via council (as it’s less than 100 units).

http://www.gatewayviewshd.ie/

Oh dear, another poster caught out with fake news or a failure to understand the planning process or just too lazy to research their post.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

She's being reminded (or perhaps educated, you never know with some of these head in the sand zealots) that her party were in government for many of the years these atrocities took place.

Therefore her party must share some of the blame.

It's not difficult to understand really.

She will probably complain about being 'bullied by bots on de internet' when in fact here argument was demolished by people more eloquent and more in touch with reality, than her.

Floppybits

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She will probably complain about being 'bullied by bots on de internet' when in fact here argument was demolished by people more eloquent and more in touch with reality, than her.

Seems to be one of the standard go to for politicians, party members or supporters when they are getting a bit of a hard time.

Usually it is 1. Bullied by bots, 2. Its fake news, 3. My account was hacked, 4. But but but but SF.

Floppybits

blanch152 wrote: »

Oh dear, another poster caught out with fake news or a failure to understand the planning process or just too lazy to research their post.

And here we see it. Throw the auld Fake news to distract.

Fann Linn

Survivors not too happy with release of this document and some of the content included. Why the rush from FFG to push this through? One woman on CB now says her account is full of inaccuracies.

grayzer75

Fann Linn wrote: »

Survivors not too happy with release of this document and some of the content included. Why the rush from FFG to push this through? One woman on CB now says her account is full of inaccuracies.

It will help divert attention to the current Covid sh*tshow. They're now asking healthcare workers to return back to work if they are showing no symptoms because we all know you have to show symptoms to carry and transmit the virus :rolleyes:

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0113/1189371-coronavirus-ireland/

Fann Linn

grayzer75 wrote: »

It will help divert attention to the current Covid sh*tshow. They're now asking healthcare workers to return back to work if they are showing no symptoms because we all know you have to show symptoms to carry and transmit the virus :rolleyes:

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0113/1189371-coronavirus-ireland/

FFS. As if the figures weren't high enough. Then again, a lot of the party supporters on here think those numbers are 'fake news', so not really surprised.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

She's being reminded (or perhaps educated, you never know with some of these head in the sand zealots) that her party were in government for many of the years these atrocities took place.

Therefore her party must share some of the blame.

It's not difficult to understand really.

Where were the families when these unfortunates were being abused? Where were the fathers? Hiding behind mammies skirts. Because she and daddy didn’t want that sort of girl having a claim on their farm, house, business.
It wasn’t just the government or churches fault.

smurgen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where were the families when these unfortunates were being abused? Where were the fathers? Hiding behind mammies skirts. Because she and daddy didn’t want that sort of girl having a claim on their farm, house, business.
It wasn’t just the government or churches fault.

But did the families starve the babies?

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Where were the families when these unfortunates were being abused? Where were the fathers? Hiding behind mammies skirts. Because she and daddy didn’t want that sort of girl having a claim on their farm, house, business.
It wasn’t just the government or churches fault.

The 'families' were living in fear of the stigma. A stigma fostered by the Church which had been given unprecedented control by the governing parties, either through weakness or through a vested interest for themselves.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'families' were living in fear of the stigma. A stigma fostered by the Church which had been given unprecedented control by the governing parties, either through weakness or through a vested interest for themselves.

Or living in fear of an unmarried mother having a claim on their property.

Fann Linn

smurgen wrote: »

But did the families starve the babies?

Or sell them?

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Or living in fear of an unmarried mother having a claim on their property.

Based on the stigma of an unmarried person having a claim.

'Stigma', Maryanne, fostered and encouraged by a controlling church with the institutions of the State enforcing that control.

German society did not stand indicted for what happened in WW2, the Nazis who controlled the personnel and institutions of the German government of the time did.

smurgen

Fann Linn wrote: »

Or sell them?

Also did people know the stats? We're they aware that Bessborough in the 40's had a 82% mortality rate? I think that would have colored public perceptions at the time. Did people know what was really happening? I doubt it.

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

Also did people know the stats? We're they aware that Bessborough in the 40's had a 82% mortality rate? I think that would have colored public perceptions at the time. Did people know what was really happening? I doubt it.

Did people really care? Out of sight, out of mind. Let someone else take care of the problem.

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

But did the families starve the babies?

Read the report, they were farmed out and abused all over Ireland.
I knew a few and am good friends with two that came through that system so it's not that long ago, probably the seventies they were sent out.
Home boys they were called, or girls.
They were virtually slaves in a lot of cases, took for business purposes to work for their keep with no rights within any family as regards pay or succession rights.
So the answer to your question is yes in loads of cases as they weren't fed all that well either a lot of the time.
Stigmatised by being reffered to as home boys or girls and looked down on as such by our caring society that had no idea what was going on, spare me the bull****.

Cluedo Monopoly

Deleted User wrote: »

Did people really care? Out of sight, out of mind. Let someone else take care of the problem.

Choose your words Mary if you want to play the cold apologist. The treatment the mothers and babies got in the homes was inhumane.

Looking at the mortality rates, it would appear there was lethal neglect.

Fann Linn

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Choose your words Mary if you want to play the cold apologist. The treatment the mothers and babies got in the homes was inhumane.

Looking at the mortality rates, it would appear there was lethal neglect.

Exactly. Illustrated by the amount of 'private' cases were children 'died in care'.

FrancieBrady

A zinger from Pádraig Mac Lochlainn

I am tired of the voices in Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil preaching to us about “learning our history” while insisting that the legacy of Michael Collins and Constance Markievicz is all THEIRS but that the legacy of the Mother and Baby Homes is all OURS

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

Then your issue is not with the Government, its with the Journalist who thought it was a good story to see how many people emails/sent letters to the Tainaiste regarding his takedown of NEPHET some months back....

Write a letter to the editor of that publication, you are free to do so.

Or maybe comment on it in a discussion forum specifically for the FF/FG/Green government parties?
Are you saying he's not allowed raise it on here?

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A zinger from Pádraig Mac Lochlainn

A “zinger” is right Francie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pádraig_Mac_Lochlainn

Interesting background........ verrrrry interesting.............uhmmmm:cool:

FrancieBrady

From the current overseer of Direct Provision:

"We must learn the lesson that institutionalisation creates power structures, and abuses of power, and must never again be an option for our country in any circumstance."

They must think we are complete idiots?

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

A “zinger” is right Francie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pádraig_Mac_Lochlainn

Interesting background........ verrrrry interesting.............uhmmmm:cool:

What is interesting you Brendi?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Oh dear, another poster caught out with fake news or a failure to understand the planning process or just too lazy to research their post.

So your only interest these days is not to comment but try and fail to score digs. Sad.
What fake news exactly? My comment is 100% correct.

“We have treated this developer with respect by agreeing to provide them with a copy of our submission to the commission through Cork City Council, and now while we wait for the commission’s final report and the chance to mark the graves of the babies and women, it has done this,” survivors spokesperson Catherine Coffey O'Brien said.

Now only yesterday you were pretending you wanted to discuss topics, (you agree with) and not concentrate on the poster. Was it 'Fake News', to borrow your Trumpism?

James Brown

Fann Linn wrote: »

Survivors not too happy with release of this document and some of the content included. Why the rush from FFG to push this through? One woman on CB now says her account is full of inaccuracies.

Lady was on the radio asking why no mention of the Garda or FF/FG politicians who would have known and allowed it.