FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Even FG knew what a liability he was, they hid a 'Minister' for the entire campaign, so much so that questions were asked about his whereabouts on one of the compelling issues of that campaign - housing and homelessness.

It was disgusting during the election run up. National crises swept under the rug and ministers hiding.

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

It was disgusting during the election run up. National crises swept under the rug and ministers hiding.

At least two hiding or more likely locked up because FG knew they were toxic. Not that it fooled anyone.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What worked at the start will not work now...how much evidence do we need of that.

What we need is the impression at least of the seriousness of the situation coming from the top down.

A national government to deal with the crisis specifically...let them govern away on other issues, would convey that impression. Everybody, sleeves rolled up working together in the 'national' interest.

Christ almighty, you should listen to Colum Eastwood on the dog's dinner the "national government" in the North has made of the whole thing, with every decision becoming a negotiation.

Just bin the notion, you are the first to say it doesn't work in the North, so why are you calling for it in the South.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

It was disgusting during the election run up. National crises swept under the rug and ministers hiding.

If there is one thing that the Covid-19 crisis has taught us is that people who were calling things like the least number of homelessness in Europe a crisis didn't have a clue what a real crisis was.

political analyst

Taoisech Micheál Martin has lost two of his children. Justice minister Helen McEntee's father took his own life.

Obviously, they empathise with people who lost loved one's in those circumstances. How can that not make them better leaders?!

Truthvader

Bowie wrote: »

I see [URL="https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1172254/]Harris[/URL] has announced that himself and Varadkar have been discussing things and decided the government may move to level four tomorrow. I hope MM gets a call and someone should nudge Eamo.

Great use of the pandemic as PR for Sio and Leo. Thats the important thing.

So if they are pro-active and announce what they are up to its "PR" and if they say nothing they are "hiding" . Well done lads always the transparent numb unthinking hostility to every action.

James Brown

Truthvader wrote: »

So if they are pro-active and announce what they are up to its "PR" and if they say nothing they are "hiding" . Well done lads always the transparent numb unthinking hostility to every action.

Thats not proactive. Thats speaking out of school and undermining the boss MM.

Harris and Murphy hid in the election run up. Separate issues.

Thinking anyone on here critical of government is a shinner is sad enough now anyone critical of the housing minister who waltzed through a crisis are 'scum'?
Not a normal party.

Brendan Bendar

Strange how ‘hiding’ was so popular back in the day......

Truthvader

Bowie wrote: »

Thats not proactive. Thats speaking out of school and undermining the boss MM.

Harris and Murphy hid in the election run up. Separate issues.

Thinking anyone on here critical of government is a shinner is sad enough now anyone critical of the housing minister who waltzed through a crisis are 'scum'?
Not a normal party.[/QUOTEd]

Eh..... You already told us all you're a Shinner (not just to get a cheap house though). Still no idea what you expected Murphy to have achieved in 18 months. Plus scummy behaviour earns its own name.

smurgen

Truthvader wrote: »

Bowie wrote: »

Thats not proactive. Thats speaking out of school and undermining the boss MM.

Harris and Murphy hid in the election run up. Separate issues.

Thinking anyone on here critical of government is a shinner is sad enough now anyone critical of the housing minister who waltzed through a crisis are 'scum'?
Not a normal party.[/QUOTEd]

Eh..... You already told us all you're a Shinner (not just to get a cheap house though). Still no idea what you expected Murphy to have achieved in 18 months. Plus scummy behaviour earns its own name.

The only scummy behavior I've seen lately in politics was LV refuting Ruth Morrissey's widow the day she died via his spokesperson. Simon Harris' abandonment of the nursing homes at the start of the pandemic also scummy.

RandomViewer

1283 and 3 deaths, whole country needs a wake up call, FG doing an impersonation of the DUP isn't helping.

smurgen

Almost 1300 cases. Leo's level 3 working a real treat. The results of more fantastic decision making

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1317867545521684480?s=19

smurgen

When a government undermines itself lol.

https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1317750590156525568?s=19

James Brown

Truthvader wrote: »

Eh..... You already told us all you're a Shinner (not just to get a cheap house though). Still no idea what you expected Murphy to have achieved in 18 months. Plus scummy behaviour earns its own name.

I give them a vote if they became more FG housing wise they'd lose my vote. Hardly a shinner.
Cheaper housing for working tax payers earning too much for social and more built for those in need. Keep clarifying this for you. Do you not understand or are you playing the fool so you can keep repeating the same ****e?
Murphy/FG made it worse.
You are calling people scum because they were critical of Murphy. Thats hardly decent.

smurgen

Bowie wrote: »

I give them a vote if they became more FG housing wise they'd lose my vote. Hardly a shinner.
Cheaper housing for working tax payers earning too much for social and more built for those in need. Keep clarifying this for you. Do you not understand or are you playing the fool so you can keep repeating the same ****e?
Murphy/FG made it worse.

Exactly. More money for current expenditure on housing than long term capital investment. Same happened in the last budget. Money pumped into short term solutions like HAP. Economically illiteracy.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Christ almighty, you should listen to Colum Eastwood on the dog's dinner the "national government" in the North has made of the whole thing, with every decision becoming a negotiation.

Just bin the notion, you are the first to say it doesn't work in the North, so why are you calling for it in the South.

I have never heard such a silly repeated argument. Suggest something and blanch piles on to say...but it didn't work here or there or yonder.

The north is a completely different context than here...it is rarely if ever comparable. Give over with the look at themuns please.

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

When a government undermines itself lol.

https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1317750590156525568?s=19

Trying to social distance from their own government. Not committed to this at all. No regard for the country.

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

Exactly. More money for current expenditure on housing than long term capital investment. Same happened in the last budget. Money pumped into short term solutions like HAP. Economically illiteracy.

Looking after their own.
They know their policies don't work but they make profits for private business.

Madeoface

I can't figure out what Sinn Fein are advocating, it appears to be level 5 and free money for all but do the schools close, will they put the teachers on the pup if they do?

Everybody else is making a balls of it but them but they don't appear to be strong on an actual plan.... like their social distancing at that terrorist funeral some months back. Their endless whinging is making PBP look sensible.

smurgen

Bowie wrote: »

Trying to social distance from their own government. Not committed to this at all. No regard for the country.

Nope. Attacking NPHET attacking government. It's Fine Gael playing politics while people die. It's absolutely sick.

The college drop out was speaking like he's the health minister again today instead of the health minister. Still hasn't gotten the message he was dishonorably discharged.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317787092232142849?s=19

Cluedo Monopoly

Madeoface wrote: »

I can't figure out what Sinn Fein are advocating, it appears to be level 5 and free money for all but do the schools close, will they put the teachers on the pup if they do?

To be fair, the FF & FG government wrote the book on Magic Money Trees with that Budget on Tuesday. 20 billion here, 20 billion there. Unbelievable stuff really. We used to talk about 'fiscal space', now we are throwing caution to the wind.

They are making a massive assumption that borrowing rates will remain low when they are trying to rollover national debt in years and decades to come.

Our national debt was already excessive. The FF&FG ministers will be well retired on massive pensions when the chickens come home to roost.

I am afraid SF will be in power in the next government but look at the borrowing precedent FF and FG have set. Scary.

Nobotty

Madeoface wrote: »

I can't figure out what Sinn Fein are advocating, it appears to be level 5 and free money for all but do the schools close, will they put the teachers on the pup if they do?

Everybody else is making a balls of it but them but they don't appear to be strong on an actual plan.... like their social distancing at that terrorist funeral some months back. Their endless whinging is making PBP look sensible.

I've no problem understanding what SF wants
They plan to support the lock down but are demanding that there be full supports including restoring the full pup
Common sense in other words

How difficult is that to understand?

Madeoface

Nobotty wrote: »

I've no problem understanding what SF wants
They plan to support the lock down but are demanding that there be full supports including restoring the full pup
Common sense in other words

How difficult is that to understand?

Is that a level 4 or 5 one tho, or something else? Even Mary Lou didn't know what she was advocating on the wireless. Saying u support a lockdown is meaningless unless you have the details.... restore the full pup, even tho it paid out more than some people were earning in part time roles? SF need firm policies rather than just shouting from the sidelines.

RandomViewer

Madeoface wrote: »

Is that a level 4 or 5 one tho, or something else? Even Mary Lou didn't know what she was advocating on the wireless. Saying u support a lockdown is meaningless unless you have the details.... restore the full pup, even tho it paid out more than some people were earning in part time roles? SF need firm policies rather than just shouting from the sidelines.

That was Revenues fxxkup , they had everyone's PPS number, they knew what they were earning, couldn't be arrsed processing it properly and then paying the correct rate

smurgen

Madeoface wrote: »

Is that a level 4 or 5 one tho, or something else? Even Mary Lou didn't know what she was advocating on the wireless. Saying u support a lockdown is meaningless unless you have the details.... restore the full pup, even tho it paid out more than some people were earning in part time roles? SF need firm policies rather than just shouting from the sidelines.

Why do SF need firm policies? The unity government proposal was ruled out. Their policies would have no bearings on the outcome of the pandemic. They are not in government.

FrancieBrady

RandomViewer wrote: »

That was Revenues fxxkup , they had everyone's PPS number, they knew what they were earning, couldn't be arrsed processing it properly and then paying the correct rate

'Buying popularity' in layman's terms

Nobotty

Madeoface wrote: »

Is that a level 4 or 5 one tho, or something else? Even Mary Lou didn't know what she was advocating on the wireless. Saying u support a lockdown is meaningless unless you have the details.... restore the full pup, even tho it paid out more than some people were earning in part time roles? SF need firm policies rather than just shouting from the sidelines.

Mary lou will support whatever public health measures are taken but she wants full lockdown supports restored to where they were last May and the new ones in the budget implemented
That is not difficult to understand

Madeoface

Nobotty wrote: »

Mary lou will support whatever public health measures are taken but she wants full lockdown supports restored to where they were last May and the new ones in the budget implemented
That is not difficult to understand

If Mary Lou doesn't know what level or length of lockdown she wants how can you understand it? Unless you are a late working shinnerbot. If so, will she only listen to health advice on covid and not the economic side and other knock on medical aspects..... The only policy there I can see is to be a nay sayer and to open the door to more money going out.

And btw lads, revenue don't administer the pup, welfare do. Revenue will be taxing it tho I'd say.

FrancieBrady

The government to make an announcement tomorrow...why can't FG leave it at that?

Harris out doing a Leo job (he wouldn't get away with it again) trying to give the impression they're running the show.
the reality is they probably are and they got 'Level 3' and the attack on NPHET completely arse-ways.

Truthvader

smurgen wrote: »

Almost 1300 cases. Leo's level 3 working a real treat. The results of more fantastic decision making

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1317867545521684480?s=19

And it is solved everywhere else