FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

FreudianSlippers

RandomViewer wrote: »

Covid thread has story of vaccine being administered to management of private hospital rather than care staff this is a bad look, suspicion that cronies are getting vaccinated ahead of those more deserving,

Maybe I'm missing something, but how is that the Government's fault?

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

Just pointing out his lack of personal responsibility. He shouts about everything he believes that the government does wrong, (like some posters on here) yet behaves so irresponsibly.

What was irresponsible about going to a restaurant so long as he and the restaurant were adhering to NPHET advice and guidelines?

Can you be more specific, or is it, as I suspected, white noise scutter?

RandomViewer

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something, but how is that the Government's fault?

Vaccinations are being overseen by Dept of Health, if there is impropriety it's up to them to bring charges and make a very visual example of those who stole vaccinations

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

Covid thread has story of vaccine being administered to management of private hospital rather than care staff this is a bad look, suspicion that cronies are getting vaccinated ahead of those more deserving,

And who organises this? Do you think Ministers are going around organising who gets vaccinated first?

Some suspicions are not that much different to conspiracy theories.

We had people complaining that "back-office" staff were getting the vaccine ahead of "front-line" staff. Turns out that the back-office staff were the administrators you meet when you turn up at A&E to sign-in - among the most vulnerable of healthcare staff to the virus as there has been no screening of patients done.

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

Vaccinations are being overseen by Dept of Health, if there is impropriety it's up to them to bring charges and make a very visual example of those who stole vaccinations

Who stole vaccinations? You are throwing around accusations without any evidence.

FreudianSlippers

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm not here to speak of the relevance, but let's get one thing clear about PM, he's an absolute hypocrite. He's out in all media the last 10 days or more moaning about the Government relaxing restrictions over Christmas, saying it was the worst idea ever when he won't even take personal responsibility to not take full advantage of those relaxations.

It's like if the purge was brought in and PM went out and murdered killed (forgot the plot of The Purge there for a sec) someone during the purge, then less than a fortnight later was jumping up and down being like "I can't believe all the people that were murdered during the purge. The Government is totally responsible for all of this!"

McMurphy wrote: »

What was irresponsible about going to a restaurant so long as he and the restaurant were adhering to NPHET advice and guidelines?

Can you be more specific, or is it, as I suspected, white noise scutter?

Freudian put it much better than me. Many thousands, possibly millions of us used a bit of cop on and stayed home, even though we could have gone out socialising if we wanted.

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Who stole vaccinations? You are throwing around accusations without any evidence.

If someone who is not in the groups earmarked for vaccination gets a vaccine ahead of those groups it is a stolen vaccination, this looks very bad and needs a statement from government and sanctions for anyone involved, you have to see the big picture instead of the blinkered view

McMurphy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'm not here to speak of the relevance, but let's get one thing clear about PM, he's an absolute hypocrite. He's out in all media the last 10 days or more moaning about the Government relaxing restrictions over Christmas, saying it was the worst idea ever when he won't even take personal responsibility to not take full advantage of those relaxations.

It's like if the purge was brought in and PM went out and murdered killed (forgot the plot of The Purge there for a sec) someone during the purge, then less than a fortnight later was jumping up and down being like "I can't believe all the people that were murdered during the purge. The Government is totally responsible for all of this!"

I'm not up to speed with Paul Murphy's complaints over the relaxation of restrictions, can you link to them please and I can form an opinion?

However, whether he was or was not complaining about restrictions being relaxed, the poster mentioned him being irresponsible visiting a restaurant pre-christmas.

Have you any opinion on what exactly was irresponsible about his visit to a restaurant, like surely for anyone to form that opinion must have more information on what made them reach that decision?

Did he or the restaurant break restrictions or guideline's or NPHETs advice?

Wasn't in any restaurants myself over Christmas, but if I had, would I have been irresponsible for doing so, even if I stuck to guidelines?

Can we scour the internet for evidence of and any all political figures and public representatives that visited restaurants before Christmas and claim they're irresponsible too?

Is this more white noise irrelevant shyte thrown at the wall, hoping some will stick? Stay tuned, when hopefully these questions will be answered later.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

Freudian put it much better than me. Many thousands, possibly millions of us used a bit of cop on and stayed home, even though we could have gone out socialising if we wanted.

Great, now we're getting to the nub of the issue.

So, the government advised it was safe to visit restaurants and gastro pubs etc pre Christmas, so long as people exercised caution, and both they, and the businesses adhered to public health advice and guidelines.

However, all those people who decided to take the government advice on board and visit a restaurant or pub, in accordance with NPHETs advice and guidelines are now irresponsible for doing so.

To sum it up:,

• people ignoring the government guidelines are not exercising personal responsibility, and being irresponsible.
  
• People following government guidelines are being irresponsible too.

Seems the lucky ones are the dead and no longer with us, as they're not sticking to, or ignoring govt advice, therefore they'll not be accused of being irresponsible or having a lack of personal responsibility.

Do you ever sit back and read back the complete and utter shyte you type out Mary?

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Great, now we're getting to the nub of the issue.

So, the government advised it was safe to visit restaurants and gastro pubs etc pre Christmas, so long as people exercised caution, and both they, and the businesses adhered to public health advice and guidelines.

However, all those people who decided to take the government advice on board and visit a restaurant or pub, in accordance with NPHETs advice and guidelines are now irresponsible for doing so.

To sum it up:,

• people ignoring the government guidelines are not exercising personal responsibility, and being irresponsible.
  
• People following government guidelines are being irresponsible too.

Seems the lucky ones are the dead and no longer with us, as they're not sticking to, or ignoring govt advice, therefore they'll not be accused of being irresponsible or having a lack of personal responsibility.

Do you ever sit back and read back the complete and utter shyte you type out Mary?

Paul Murphy claims that NPHET warned against opening of restaurants etc., in the lead up to Christmas, yet thought it ok to go out for a meal because the government, whose policies he continually criticises, said that it was ok. Hypocrite. Chancer.
The difference between his utterances and yours is the better quality of his choice of words.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Gee, there was me thinking that it’s a thread to slate everything that the current government does! They even get the blame for stuff that happened before some of them were actually born!
I was surprised to hear that the champion of the underprivileged, Paul Murphy, went out to a restaurant over Christmas.

Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland.
They get the 'blame' for sweeping the stuff that happened before they were born under the carpet and further victimizing those who have suffered enough...right across society, from cervical check to M&B homes.
Happy to stand with selective victims and ignore, further victimise others.

THAT is what they are being criticised for.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

Paul Murphy claims that NPHET warned against opening of restaurants etc., in the lead up to Christmas, yet thought it ok to go out for a meal because the government, whose policies he continually criticises, said that it was ok. Hypocrite. Chancer.
The difference between his utterances and yours is the better quality of his choice of words.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess what Murphy was actually claiming was something to do about NPHETs warning about the govt having to choose between pubs/restaurants etc being open, and that of socialising, and how they should do one, or the other, but not do both.

The govt ignored that advice from NPHET, and the results of them choosing to ignore it can now be seen.

Have you a link to Murphy's claims, or will I have to just take your word for it?


However, this doesn't ignore the other claim you made (don't think you're getting away with that one either), people who took the government advice about it being ok to visit a pub or restaurant over Christmas are irresponsible.

Are you standing over that comment yeah?

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess what Murphy was actually claiming was something to do about NPHETs warning about the govt having to choose between pubs/restaurants etc being open, and that of socialising, and how they should do one, or the other, but not do both.

The govt ignored that advice from NPHET, and the results of them choosing to ignore it can now be seen.

Have you a link to Murphy's claims, or will I have to just take your word for it?


However, this doesn't ignore the other claim you made (don't think you're getting away with that one either), people who took the government advice about it being ok to visit a pub or restaurant over Christmas are irresponsible.

Are you standing over that comment yeah?

And what do you know, that's exactly what he was doing.

https://www.facebook.com/paulmurphytd/videos/312318850111025/

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

And what do you know, that's exactly what he was doing.

https://www.facebook.com/paulmurphytd/videos/312318850111025/

It could also read that Paul Murphy ignored NPHET warnings. Do as I say, not as I do.

FreudianSlippers

McMurphy wrote: »

What was irresponsible about going to a restaurant so long as he and the restaurant were adhering to NPHET advice and guidelines?

Can you be more specific, or is it, as I suspected, white noise scutter?

The relaxation of rules prior to and including Christmas was outside NPHET guidelines.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

It could also read that Paul Murphy ignored NPHET warnings. Do as I say, not as I do.

It could, if you have evidence he did both things together. I'm guessing you don't though.

I'll ask again, are you going to stand over your statement about responsible people staying at home and irresponsible visiting restaurants etc, that was the claim you made, and I'd like you to clarify please.

McMurphy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

The relaxation of rules prior to and including Christmas was outside NPHET guidelines.

As I was saying, NPHET were giving a one or the other advice well before Christmas.

“If you are planning on meeting elderly relatives [at Christmas], if you are planning on meeting other households now is not the time to be socialising with friends,” he said.

On Friday, restaurants and gastropubs will begin reopening with restrictions in place. From 18 December, inter-county travel and home visitor restrictions will be eased allowing families and friends to gather at Christmas.

This evening, Dr Glynn painted a one-or-the-other scenario facing the public as Ireland moves back to Level 3.

“Obviously we will want people to celebrate Christmas in a particular way when the time comes but there are things they need to be doing now to keep themselves safe in advance of doing that,” he said.

Leo and Michaél decided to ignore it though, witness the repercussions now.

James Brown

Floppybits wrote: »

FG looking after their own ahead of everyone else.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/frustration-as-staff-at-private-hospital-that-refused-to-agree-hse-deal-are-vaccinated-ahead-of-public-healthcare-workers-39970335.html?__twitter_impression=true

If we learned anything from the last crash, nothing, no scandal, no national crises gets in the way of FG looking after their own.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

I guess your post below aged well, didn't it?



Credibility in short supply.

I take it you missed this?

Bowie wrote: »

Important use of your time?
Can you tell me which frontline workers make policy or organise the logistics of importing and purchasing the vaccines or organising the red tape required before vaccines can be used? If you can, I was talking about them.
Alternatively if you can point to any policy makers who are risking their own health to ensure we get people vaccinated I'll praise them too.

You wouldn't be posting pretending you missed it would you?
Credibility indeed....

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

That's grand Bowie. I just wanted to clarify that:

Vaccine rollout apparently going badly: all Government fault (piss up in a brewery)
Vaccine rollout apparently going well: Nothing to do with Government.

As long as we are all on the same page in regards to your viewpoint.

This is your imagination running away with you or you taking a comment and trying to twist it to score points in some game.

So we can't thank frontline workers without FF/FG supporters needing their bottle or a pat on the head.

The state made a balls of rolling out the vaccine. They seem to have caught up. Well done.
You okay now? :rolleyes:

By the way, is this 'the state' as in all of us, as far as the mother and baby homes re the flawed not fit for purpose report or 'the state' as in FF/FG because it's good news?

James Brown

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Just curious as to how government take all responsibility if things apparently aren't going well and none of the responsibility when it is. Seems to be a common viewpoint around here.

Not expecting to change anyones minds, just find it quite amusing

"Wow" indeed

It seems to be a 'small or far away' situation.

Frontline workers put their health on the line vaccinating people, now they have the vaccine. They are the ones rolling up sleeves, delivering the vaccine and so on.

The FF/FG/Green government are the ones organised supplying it. They initially made a balls of it.

You with me?

James Brown

grayzer75 wrote: »

Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill jointly wrote to the Irish government and asked for a north / south ministerial council meeting back in July to address the potential issues around travel into the country if there was another surge in cases but Mehole and the Leak didn't bother responding. It was on both the UTV and BBC news programmes at tea-time yesterday.

They also said they have been asking for information sharing regarding passengers arriving into the country and made reference to the passenger locator forms which no doubt nobody looks at, again they have got no response from Dublin.

They can't feed the Shinners. Any all island approach helps the shinners. Keeping them out is more important.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

I take it you missed this?



You wouldn't be posting pretending you missed it would you?
Credibility indeed....

I can keep digging out posts where you blame FF/FG for the vaccine roll-out which turned out to be the second-best in Europe so far. Here is another one:

Bowie wrote: »

Well it's par for the course with FF/FG governance. As long as 'it's worse elsewhere' sure it's grand.

Stop digging would be my advice to you. You look more and more silly each time you try and defend yourself.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It's actually hilarious.

As I said yesterday, they don't care for the good of the country, all about politics.

Would rather see a slow rollout of the vaccine so they can have a dig at the government.

This is the politics of the opposition.

You know this all started when I thanked frontline workers?

Then you chimed in ironically claiming 'we' made everything about politics.

You couldn't make it up. Some obviously can.

FF/FG need put their ego aside and accept the ****show reality.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

It seems to be a 'small or far away' situation.

Frontline workers put their health on the line vaccinating people, now they have the vaccine. They are the ones rolling up sleeves, delivering the vaccine and so on.

The FF/FG/Green government are the ones organised supplying it. They initially made a balls of it.

You with me?

Oh, this would be hilarious if it weren't such a serious issue. I have never seen anything so deluded posted on this site.

We are fifteen days into the vaccination process, actually only 10 working days, we are vaccinating at the second best rate in Europe, it is only beginning, but you come out with "they initally made a balls of it". We are still in the initial stages of a vaccination process that will take the guts of a year!!!! There is still time for the government to make a balls of the initial stages as they are not over yet!!!!!

James Brown

darem93 wrote: »

But I thought it was all the North’s fault? The reason why we couldn’t have any control at the airports is because the North refused to cooperate and everyone would fly in via Belfast and just cross the border!!!

Day by day the absolute insanity of the Irish government’s position on international travel is becoming more and more apparent.

Ah, when it's shinners a partner in a satellite authority overseen by Westminister it's the shinners fault.

When it's worst in the world down south...

Deleted User wrote: »

Indeed. It all comes down to personal responsibility across all (5K) walks of life.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

And who organises this? Do you think Ministers are going around organising who gets vaccinated first?

Some suspicions are not that much different to conspiracy theories.

We had people complaining that "back-office" staff were getting the vaccine ahead of "front-line" staff. Turns out that the back-office staff were the administrators you meet when you turn up at A&E to sign-in - among the most vulnerable of healthcare staff to the virus as there has been no screening of patients done.

Can you tell us why they are getting it ahead of HSE staff?

Politicians looking after their own has been shown to happen.

Mother and baby homes: Republicans and families.
Private staff getting vaccined ahead of HSE, why?: Conspiracy theory.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

I can keep digging out posts where you blame FF/FG for the vaccine roll-out which turned out to be the second-best in Europe so far. Here is another one:



Stop digging would be my advice to you. You look more and more silly each time you try and defend yourself.

You are embarrassing yourself compounding your 'err' on this.
I am blaming them for making a balls of it. I've never denied that.
You are moving the goal posts.
I thanked and commended frontline workers for actually doing the work on the ground.
I acknowledged the vaccine rollout is now looking on track, due to you and your fellow travelers needing a political hug.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Oh, this would be hilarious if it weren't such a serious issue. I have never seen anything so deluded posted on this site.

We are fifteen days into the vaccination process, actually only 10 working days, we are vaccinating at the second best rate in Europe, it is only beginning, but you come out with "they initally made a balls of it". We are still in the initial stages of a vaccination process that will take the guts of a year!!!! There is still time for the government to make a balls of the initial stages as they are not over yet!!!!!

So you don't read what you post.

Complete strawman as per usual.

Red tape blamed for Covid-19 vaccine rollout delays

I guess you forgot...

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

You are embarrassing yourself compounding your 'err' on this.
I am blaming them for making a balls of it. I've never denied that.
You are moving the goal posts.
I thanked and commended frontline workers for actually doing the work on the ground.
I acknowledged the vaccine rollout is now looking on track, due to you and your fellow travelers needing a political hug.

10 days in, the vaccine rollout is on track, yet somehow the government made a balls of it. All in the same post.

You are gas.