FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

RandomViewer

smurgen wrote: »

The Irony of FGaerler talking about making political capital out of victims. The lads who called relatives for Justice headbangers in this very thread.

They spent most of last Sunday on here using Paul Quinn killing to point score

James Brown

RandomViewer wrote: »

They spent most of last Sunday on here using Paul Quinn killing to point score

And the 2020 election.

Bishop of hope

Jesus, some lads keep a diary of what day such a thing happened or was discussed on here?
It's Friday night Lads, have a bit of a relax.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Jesus, some lads keep a diary of what day such a thing happened or was discussed on here?
It's Friday night Lads, have a bit of a relax.

Sunday past?

We're not talking about some random Sunday in May 2016 bish. Hardly need a diary to recall that.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Sunday past?

We're not talking about some random Sunday in May 2016 bish. Hardly need a diary to recall that.

Ah just a quip Mc.
As I said relax, quit waiting with the safety catch off.
Depressing reading on the old opposition side today, so much angst.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Ah just a quip Mc.
As I said relax, quit waiting with the safety catch off.
Depressing reading on the old opposition side today, so much angst.

I'm only chain yankin bish.

markodaly

grayzer75 wrote: »

And what a great pair of parties they are to run a country........

The world's most expensive hospital ever - Not true
A sharp increase in homelessness
Mother and baby homes / institutional abuse - A legacy issue
Direct provision
Unaffordable housing
Unaffordable rents
Mismanagement of the Covid-19 pandemic - What EU country has done better? Sweden?
Hospital waiting lists
Mental health crisis
Bank bailouts - SF voted for the bailout!
Cervical check scandal
Garda corruption
Zero hour contracts - Zero hour contracts are illegal in Ireland
Excessive pay rises to politicians - Linked to the Public Sector Pay Agreements

OK, just to fact check some of this stuff.

The stuff, I didn't mention can all be contested as well, but you may as well be defending the notion, Why don't we have Utopia. An impossible task

markodaly

Floppybits wrote: »

This mother and baby homes report is just not going away. The chair of the mother and babies home commission is now saying they wont come before an Oireactas committee. The government handling of this has been a disaster, what are they trying to hide or what are they so afraid of coming out?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40221251.html

Just on this bit, The Chair of the M&B Home Commission is not 'Da Guberment', a committee has no legal power to enforce attendance. So, what exactly do you want the government to do in regards the chair of this committee? Arrest her?

I personally think she should attend the committee by the way, its not good that she refuses to, but I am not sure what the government can do here.
People think the government can act like Mao and issue dictates to people.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government have a role. They have failed in their role.
So also has the Commission.

What is the exact nature of the governments role in regards this commission and the chair of the commission?

It's going to snow next week, the government's fault, as the government has a role in funding Met Eireann.

That is the logical fallacy at play here.

Bishop of hope

I see Ireland is now no1 in Europe on suppression of the 3rd wave covid 19.
Wonder who will get the praise for that?

Brendan Bendar

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I see Ireland is now no1 in Europe on suppression of the 3rd wave covid 19.
Wonder who will get the praise for that?

Anyone but the Gubbirmint, I’d allow.

Cluedo Monopoly

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I see Ireland is now no1 in Europe on suppression of the 3rd wave covid 19.
Wonder who will get the praise for that?

Given they largely caused the massive spike in December, I would give the credit to the people of Ireland and front line staff.

Bishop of hope

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Given they largely caused the massive spike in December, I would give the credit to the people of Ireland and front line staff.

OK.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Anyone but the Gubbirmint, I’d allow.

The government HAD to put us in a lockdown after ignoring the medical advice and opening up.

KlArmy

Is there any leadership at all with this government

Aside from leaking, tweeting and chat show appearances it seems they're all afraid to give direction and vision

Nothing in it for them if they get it wrong seems to be the thinking

Cluedo Monopoly

KlArmy wrote: »

Is there any leadership at all with this government

Aside from leaking, tweeting and chat show appearances it seems they're all afraid to give direction and vision

Nothing in it for them if they get it wrong seems to be the thinking

No. Always reactive. Never proactive. They lost their bottle after the first few months of weekly screw-ups.
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FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government HAD to put us in a lockdown after ignoring the medical advice and opening up.

And it had absolutely nothing to do with people failing to exercise personal responsibility? Most of us knew that granny, grandad, mammy and daddy were safest by us staying home.

ExMachina1000

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I see Ireland is now no1 in Europe on suppression of the 3rd wave covid 19.
Wonder who will get the praise for that?

Tony Holohan and the other members of Nphet along with the Irish people in general who are abiding by restrictions.

The government should also be praised for signing in the restrictions but that is the end of their role.

Stephen Donnelly isn't included in any praise but that might be my personal dislike of him. Solid useless and full of hot air. Out of his depth

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

And it had absolutely nothing to do with people failing to exercise personal responsibility? Most of us knew that granny, grandad, mammy and daddy were safest by us staying home.

The people were told by the government that it was ok Maryanne.

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The people were told by the government that it was ok Maryanne.

Maryanne said it was irresponsible to follow govt advice that it was ok to visit eating and drinking houses, and that obviously included Leo who said he was going to meet his buddies for a meal and a gargle too.

That Leo is an Irresponsible bastard.

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

Maryanne said it was irresponsible to follow govt advice that it was ok to visit eating and drinking houses, and that obviously included Leo who said he was going to meet his buddies for a meal and a gargle too.

That Leo is an Irresponsible bastard.

The dry houses were told that it was legal to open for business ,Randall.

After that it was a case of using your loaf.

Pat is a great guy for using his loaf, I’m reliably informed.:cool:

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Maryanne said it was irresponsible to follow govt advice that it was ok to visit eating and drinking houses, and that obviously included Leo who said he was going to meet his buddies for a meal and a gargle too.

That Leo is an Irresponsible bastard.

Ya, ya. Look over there. Always someone else’s fault.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The dry houses were told that it was legal to open for business ,Randall.

After that it was a case of using your loaf.

Pat is a great guy for using his loaf, I’m reliably informed.:cool:

What you talkin about Willis?

The pubs that served food were opened for a while over Christmas Brendan, the restaurants that opened served drink in them too.

Is this just you hammering something on the keyboard for the sake of it?

Like are you really wanting to die on this hill trying to rewrite history on something Leo and maryanne are both on record of saying Brenner ?

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

Ya, ya. Look over there. Always someone else’s fault.

We know that Maryanne, and in your case it was the people for being irresponsible for following govt advice, so by your own definition, and by the bar you set that includes the Tanaiste as being "irresponsible" and "not exercising personal responsibility".

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

What you talkin about Willis?

The pubs that served food were opened for a while over Christmas Brendan, the restaurants that opened served drink in them too.

Is this just you hammering something on the keyboard for the sake of it?

Like are you really wanting to die on this hill trying to rewrite history on something Leo and maryanne are both on record of saying Brenner ?

I know that Randall, however Pat wasn’t forced to go into them Randall.

That’s the point,lad.

The Bren wasn’t into the public houses like a mad Buffalo as soon as he got a sniff of the porther and got the head stuck into anyone who would listen.

A small glass of wine before dinner at home was enough for the Brenner.

Sometimes it’s best to use the head, Randall.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I know that Randall, however Pat wasn’t forced to go into them Randall.

That’s the point,lad.

The Bren wasn’t into the public houses like a mad Buffalo as soon as he got a sniff of the porther and got the head stuck into anyone who would listen.

A small glass of wine before dinner at home was enough for the Brenner.

Sometimes it’s best to use the head, Randall.

When do you ask or expect the government to 'use the head' Brendi? When are the fans of those tasked with the highest responsibility of the office they are elected to, asked to accept responsibility for what they have done, in the Brendi household?

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I know that Randall, however Pat wasn’t forced to go into them Randall.

That’s the point,lad.

The Bren wasn’t into the public houses like a mad Buffalo as soon as he got a sniff of the porther and got the head stuck into anyone who would listen.

A small glass of wine before dinner at home was enough for the Brenner.

Sometimes it’s best to use the head, Randall.

This is a first, you are agreeing that the government advice that it was ok to visit the eating and drinking houses, and also visit multiple households was Irresponsible?

It's not about you Brenner, it's about the people who did in good faith take the official government advice on board - there's plenty out there servile enough to follow it blindly, including the Tanaiste himself.

That, "is the point".

Brendan Bendar

McMurphy wrote: »

This is a first, you are agreeing that the government advice that it was ok to visit the eating and drinking houses, and also visit multiple households was Irresponsible?

It's not about you Brenner, it's about the people who did in good faith take the official government advice on board - there's plenty out there servile enough to follow it blindly, including the Tanaiste himself.

That, "is the point".

Where did I say it was ok Randall.

Randall, good lad, put on your ‘ BigBoy’ pants and think for yourself for once.

Did MMMCD not support the opening of public houses?

You seem to champion those who cannot think for themselves, yet your alledged leader was front and central in leading the open campaign.

Do you want to micro-manage everybodies life, dude.

What’s this crap about “it’s not all about you”.

Can we get real here.

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

OK, just to fact check some of this stuff.

The stuff, I didn't mention can all be contested as well, but you may as well be defending the notion, Why don't we have Utopia. An impossible task

Crises and scandals don't have to be the norm. We don't need some imagined shangri-la to run the country without incompetence, cronyism, neglect and geneally greasy behaviour.

Brendan Bendar

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James Brown wrote: »

Crises and scandals don't have to be the norm. We don't need some imagined shangri-la to run the country without incompetence, cronyism, neglect and geneally greasy behaviour.

You forgot corruption!!!