FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

smurgen

On the money. They're clueless. Just remember we as tax payers are funding 64 special advisors for this government and this is what they're at.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1352984889818275840?s=19

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's here, have a look.
Restrictions were broken and still are, that's not govt fault, that's ordinary people's fault.
Have a good evening.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1180966/

And it has been that way from the start and does not explain why we are where we are. Jesus.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

So people breaking the restrictions like gathering in bigger crowds than allowed, overcrowded pubs, family get togethers,overcrowded shops, travelling home from abroad and not self isolating etc etc had nothing to do with it where you live?
Good on you all there.
It happened here, still is btw in some cases.

But NPHET said if people wanted to socialise in pubs and restaurants they shouldn't be visiting other households, and so therefore they recommended one or the other, IE if the govt wanted to get businesses going again, in this case bars and eating houses, then people's homes should be closed to visitors.

The govt took that advice and recommendation and threw it out the window, and said it was ok to do both.

Not the Shinners, not PBP, or Roisin Shorthall or the Kerry bros or any other mythical bogeymen or women, it was the govt of FFG bishop, the buck stops there.

We have seen the results now for ourselves.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

But NPHET said if people wanted to socialise in pubs and restaurants they shouldn't be visiting other households, and so therefore they recommended one or the other, IE if the govt wanted to get businesses going again, in this case bars and eating houses, then people's homes should be closed to visitors.

The govt took that advice and recommendation and threw it out the window, and said it was ok to do both.

Not the Shinners, not PBP, or Roisin Shorthall or the Kerry bros or any other mythical bogeymen or women, it was the govt of FFG bishop, the buck stops there.

We have seen the results now for ourselves.

We have yes and the govt had to make such decisions, that's what govts have to do.
Here is a quote from Marylou on the announcements of restrictions prior to Xmas.
She didn't raise any concerns about anything then so suggesting that's probably what they would have done too, who knows.
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Government made 'right call' in allowing household visits over Christmas, says Sinn Féin
Government made 'right call' in allowing household visits over Christmas, says Sinn Féin
Christmas lights on Grafton Street Dublin. Picture: Stephen Collins/Collins Photos

FRI, 27 NOV, 2020 - 21:18
PAUL HOSFORD POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
The Government has made "absolutely the right call" in allowing household visits over Christmas, the Sinn Féin leader has said.

Mary Lou McDonald said that the decision to lift travel and household visit restrictions from December 18 would give "a great measure of relief right across the country".

Ms McDonald said that it was "essential" that people be allowed to see family at Christmas, but added that there would be disappointment for owners and staff of wet pubs.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

We have yes and the govt had to make such decisions, that's what govts have to do.
Here is a quote from Marylou on the announcements of restrictions prior to Xmas.
She didn't raise any concerns about anything then so suggesting that's probably what they would have done too, who knows.
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Irish Examiner Logo
NEWS
SPORT
LIFESTYLE
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Government made 'right call' in allowing household visits over Christmas, says Sinn Féin
Government made 'right call' in allowing household visits over Christmas, says Sinn Féin
Christmas lights on Grafton Street Dublin. Picture: Stephen Collins/Collins Photos

FRI, 27 NOV, 2020 - 21:18
PAUL HOSFORD POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
The Government has made "absolutely the right call" in allowing household visits over Christmas, the Sinn Féin leader has said.

Mary Lou McDonald said that the decision to lift travel and household visit restrictions from December 18 would give "a great measure of relief right across the country".

Ms McDonald said that it was "essential" that people be allowed to see family at Christmas, but added that there would be disappointment for owners and staff of wet pubs.

SF and the government can be wrong Bish. What SF do is NOT an excuse for the government's failures.

smurgen

Martin setting 200 cases as a goal is depressing. It was 200 just before December.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1352937913269575681?s=19

RandomViewer

smurgen wrote: »

Martin setting 200 cases as a goal is depressing. It was 200 just before December.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1352937913269575681?s=19

Would still be too high as 200 confirmed usually means another few hundred undetected, think less than 50 for a few weeks before even thinking of relaxation

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

Not at all, its like shooting fish in a barrel.

If a poster makes up god awful comments about people having 'blood on their hands', then they better man up and defend the same comments when it can be directed at NI and indeed other nation, be it the UK, France, Holland, Belgium Germany, Sweden, Italy, Spain, etc...all of whom have a worse death per capita rate than Ireland...

It's just being hysterical for the sake of it and makes the person being hysterical look rather foolish.

Let us not really pretend the poster making those comments actually care about people dying, as its just a political football used to give the government a bit of a kicking and the proof is his absolute silence and complicity when questions are asked about his beloved SF being in government in the North, where MORE people have died.

You are making light of deaths to score points rather than address the points being made. Your business, just find it hard to take as genuine

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

Martin setting 200 cases as a goal is depressing. It was 200 just before December.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1352937913269575681?s=19

He's winging it. These calibre of 'best people' can't help but play politics be it generational debt, quangos, cronyism or a global pandemic. Not fit to govern IMO.
If there was money in lockdowns they'd close the airports.

Sadly I can see things get really bad and MM suggest nobody saw this coming.

smurgen

Bowie wrote: »

He's winging it. These calibre of 'best people' can't help but play politics be it generational debt, quangos, cronyism or a global pandemic. Not fit to govern IMO.
If there was money in lockdowns they'd close the airports.

Sadly I can see things get really bad and MM suggest nobody saw this coming.

He's lost the room completely from the HCW I've seen on twitter. They're not impressed and the sense that he doesn't seem to get the seriousness of the situation is evident.

https://twitter.com/Antcon7062/status/1352943168145285120?s=19

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

We have yes and the govt had to make such decisions, that's what govts have to do.
Here is a quote from Marylou on the announcements of restrictions prior to Xmas.
She didn't raise any concerns about anything then so suggesting that's probably what they would have done too, who knows.

Have you ever heard the expression "I could agree with you if you like, and then we'll both be wrong"?

MLMD ain't in govt either bish.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Have you ever heard the expression "I could agree with you if you like, and then we'll both be wrong"?

MLMD ain't in govt either bish.

Jesus Mc, what are you on about?
You're talking like everyone else, talking in hindsight here and I'm sure if the govt could act in hindsight they'd have acted differently.
I'm just pointing out that when the govt did what they did restriction wise at the it was mostly welcomed, even by the opposition.
Now in hindsight its easy to preach about what should have and could have been done.
But I see no evidence that any other govt or party likely to have been in govt would have done that much differently.
So what exactly are you saying?

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Jesus Mc, what are you on about?
You're talking like everyone else, talking in hindsight here and I'm sure if the govt could act in hindsight they'd have acted differently.
I'm just pointing out that when the govt did what they did restriction wise at the it was mostly welcomed, even by the opposition.
Now in hindsight its easy to preach about what should have and could have been done.
But I see no evidence that any other govt or party likely to have been in govt would have done that much differently.
So what exactly are you saying?

Hindsight? They've been lagging calls from public and experts from the get go. Take this poll. Over 90% support for mandatory quarantine from those arriving from abroad. The government will only do what NPHET were requesting since May when it's being screamed over and over again.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-ireland-5332489-Jan2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

Hindsight? They've been lagging calls from public and experts from the get go. Take this poll. Over 90% support for mandatory quarantine from those arriving from abroad. The government will only do what NPHET were requesting since May when it's being screamed over and over again.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-ireland-5332489-Jan2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

What do you do with hauliers and workers associated with the bringing in of freight?
If we get quarentine rules here but none in the north are you in favour of closing the north border?
See we going round in circles.

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What do you do with hauliers and workers associated with the bringing in of freight?
If we get quarentine rules here but none in the north are you in favour of closing the north border?
See we going round in circles.

What has any of that got to do with airports? You're saying we can't reduce every risk so let's not reduce any risk is that the argument?

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

What has any of that got to do with airports? You're saying we can't reduce every risk so let's not reduce any risk is that the argument?

You still didn't answer on the border.
So demanding but no giving.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Jesus Mc, what are you on about?
You're talking like everyone else, talking in hindsight here and I'm sure if the govt could act in hindsight they'd have acted differently.
I'm just pointing out that when the govt did what they did restriction wise at the it was mostly welcomed, even by the opposition.
Now in hindsight its easy to preach about what should have and could have been done.
But I see no evidence that any other govt or party likely to have been in govt would have done that much differently.
So what exactly are you saying?

I don't know what's confusing to be honest, you said if we all stuck to the medical experts, and the govt advice to the letter, we'd be ok.

I'm pointing out that that isn't true because the government went against NPHET advice.

Whether MLMD agreed at the time or not isnt important, it means she agreed with the wrong decision.

And if Leo and Michaél hadn't locked her out of govt, the buck would be stopping with her also.

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

I don't know what's confusing to be honest, you said if we all stuck to the medical experts, and the govt advice to the letter, we'd be ok.

I'm pointing out that that isn't true because the government went against NPHET advice.

Whether MLMD agreed at the time or not isnt important, it means she agreed with the wrong decision.

And if Leo and Michaél hadn't locked her out of govt, the buck would be stopping with her also.

The electorate locked her out, Randall, wouldn’t being run from the high slopes of the Black Mountain, along with the ragtaggle bunch of citizen army types from Dun Laoire.

Nobody with a lick of sense would get into bed with that lot.

Might as well put a match to ones investments.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The electorate locked her out, Randall, wouldn’t being run from the high slopes of the Black Mountain, along with the ragtaggle bunch of citizen army types from Dun Laoire.

Nobody with a lick of sense would get into bed with that lot.

Might as well put a match to ones investments.

No, I'm pretty certain it was Leo and Michaél. The electorate will have their say on how they behaved post election (for months afterwards) at the next election.

Make no mistake on that one Brenner, remember it was me whom first told you about it.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The electorate locked her out, Randall, wouldn’t being run from the high slopes of the Black Mountain, along with the ragtaggle bunch of citizen army types from Dun Laoire.

Nobody with a lick of sense would get into bed with that lot.

Might as well put a match to ones investments.

The electorate were lied to Brendi and a coalition formed. The consequences of that remain to be seen.

Brendan Bendar

Such a thing as putting the country first, they say.

The citizen army of course don’t pay any heed to that.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Such a thing as putting the country first, they say.

The citizen army of course don’t pay any heed to that.

They can tell the tens of thousands of people who caught the virus, furloughed from their jobs, and buried loved ones with no funerals etc, that they were putting the country first by defying the experts health advice too Brenner.

I'm sure it'll stand over them no bother at all.

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

They can tell the tens of thousands of people who caught the virus, furloughed from their jobs, and buried loved ones with no funerals etc, that they were putting the country first by defying the experts health advice too Brenner.

I'm sure it'll stand over them no bother at all.

Yeah, because Pat went ape in Belmullet it’s someone else’s fault.

Little bit of hyperbole there Randall, you’re handy at that.

Luckily most of us can see through that auld tactic.

blanch152

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Jesus Mc, what are you on about?
You're talking like everyone else, talking in hindsight here and I'm sure if the govt could act in hindsight they'd have acted differently.
I'm just pointing out that when the govt did what they did restriction wise at the it was mostly welcomed, even by the opposition.
Now in hindsight its easy to preach about what should have and could have been done.
But I see no evidence that any other govt or party likely to have been in govt would have done that much differently.
So what exactly are you saying?

Well, you have to remember that Sinn Fein were simultaneously calling for schools to be closed and for pubs to be kept open. It wasn't a case of them even riding two horses, they will be able to pull out a statement from one or other of them calling for every possible eventuality.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are trying to block and censor those who do hold the government accountable for some of the problems.

Governments are and must be accountable, this is a democracy and you are trying to silence. You are also not afraid to point at one political party when it suits while claiming neutrality.

I don't think anybody has ever tried to block and censor you. You dominate every single thread on the government and on Sinn Fein.

The proof is in the numbers that the opinions you promulgate are neither blocked nor censored.

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What do you do with hauliers and workers associated with the bringing in of freight?
If we get quarentine rules here but none in the north are you in favour of closing the north border?
See we going round in circles.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yeah, because Pat went ape in Belmullet it’s someone else’s fault.

Little bit of hyperbole there Randall, you’re handy at that.

Luckily most of us can see through that auld tactic.

Remember when Harris and the fine Gaelers posted pictures of Berlin Bar asking for it to be shut down using emotive language like 'a middle finger to ireland' where was that Brendi when the golf pissup happened or when rte had their birthday bash?

RandomViewer

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when Harris and the fine Gaelers posted pictures of Berlin Bar asking for it to be shut down using emotive language like 'a middle finger to ireland' where was that Brendi when the golf pissup happened or when rte had their birthday bash?

Dudnt Varadkar have a house party in Farmleigh?

RandomViewer

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yeah, because Pat went ape in Belmullet it’s someone else’s fault.

Little bit of hyperbole there Randall, you’re handy at that.

Luckily most of us can see through that auld tactic.

Belmullet can easily be explained, every Dubliner with a holiday home went down for Christmas, same happened up here only it was Dublin, Belfast and Glasgow

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't think anybody has ever tried to block and censor you. You dominate every single thread on the government and on Sinn Fein.

The proof is in the numbers that the opinions you promulgate are neither blocked nor censored.

Dominate? You love your exaggerations.

Somebody constantly saying 'the goverment were only doing their best' is trying to stop criticism of the government = blocking/censorship attempts.

Attempts that are made fairly hypocritical when said poster clatters over the cat to get to the keboard when one particular party is to be criticised.

RandomViewer

RandomViewer wrote: »

Dudnt Varadkar have a house party in Farmleigh?

When? My invitation must have gotten lost in the post.