FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

Im likely going voting independant next time,mostly impressed with shanahan so far


Things will never change,if we keep voting in ffg

Yeh, right there dude.

Instead of solid government, with good fiscal policies and planning, you will have a bunch of malcontents whose only ambition is to foment disastrous and ludicrous ideals which will only serve to open up the cycle of violence and bloodshed which lasted 30 years.

Take a hike with that, my friend.

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yeh, right there dude.

Instead of solid government, with good fiscal policies and planning, you will have a bunch of malcontents whose only ambition is to foment disastrous and ludicrous ideals which will only serve to open up the cycle of violence and bloodshed which lasted 30 years.

Take a hike with that, my friend.

How is spending billions over budget on a hospiteal,good fiscal policies and planning??



How is matt shanahan a malcontent.....he tells it like it is??

How have you arrived at the conclusion,voting for matt shanahan will cause another round of the troubles...

that must be about the stupidest thing,ive ever read and given the competion for that title,thats some achievement

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

How is spending billions over budget on a hospiteal,good fiscal policies and planning??



How is matt shanahan a malcontent.....he tells it like it is??

How have you arrived at the conclusion,voting for matt shanahan will cause another round of the troubles...

that must be about the stupidest thing,ive ever read and given the competion for that title,thats some achievement

Who is Shanahan going to go into Government with, dude.

Is he going to govern on his own?

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Instead of solid government, with good fiscal policies and planning,

Where would you get one of dem governments Brendi? We are trying to wipe out the debt the power swap got us into when they drove us off a cliff.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

like minded politians.....things will never change,if we keep voting in ffg??



We have a hospital several billio over budget and ffg are sneering that only they have fiscally sound policies....think il look elsewhere anyway

Like minded like who......?

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where would you get one of dem governments Brendi? We are trying to wipe out the debt the power swap got us into when they drove us off a cliff.

What debt did the power swap get us into and drive us off a cliff with?
As far as I remember that was FF mainly, with a highly regarded group at one time called the pds, and the Greens.
Sórt of Like the SDs now.
If I remember correctly the FG part of the swap saved us from hitting the canyon bottom and brought us back above the top.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

How is spending billions over budget on a hospiteal,good fiscal policies and planning??



How is matt shanahan a malcontent.....he tells it like it is??

How have you arrived at the conclusion,voting for matt shanahan will cause another round of the troubles...

that must be about the stupidest thing,ive ever read and given the competion for that title,thats some achievement

Who is Matt Shanahan?

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What debt did the power swap get us into and drive us off a cliff with?
As far as I remember that was FF mainly, with a highly regarded group at one time called the pds, and the Greens.
Sórt of Like the SDs now.
If I remember correctly the FG part of the swap saved us from hitting the canyon bottom and brought us back above the top.

How are the SD like the PD/Green? SD's told FF/FG where to go and Shortall quit Labour over their pandering to FG.
We reached bottom, FG brought their own back with cronyism, a quango and spin, while the people suffered through austerity and still carry a generational debt. Then to show how different they are...FF and FG get married.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Who is Matt Shanahan?

Had a Google there. He's either an Irish TD or an Australian Basketball player. Which do you think?

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

Had a Google there. He's either an Irish TD or an Australian Basketball player. Which do you think?

I think the Australian basketball player rings a bell, the other hasn't featured anywhere to my knowledge. He might exist but who knows or cares?

Bishop of hope

James Brown wrote: »

How are the SD like the PD/Green? SD's told FF/FG where to go and Shortall quit Labour over their pandering to FG.
We reached bottom, FG brought their own back with cronyism, a quango and spin, while the people suffered through austerity and still carry a generational debt. Then to show how different they are...FF and FG get married.

Ridiculous post, we were brought by sound policies.
We had an alternative version of events elsewhere who were paraded on a SF stage and hailed as hero's and the way to go by the greater SF party and support.
That ended badly and left all **** talkers with egg on their faces.
Fine Gael didn't cause the situation that led to our financial meltdown, but did lead us to the situation whee 10 years later, during our current crisis, we can access credit at our ease and economically ride out the situation.
No **** talk will change that.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

I think the Australian basketball player rings a bell, the other hasn't featured anywhere to my knowledge. He might exist but who knows or cares?

It's important if you want to engage in a discussion that cites him. If you've no interest why bother?

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Ridiculous post, we were brought by sound policies.
We had an alternative version of events elsewhere who were paraded on a SF stage and hailed as hero's and the way to go by the greater SF party and support.
That ended badly and left all **** talkers with egg on their faces.
Fine Gael didn't cause the situation that led to our financial meltdown, but did lead us to the situation whee 10 years later, during our current crisis, we can access credit at our ease and economically ride out the situation.
No **** talk will change that.

Hiding behind Sinn Fein again? Really speaks to the weakness of the position of defending FF/FG.

FG picked up where FF left off and followed the lead of the IMF. Another quango, more cronyism and returned to business as usual. Then they partnered up with FF, so forgive me if I smile a little.
Record breaking crises only interrupted by Covid. We will return to FF/FG home grown record breaking crises after Covid no doubt.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What debt did the power swap get us into and drive us off a cliff with?
As far as I remember that was FF mainly, with a highly regarded group at one time called the pds, and the Greens.
Sórt of Like the SDs now.
If I remember correctly the FG part of the swap saved us from hitting the canyon bottom and brought us back above the top.

FF policy with FG demanding more. Fiscal rectitude my eye.

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

Hiding behind Sinn Fein again? Really speaks to the weakness of the position of defending FF/FG.

FG picked up where FF left off and followed the lead of the IMF. Another quango, more cronyism and returned to business as usual. Then they partnered up with FF, so forgive me if I smile a little.
Record breaking crises only interrupted by Covid. We will return to FF/FG home grown record breaking crises after Covid no doubt.

Thankfully we were spared the even bigger record-breaking crises that the Syriza/SF alliance would have landed us with.

What's the record for the most FDI to pull out of a country in a year? Guaranteed that a SF government would set that one.

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Thankfully we were spared the even bigger record-breaking crises that the Syriza/SF alliance would have landed us with.

What's the record for the most FDI to pull out of a country in a year? Guaranteed that a SF government would set that one.

EU going to set that one , tax will be harmonised and they'll be gone,

ExMachina1000

RandomViewer wrote: »

EU going to set that one , tax will be harmonised and they'll be gone,

Remember that time we were told that they were here because of "our highly educated workforce " and then it turned out that the majority of big tech workers come from overseas.

At this stage we all know they are here for tax purposes.

FrancieBrady

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Remember that time we were told that they were here because of "our highly educated workforce " and then it turned out that the majority of big tech workers come from overseas.

At this stage we all know they are here for tax purposes.

They are only here because the Taoiseach goes to the States with a bowl of shamrock I thought.

Yis have Francie befuddled now!

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Thankfully we were spared the even bigger record-breaking crises that the Syriza/SF alliance would have landed us with.

What's the record for the most FDI to pull out of a country in a year? Guaranteed that a SF government would set that one.

It's no surprise in an effort to defend the indefensible power swap two we'd Bish deflecting to SF and you joining in.
It was claimed the SD's were like the PD's/Greens. I was disputing that.

The EU/IMF let us borrow off them. Now that we were good little boys and girls we can borrow at a better rate.
FG then FF/FG changed little. We are working towards fixing what they broke and will break again.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

i find the unwillingness of irishpol to grasp this nettle and ffg insistance of putting virtually all our eggs economically into that one basket unsettling

And the ‘other baskets’ are what?

Bishop of hope

James Brown wrote: »

Hiding behind Sinn Fein again? Really speaks to the weakness of the position of defending FF/FG.

FG picked up where FF left off and followed the lead of the IMF. Another quango, more cronyism and returned to business as usual. Then they partnered up with FF, so forgive me if I smile a little.
Record breaking crises only interrupted by Covid. We will return to FF/FG home grown record breaking crises after Covid no doubt.

You still haven refuted my point, just more blah, but but but.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You still haven refuted my point, just more blah, but but but.

I addressed your point/opinion that the SD's were like PD/Greens. I also tackled your idea that FF/FG both caused and saved us from, well FF/FG :rolleyes:
You ran and hid behind shinners.

Bishop of hope

James Brown wrote: »

I addressed your point/opinion that the SD's were like PD/Greens. I also tackled your idea that FF/FG both caused and saved us from, well FF/FG :rolleyes:
You ran and hid behind shinners.

Pawns is what the SDs are. Like the independent alliance last time, like most junior partners and minority party's.
No shred of them being meaningful until they command a sizable amount of seats.
You can't link a time that FG broke or bankrupted the country. Trying to lump them in with what happened under FF is grossly misrepresenting history.
Nothing refuted as I said, just the usual buts and blahs,.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Pawns is what the SDs are. Like the independent alliance last time, like most junior partners and minority party's.
No shred of them being meaningful until they command a sizable amount of seats.
You can't link a time that FG broke or bankrupted the country. Trying to lump them in with what happened under FF is grossly misrepresenting history.
Nothing refuted as I said, just the usual buts and blahs,.

How are they Pawns? So FG are Pawns?
That's a very FG view IMO. Ironic considering FG's standing. Smaller parties are mere pawns. What must FG think of the public voted for them?
I didn't, however they were complaining FF weren't spending enough during the boom. FF did such a bad job FG partnered with them
You are only now elaborating on how you feel the SD's are like the PD's/Greens. It seems to be all parties with less seats are pawns? I disagree. The Greens/Labour/PD's allowed themselves be used, not so the SDs. As I pointed out.
You are the one start banging on about shinners so 'blah, blah, blah' yourself.

FrancieBrady

James Brown wrote: »

How are they Pawns? So FG are Pawns?
That's a very FG view IMO. Ironic considering FG's standing. Smaller parties are mere pawns.
I didn't, however they were complaining FF weren't spending enough during the boom. FF did such a bad job FG partnered with them
You are only now elaborating on how you feel the SD's are like the PD's/Greens. It seems to be all parties with less seats are pawns? I disagree. The Greens/Labour/PD's allowed themselves be used, not so the SDs. As I pointed out.
You are the one start banging on about shinners so 'blah, blah, blah' yourself.

There are very few outside FG who would believe that FG wouldn't have had us in the same mess had it been their turn in power swap.

Cluedo Monopoly

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Pawns is what the SDs are. Like the independent alliance last time, like most junior partners and minority party's.
No shred of them being meaningful until they command a sizable amount of seats.

Give it time. They went from 2 to 6 in 2020 and those 6 already look more capable that most of the cabinet and the 3 unwise men.

I think the Social Democrats will go from strength to strength as FF and FG merge into the same dodgy entity with entitlement issues.

Brendan Bendar

Ignoring the fact that it’s saving us in the current pandemic

Bishop of hope

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Give it time. They went from 2 to 6 in 2020 and those 6 already look more capable that most of the cabinet and the 3 unwise men.

I think the Social Democrats will go from strength to strength as FF and FG merge into the same dodgy entity with entitlement issues.

And believe it or not, I hope so.
They could become a viable entity in time and hopefully offer a real alternative with no baggage or hidden agenda other than representing their constituents.
But they have two high profile TD's, Murphy and Shortall, both the wrong side the beginning of the end game for starting a political revolution.
They, and Labour are among a group who cowed away from a chance to make a difference after the last election, opting instead to hurl from the ditch, never lose a game on the ditch you know, instead of taking a responsible role during the pandemic.
At the minute I'd put them in the "cute hoor" category

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Local domestic indistries....we have a massive agri-machinery manufactering industry work to corner market on that

Develop the manufactire of out-of-patent drugs,and corner the market on this with a reputation for excellence


Help to redirect our agri-food industry towards providing high value cuts and open up the offal processing licences to allow smaller,more specialised processers emerge and support them in export market


We have several deep water harbours on the island,devlop infrastructire around these,so as we become main landing/processing point for more goods entering europe on a 24hr basis.....we are no farther from southern europe now,than rotterham with the ireland to framce boat link



For the love of jesus,wean off our over relience on fdi and low corp tax,that will eventually cause diaster here

Bye bye after that happens.
It's a way of ending the housing crisis I suppose, because most of working age will likely be gone.

Bishop of hope

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How so?


Ive provided 4 reasonable areas for econmic expansion....what informs your view that this will collapse the econmy and force everyone under age of 65 to leave??

If you don't know then that is why anyone espousing that politically with intent to implement is dangerous.
Corporation tax is our saviour.
Multinationals are by far our biggest employers and pay our highest wages.
You mention pharmaceuticals in your original post, where do most of them originate?
Yes, we would have mass emigration if this sector is harmed and less need for housing.
Roughly 400, 000 of our taxpayers are in the fdi employment sector.