FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

It's relevant because we are speaking on the FF/FG/Green government and Ireland was worst in the world at one point. Hardly a sign they did a grand job.

And if my auntie had balls...we are talking about the FF/FG/Green government and Ireland.

I'm ranting? You are dismissing and ignoring facts.
I said Ireland was worst in the world at one point. You saying, sing it with me, 'well so could anyone', doesn't dispute that fact.

That means next to nothing, if overall we manage the situation better than our neighbours.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

That means next to nothing, if overall we manage the situation better than our neighbours.

It means Ireland was worst in the world at one point.
Pray tell, how is what happens up north more relevant than what happens down south as regards...well, what happens down south?
Why does it mean next to the north? I mean if we have people dying in the street but the north is worse, what does that mean exactly?
If MM gives a dog a kick up the arse and Foster and MON kick two dogs up the arse, does that mean MM didn't kick a dog up the arse?

We are in a FF/FG/Green thread discussing the balls they make of covid from time to time, at one point having worst in the world status. Even five Bobby Storey funerals won't change that.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0209/1196082-childrens-hospital-pac/

Seriously what do these cowboys do all day? Can they not manage/oversee 1 very high profile project?

National Children's Hospital hit by delays and 'spiralling' costs

Construction of the new Children's Hospital has been delayed again and it may not open until 2024.

The Public Accounts Committee also heard today that costs are spiralling although the development board would not reveal an exact figure as it is liaising with the Department of Health on costs and timelines.

Governed by clowns.

Heads need to roll but of course we will see zero accountability. Its the FFG way. Same old politics...

markodaly

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Varadkar is truly Current Affairs' Godwin's Law equivalent.

LOL This x 1 Million.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

After huge surge, suffering and death, government admits they made a mistake.

The government have to take their share of the blame, and it is by far the majority share.

It is actually the public that has to take their share of the blame, they are the ones who didn't follow the guidelines and went mad before Christmas.

Remember, if people followed the guidelines there wouldn't be many cases, but we all know that is not the case. Sure in lockdown 1, you admitted in breaking the guidelines by travelling between counties, even though there was a 5km restriction in place. So crying about 'Da guberment' is folly.

People need to look in the mirror first and foremost.

blanch152

markodaly wrote: »

It is actually the public that has to take their share of the blame, they are the ones who didn't follow the guidelines and went mad before Christmas.

Remember, if people followed the guidelines there wouldn't be many cases, but we all know that is not the case. Sure in lockdown 1, you admitted in breaking the guidelines by travelling between counties, even though there was a 5km restriction in place. So crying about 'Da guberment' is folly.

People need to look in the mirror first and foremost.

You need to go back and read the thread. People were posting about friends and neighbours dying and getting sick and were blaming the government even though the information they posted showed that the places they went and things they did broke the regulations, guidelines and advice. Personal responsibility was still denied even after this was pointed out.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It doesn't matter who was in government...it was a mistake made by government.

Nonsense.

It is a fact that Sinn Fein, the main opposition party not only welcomed the easing of restrictions before Christmas but pushed for it in interviews beforehand.

In other words, they would have opened up the economy even more, if they were in government. And we all know about their push in the North to open up pubs before schools!! :pac:

So, yea blame the government parties all you want, but SF comes out of this even worse by the mere fact that they had an open goal and put it into row Z!!
The point? If MLMD was Taoiseach, we would have been in a worse situation, not better!!

The only party with any credibility from an oppositions point of view are the SD's.

Bishop of hope

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0209/1196082-childrens-hospital-pac/

Seriously what do these cowboys do all day? Can they not manage/oversee 1 very high profile project?









Governed by clowns.

Heads need to roll but of course we will see zero accountability. Its the FFG way. Same old politics...

A fiasco cost wise.
The Site was the wrong one anyway
There's no justifying what's going on there.

markodaly

blanch152 wrote: »

You need to go back and read the thread. People were posting about friends and neighbours dying and getting sick and were blaming the government even though the information they posted showed that the places they went and things they did broke the regulations, guidelines and advice. Personal responsibility was still denied even after this was pointed out.

Yea its kinda laughable.

The government issues guidelines, people break said guidelines, then people become infected and unfortunately, some died...... who is to blame?

The people breaking the guidelines and infected their elder friends or relatives?
Or 'Da Guberment'?

The answer to that question says a lot about people.

blanch152

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A fiasco cost wise.
The Site was the wrong one anyway
There's no justifying what's going on there.

It should have been Dublin 15 and Connolly Hospital but the medical lobby pushed against it.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Nonsense.

It is a fact that Sinn Fein, the main opposition party not only welcomed the easing of restrictions before Christmas but pushed for it in interviews beforehand.

In other words, they would have opened up the economy even more, if they were in government. And we all know about their push in the North to open up pubs before schools!! :pac:

So, yea blame the government parties all you want, but SF comes out of this even worse by the mere fact that they had an open goal and put it into row Z!!
The point? If MLMD was Taoiseach, we would have been in a worse situation, not better!!

The only party with any credibility from an oppositions point of view are the SD's.

When I make a 'mistake' I blame myself, nobody else.

Who do you blame when you make a 'mistake' mark? The neighbour...the dog...the nearest shinner?

Martin admitted the government made a 'mistake'.

smurgen

markodaly wrote: »

Yea its kinda laughable.

The government issues guidelines, people break said guidelines, then people become infected and unfortunately, some died...... who is to blame?

The people breaking the guidelines and infected their elder friends or relatives?
Or 'Da Guberment'?

The answer to that question says a lot about people.

I dunno none of my friends or relatives visited south africa or brazil or the UK in recent months. Bit if they get a new more infections varient of the virus and more resistant to the vaccine that will be on the Government.

Going back on your post. What guidelines did the government offer at Christmas? House visits and hospitality. Wasn't that the government breaking from NPHET'S guidelines?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When I make a 'mistake' I blame myself, nobody else.

Who do you blame when you make a 'mistake' mark? The neighbour...the dog...the nearest shinner?

Martin admitted the government made a 'mistake'.

What you don't understand is that mistakes happen. They are not necessarily the responsibility of the person who did something. Sometimes you make the best decision you can possibly make and the wrong thing happens, that is a mistake. It is not your fault, it is something that happens. In something like a pandemic, this is especially true.

So you judge the performance overall, in comparison with others in similar situations.


Edit: It is kind of like somebody going out with a few mates for a Christmas lunch breaching the guidelines, in a pub that was breaching the guidelines, and bringing Covid home to his mother. It was a mistake, but it happens, don't blame him, don't blame the government, it was a mistake that happens.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is a simple test of that: Ask those needlessly and profoundly affected by the mistake Micheál Martin admitted to, how the government has handled the pandemic.

That is a nonsense question tbh.

Ask any Swede how their government has handled it.
Ask any Brit how their government has handled it
Ask any French person how their government has handled it
Ask any German how their government has handled it.
etc...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

In European terms, Ireland is well above average in terms of the response and death rates. We can all point to mistakes here and there, indeed no government around the world is without 'sin' but one has to be realistic as well, otherwise, people come across as insufferable zealots looking to poke holes for the sake of it. We all know you love SF and will never say a bad word about them, so your motivation here is not born out of genuine concern, but out of making some political charge against the government in some soft attempt to damage it. In other words, you have zero credibility with your accusations and charges.

markodaly

smurgen wrote: »

I dunno none of my friends or relatives visited south africa or brazil or the UK in recent months. Bit if they get a new more infections varient of the virus and more resistant to the vaccine that will be on the Government.

Do you advocate we close the border to NI?

Amazing, SF supporter advocating closing the border!

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd like to congratulate the people of the north for their vacine rollout and on getting their numbers down to the 200's today.

I hope our government have gotten over what ever problem they had in contacting and are liaising with their counterparts to ensure we re-open society with the best chance of suppressing this awfulness.

This is not the time for political one-upmanship and macabre competitions. Own house in order first etc etc.

LOL, just LOL!!

blanch152

markodaly wrote: »

Do you advocate we close the border to NI?

Amazing, SF supporter advocating closing the border!

What day is it today? We'll be opening the pubs tomorrow.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

What you don't understand is that mistakes happen. They are not necessarily the responsibility of the person who did something. Sometimes you make the best decision you can possibly make and the wrong thing happens, that is a mistake. It is not your fault, it is something that happens. In something like a pandemic, this is especially true.

So you judge the performance overall, in comparison with others in similar situations.


Edit: It is kind of like somebody going out with a few mates for a Christmas lunch breaching the guidelines, in a pub that was breaching the guidelines, and bringing Covid home to his mother. It was a mistake, but it happens, don't blame him, don't blame the government, it was a mistake that happens.

This was the second time they ignored NPHET advice and made a mistake they had to rectify. They second mistake cost lives and a great deal of suffering.

I don't have to look to Sweden, the north, GB or anywhere else to judge that.

smurgen

markodaly wrote: »

Do you advocate we close the border to NI?

Amazing, SF supporter advocating closing the border!

Anything. Also the Irish government didn't engage NI on a common approach to covid. Do you find that disappointing?

smurgen

markodaly wrote: »

That is a nonsense question tbh.

Ask any Swede how their government has handled it.
Ask any Brit how their government has handled it
Ask any French person how their government has handled it
Ask any German how their government has handled it.
etc...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

In European terms, Ireland is well above average in terms of the response and death rates. We can all point to mistakes here and there, indeed no government around the world is without 'sin' but one has to be realistic as well, otherwise, people come across as insufferable zealots looking to poke holes for the sake of it. We all know you love SF and will never say a bad word about them, so your motivation here is not born out of genuine concern, but out of making some political charge against the government in some soft attempt to damage it. In other words, you have zero credibility with your accusations and charges.

Are you happy with the current lack of mandatory quarantine?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

It should have been Dublin 15 and Connolly Hospital but the medical lobby pushed against it.

Is that what insiders call Varadkar?

Gas though, even the NCH is not on the government

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

What you don't understand is that mistakes happen. They are not necessarily the responsibility of the person who did something. Sometimes you make the best decision you can possibly make and the wrong thing happens, that is a mistake. It is not your fault, it is something that happens. In something like a pandemic, this is especially true.

So you judge the performance overall, in comparison with others in similar situations.


Edit: It is kind of like somebody going out with a few mates for a Christmas lunch breaching the guidelines, in a pub that was breaching the guidelines, and bringing Covid home to his mother. It was a mistake, but it happens, don't blame him, don't blame the government, it was a mistake that happens.

No, saying you made a mistake literally means just that. If you did something that turned out badly or goes awry, that's a mistake. Nobody claimed MM and chums did it on purpose in full knowledge of what would happen.

mis·take
/məˈstāk/

noun
an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.

verb
be wrong about.

So when MM admits it was a mistake you try change what the word means
Gas.
I just hope they learn from it.

smurgen

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Varadkar is truly Current Affairs' Godwin's Law equivalent.

Not really. Godwin's law is a phenomenon because the Nazi's are gone decades now. Unfortunately Varadkar is a current plight on our country, in government and therefore relevant to this thread.

His daily waffle getting called out now though regularly. It's great to see everyone pointing out the flip flopping, revisionism and spin.

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1359258920645238785?s=19

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

Not really. Godwin's law is a phenomenon because the Nazi's are gone decades now. Unfortunately Varadkar is a current plight on our country, in government and therefore relevant to this thread.

His daily waffle getting called out now though regularly. It's great to see everyone pointing out the flip flopping, revisionism and spin.

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1359258920645238785?s=19

The SD's are really making a show of FF/FG/Greens these days. Sleepy Eamo might be pretending to be asleep to avoid getting told.

Cluedo Monopoly

James Brown wrote: »

The SD's are really making a show of FF/FG/Greens these days. Sleepy Eamo might be pretending to be asleep to avoid getting told.

Yep they are all on fire lately. Great to see.

Cluedo Monopoly

blanch152 wrote: »

It should have been Dublin 15 and Connolly Hospital but the medical lobby pushed against it.

The medical lobby then pushed for a massive overspend?

The blame culture is strong in FG.

markodaly

smurgen wrote: »

Anything.

Why don't SF advocate closing the border with NI?
After all, if it is THAT important!

smurgen

markodaly wrote: »

Why don't SF advocate closing the border with NI?
After all, if it is THAT important!

You missed a few questions asked of you. Maybe answer those before asking fresh questions. I answered yours.

markodaly

James Brown wrote: »

Is that what insiders call Varadkar?

Gas though, even the NCH is not on the government

Just to correct this bit of False News... the site location of the NCH was agreed in 2006 to be in the Mater site, but planning permissions was refused in 2012, thus a new location at St. James was chosen.

RandomViewer

markodaly wrote: »

Why don't SF advocate closing the border with NI?
After all, if it is THAT important!

British army with air support couldn't close the border few fatlads fresh from Templemore in a clapped out Hyundai estate wouldnt have much hope hundred and something crossing compared to a dozen airports and sea ports even the most moronic FG devotee can see which would be easier