FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

FreudianSlippers

Bowie wrote: »

If you heard the survivors on the report you'd know the blind eye is still being turned by the state today.
We are talking generations of complicit behaviour from successive FF/FG governments. IMO that's why they refuse to tackle this issue in a complete manner. They are worried about votes.
What other parties may or may not have done doesn't come into it IMO.

Sorry maybe quote from the commission findings if you want to be taken remotely seriously.

FreudianSlippers

blanch152 wrote: »

You are using victims in a shameless way to try to score cheap inaccurate political points on an anonymous internet site.

So why would you be bothered with what-if navel gazing?

Pseudonymous, remember that they're super easy to unmask with court orders, particularly after they make defamatory statements.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

You are using victims in a shameless way to try to score cheap inaccurate political points on an anonymous internet site.

So why would you be bothered with what-if navel gazing?

What is shameless about justice for these victims blanch?

They died because nobody in power cared enough.

FrancieBrady

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Pseudonymous, remember that they're super easy to unmask with court orders, particularly after they make defamatory statements.

Who have I defamed?

FreudianSlippers

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am not bothered imagining another party into the situation to dilute the blame of the two parties who swapped power between them while nothing, absolutely nothing changed. The two of them are equally culpable.

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I think you're probably correct, but I don't see any evidence that any other party in power would have done anything differently do you?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well yes I do.

Ok.

FreudianSlippers

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who have I defamed?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Freudian Slippers and others attempts to dilute the responsibility here is to be complicit in it IMO.

You called me and others "complicit". I could genuinely let a trainee draft this one up for me it's such an easy one.

Edit: Actually, simply saying I'm attempting to "dilute the responsibility" is pretty bad.

FreudianSlippers

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is shameless about justice for these victims blanch?

They died because nobody in power cared enough.

I just want to point out that despite the faux outrage and concern, this poster has not once ever posted in the Mothers and baby homes thread.

Not.
A.
Single.
Post.

Necro

Mod:

Can we move on from the usual willy waving contest folks and discuss the topic at hand. There is a seperate thread for the Mother and Baby homes discussion which you can all knock yourselves out in. Thanks

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

We are on the FF/FG/Green thread. None of them correspond to your description.

I blamed the exclusionary nationalist and republican viewpoint of the FF party of the 1930s and 1940s for much of what happened. They wanted to create a self-sufficient Catholic little island, they veered differently from an economic perspective once Lemass became Taoiseach, but they never really lost their societal viewpoint of Catholic nationalism which lingered right up until Michael Woods did the disgraceful deal with the Church.

I am very wary of that type of ideology. Nationalism in its various forms, be that fascistic, racist, socialist, or republican is the biggest threat to peace and human rights.

When I said: "rebrands and has a councilor today who admires their fascist roots" I was talking about Fine Gael and Councilor O'Leary.

So if I'm following here, terrorism was okay because it was so long ago therefore FG/FF links to it are fine...but the state being complicit in what the religious orders engaged in is on the republican views of FF/FG at the time but not today, even though we are talking 30/40 years ago and present day with state road blocks put up and a not fit for purpose report. Is that right?

Where do the church/Garda/FF/FG fit in? Are they the fascistic, racist, socialist, or republican?

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who have I defamed?

Like the topic at hand FF/FG are unlikely to open any can of worms puts them in the spotlight.

It would be amusing to see any lawyer to the stars try make some legal case because a person made a valid comment on political parties.

Bubbaclaus

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Great to see the vaccine rollout going so well, one of best in the EU so far and indeed globally. Once we have enough vaccine supply we will start to hopefully see real differences in hospitalizations with this virus.

To add to this post, we are 2nd in the EU currently out of the EU27:

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1349748336404869123?s=19

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

To add to this post, we are 2nd in the EU currently out of the EU27:

https://twitter.com/redouad/status/1349748336404869123?s=19

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

Brendan Bendar

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Can we move on from the usual willy waving contest folks and discuss the topic at hand. There is a seperate thread for the Mother and Baby homes discussion which you can all knock yourselves out in. Thanks

You can sit back and absolve yourself from that criticism,Mary.

No wonder you threw in a thanks.:p

Rest of us have to ‘suck it up’

(No pun intended)

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You can sit back and absolve yourself from that criticism,Mary.

No wonder you threw in a thanks.:p

Rest of us have to ‘suck it up’

(No pun intended)

I was thanking the “Willy waving contest” Haven’t laughed so much in some time. There’s little in my life to encourage laughter at the moment!

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

It's a shame we can't roll out this in some comfort. It is now a race against time and shouldn't be.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

I was thanking the “Willy waving contest” Haven’t laughed so much in some time. There’s little in my life to encourage laughter at the moment!

Sorry to hear that..... lookit.... don’t take things to seriously.

Back on topic now.....

Jinglejangle69

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

Who's fault would it be if we were slow JJ...the people's probably, not queuing up properly or something something

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

Yet here you are cynically attacking my support for frontline workers to get a political dig in.

Who am I missing, the lad who got 14 million to order substandard machines from China or the ministers who flouted their own regulations or the ministers who took the hump with NPHET or the ones over saw us being worst in the world?

Can I not just commend the frontline workers?

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

Absolutely agree on that.
We will get vaccinated hopefully sooner than might have been planned with more vaccination types getting approval.
Sad that we are where we are now and unfortunately for hundreds if not thousands it will come too late in the day.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Absolutely agree on that.
We will get vaccinated hopefully sooner than might have been planned with more vaccination types getting approval.
Sad that we are where we are now and unfortunately for hundreds if not thousands it will come too late in the day.

Agreed. This going well is in everybody's interest.
The mistakes are hopefully behind us.

FrancieBrady

Josepha getting foot stuck in mouth again.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1349780241556926466

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Josepha getting foot stuck in mouth again.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1349780241556926466

Proving that a good education is no guarantee of intelligence.

Bubbaclaus

Bowie wrote: »

Well done to the healthcare frontliners.

Interesting. So when you felt the vaccine rollout wasn't going so well, and you made these posts in this thread (a thread about the government), you actually meant it about frontline healthcare workers?

Bowie wrote: »

'Piss up in a brewery' comes to mind.

Bowie wrote: »

Like Brexit, (just you wait) the vaccinations are arriving and they are dithering and talking about 'safety' when we know that's code for 'organising'. Incapable of being organised or prepared.

A bit inconsistent there Bowie.

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Interesting. So when you felt the vaccine rollout wasn't going so well, and you made these posts in this thread (a thread about the government), you actually meant it about frontline healthcare workers?





A bit inconsistent there Bowie.

Important use of your time?
Can you tell me which frontline workers make policy or organise the logistics of importing and purchasing the vaccines or organising the red tape required before vaccines can be used? If you can, I was talking about them.
Alternatively if you can point to any policy makers who are risking their own health to ensure we get people vaccinated I'll praise them too.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm sure if we were slow you would be the first one blaming the government and the HSE.

No mention of them now we're doing well.

All about politics with you lads, never about the good of the country.

Ya we need to be more like Leo. We pay double European mortgage rates over Bobby Storey

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1349711534621134849?s=19

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Interesting. So when you felt the vaccine rollout wasn't going so well, and you made these posts in this thread (a thread about the government), you actually meant it about frontline healthcare workers?





A bit inconsistent there Bowie.

When did sourcing and securing vaccination doses become the responsibility of front line healthcare workers? I thought they could only distribute what was provided to them through govt procurement processes tbh?

Maybe they can use these new powers invested in them to source some of the astrazeneca vaccine before it has been approved by the EU, and start administering it too.

I for one will put more effort into my next clap for them.

Floppybits

FG looking after their own ahead of everyone else.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/frustration-as-staff-at-private-hospital-that-refused-to-agree-hse-deal-are-vaccinated-ahead-of-public-healthcare-workers-39970335.html?__twitter_impression=true

FrancieBrady

Holly Cairns destroying FG Colm Burke on Tonight show. He's floundering around in waffle on the M&B issue

Suckit

Floppybits wrote: »

FG looking after their own ahead of everyone else.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/frustration-as-staff-at-private-hospital-that-refused-to-agree-hse-deal-are-vaccinated-ahead-of-public-healthcare-workers-39970335.html?__twitter_impression=true

Is Denis still in the country availing of the tax free exemption for exiles that Leo set up in March, so he could stay here with the better care system?