FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Was it Fergal Bowers of RTÉ?
I think I read that somewhere.
Pretty daft wasn't it, who decides on these issues, if it was the pr advisor that made the decision and he worked for me he'd be toast today.
If it was the Minister then he should be, this was farcical to say the least.
Why didn't they just do a press release statement ffs if they didn't want unwanted scrutiny?

Seen people 'hoping' it was Bowers on twitter last night, but didn't see it confirmed.
It should be.

Floppybits

It does look like certain folk in FF are beginning to crack, we had Donnelly only wanting to answer questions from certain journalists and now you have Darragh O'Brien not happy with the way homeless deaths are reported. Now he wants to catagorise them in other words similar to unemployment figures and alot of the other figures he wants to fiddle them.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40226213.html

blanch152

Floppybits wrote: »

It does look like certain folk in FF are beginning to crack, we had Donnelly only wanting to answer questions from certain journalists and now you have Darragh O'Brien not happy with the way homeless deaths are reported. Now he wants to catagorise them in other words similar to unemployment figures and alot of the other figures he wants to fiddle them.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40226213.html

Some very good news hidden in that article.

"The latest Homeless Quarterly Progress Report, taking in the last three months of 2020, shows that 8,200 individuals were accessing emergency accommodation last December, a decrease of 1,531 compared with the same period in 2019."

That is a decrease of 15.7% in a year.

"There was also a decrease of 578 families (37.3%) in the number of homeless families across the same period, which the Department of Housing said was the lowest number of families in emergency accommodation since March 2016."

This truly shows progress and is not just a temporary Covid situation as some of the more bitter commentators have suggested.

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Some very good news hidden in that article.

"The latest Homeless Quarterly Progress Report, taking in the last three months of 2020, shows that 8,200 individuals were accessing emergency accommodation last December, a decrease of 1,531 compared with the same period in 2019."

That is a decrease of 15.7% in a year.

"There was also a decrease of 578 families (37.3%) in the number of homeless families across the same period, which the Department of Housing said was the lowest number of families in emergency accommodation since March 2016."

This truly shows progress and is not just a temporary Covid situation as some of the more bitter commentators have suggested.

No airB&B so rented to social, what happens when pandemic ends ,will they all be thrown on the street?

Tokyo

Mod: Off-topic posts deleted. Brendan Bendar - try to stick to something remotely approaching the topic, thanks.

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

No airB&B so rented to social, what happens when pandemic ends ,will they all be thrown on the street?

Do you have evidence or statistics for this?

RandomViewer

RandomViewer wrote: »

No airB&B so rented to social, what happens when pandemic ends ,will they all be thrown on the street?

A discussion on some radio station today suggesting closing AirBnBs as some are still welcoming guests!

Cluedo Monopoly

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0215/1197334-ogorman-defends-deletion-of-witness-recordings/

Minister for Children Roderic O'Gorman has defended the deletion of audio files of witness testimony at the Mother and Baby Homes Commission, saying it was done to protect people who wanted to speak confidentially to the inquiry.

Survivors' groups and some opposition TDs have criticised the destruction of the material and have called for the Commission's timeframe to be extended to deal with the controversy.

Speaking on RTÉ's News at One, Sinn Féin TD Ms Funchion said the Committee is being told very clearly from survivors who gave testimonies, and who remember the day because "it was a such a traumatic experience", that they were not told that these records were going to be destroyed.

O'Gorman is only protecting FF and FG.

Disgusting. Heaping abuse upon abuse. Keep those emails going, it's making a difference.
If you have Green TDs in your constituency, warn them that they will take the hit for being the shield to truth and justice.

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

A discussion on some radio station today suggesting closing AirBnBs as some are still welcoming guests!

Guests ≠ rented out to social welfare recipients in need of housing?

I'll answer that, it wasn't, and the radio station in question was Newstalk, if anyone wants to listen back.

Cluedo Monopoly

The Social Democrats are doing their best to do the right thing by the Mother and Baby home survivors.

https://twitter.com/WhitmoreJen/status/1359954366912995328

Will O'Gorman do the right thing or will be continue the whitewash/coverup for FFG?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Some very good news hidden in that article.

"The latest Homeless Quarterly Progress Report, taking in the last three months of 2020, shows that 8,200 individuals were accessing emergency accommodation last December, a decrease of 1,531 compared with the same period in 2019."

That is a decrease of 15.7% in a year.

"There was also a decrease of 578 families (37.3%) in the number of homeless families across the same period, which the Department of Housing said was the lowest number of families in emergency accommodation since March 2016."

This truly shows progress and is not just a temporary Covid situation as some of the more bitter commentators have suggested.

So covering and fudging the facts is 'sweet'? Posting direct quotes with facts to back them up is not 'suggesting'.
You've been shown up on this time and again. Reporting the figures are lower like it changes anything is repetitive dishonesty.
Nobody disagrees numbers are down.
Coincidental the numbers drop off from late March 2020 :rolleyes:

blanch152

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0215/1197334-ogorman-defends-deletion-of-witness-recordings/



O'Gorman is only protecting FF and FG.

Disgusting. Heaping abuse upon abuse. Keep those emails going, it's making a difference.
If you have Green TDs in your constituency, warn them that they will take the hit for being the shield to truth and justice.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0215/1197334-ogorman-defends-deletion-of-witness-recordings/

"The inquiry said that witnesses were told in advance that audio files of their testimonies would be deleted after being used as an "aide memoire" for the report."

This is either true or it is not. If the information sent to potential witnesses included this information, then everyone knew.

James Brown

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The Social Democrats are doing their best to do the right thing by the Mother and Baby home survivors.

https://twitter.com/WhitmoreJen/status/1359954366912995328

Will O'Gorman do the right thing or will be continue the whitewash/coverup for FFG?

It's despicable. They should hang their heads in shame. Just another "report" and cover up.

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

So covering and fudging the facts is 'sweet'? Posting direct quotes with facts to back them up is not 'suggesting'.
You've been shown up on this time and again. Reporting the figures are lower like it changes anything is repetitive dishonesty.
Nobody disagrees numbers are down.
Coincidental the numbers drop off from late March 2020 :rolleyes:

The numbers drop off from November 2019.

Maybe some people believe Covid was circulating months earlier.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The numbers drop off from November 2019.

Maybe some people believe Covid was circulating months earlier.

I was going by Focus Ireland graph.

You are still taking Focus Ireland as a source? I know it's not talk from Darragh but still.

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

I was going by Focus Ireland graph.

You are still taking Focus Ireland as a source? I know it's not talk from Darragh but still.

My apologies, it wasn't November 2019. Numbers actually peaked at 10,514 in October 2019, so they have been falling since then, with a little dip further in December 2019.

Bubbaclaus

Floppybits wrote: »

It does look like certain folk in FF are beginning to crack, we had Donnelly only wanting to answer questions from certain journalists and now you have Darragh O'Brien not happy with the way homeless deaths are reported. Now he wants to catagorise them in other words similar to unemployment figures and alot of the other figures he wants to fiddle them.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40226213.html

I do see where he is coming from there. Its harder to analyse the data when every death of homeless people is bundled into the one dataset. It should be separated out into different causes and then they can target improvement of services in areas where the deaths may have been preventable.

James Brown

Drive Time on RTE now. New affordable housing going to stick it to the tax payer and buyer so prices can be kept high.
Basically loans for houses with the LA having equity in the home. Shown to drive up prices and as seen before can lead to people having loans they can't maintain. As usual the tax payer is picking up the slack so prices can stay high. The tax payer help in supplying a customer base to private business.
Darragh getting snippy when presented with the facts.
Seems FF/FG are treating the term 'affordable housing' the same way they did 'social housing', very very loosely.

Brendan Bendar

James Brown wrote: »

Drive Time on RTE now. New affordable housing going to stick it to the tax payer and buyer so prices can be kept high.
Basically loans for houses with the LA having equity in the home. Shown to drive up prices and as seen before can lead to people having loans they can't maintain. As usual the tax payer is picking up the slack so prices can stay high. The tax payer help in supplying a customer base to private business.
Darragh getting snippy when presented with the facts.
Seems FF/FG are treating the term 'affordable housing' the same way they did 'social housing', very very loosely.

Darragh.....? What Darragh?

Jinglejangle69

Floppybits wrote: »

It does look like certain folk in FF are beginning to crack, we had Donnelly only wanting to answer questions from certain journalists and now you have Darragh O'Brien not happy with the way homeless deaths are reported. Now he wants to catagorise them in other words similar to unemployment figures and alot of the other figures he wants to fiddle them.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40226213.html

He's right though.

All we heard in the past is 10,000 people on the streets.

It's complete lies once you drill down into this homeless scam.

Brendan Bendar

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

He's right though.

All we heard in the past is 10,000 people on the streets.

It's complete lies once you drill down into this homeless scam.

What is the boy Brown going on about “Darragh getting snippy”. ?

Cluedo Monopoly

It's great that the coalition of chaos will organise the mandatory hotel quarantine to be ready when the pandemic is over. They are still trying to figure out how to do it...

smurgen

FG interfering with an independent body. Are they ever not at it? Trying to get the ESRI to change its opening statement to the Oireachtas in relation to housing.

"In an unusual move, Government members were critical of the ESRI’s comments at a sitting of the Housing Committee today and encouraged the Institute to change its opening statement, as they claimed that it did not take into account all aspects of the proposed Bill.

“Can you use this opportunity here now to acknowledge that your opening statement only deals with two of the three elements of the Bill and therefore could be misleading if it is read as a commentary of the full Bill?" said Fine Gael TD Emer Higgins."

https://amp.independent.ie/news/government-tds-put-pressure-on-esri-to-amend-statements-on-affordable-housing-bill-40098458.html?__twitter_impression=true

Brendan Bendar

smurgen wrote: »

FG interfering with an independent body. Are they ever not at it? Trying to get the ESRI to change its opening statement to the Oireachtas in relation to housing.

"In an unusual move, Government members were critical of the ESRI’s comments at a sitting of the Housing Committee today and encouraged the Institute to change its opening statement, as they claimed that it did not take into account all aspects of the proposed Bill.

“Can you use this opportunity here now to acknowledge that your opening statement only deals with two of the three elements of the Bill and therefore could be misleading if it is read as a commentary of the full Bill?" said Fine Gael TD Emer Higgins."

https://amp.independent.ie/news/government-tds-put-pressure-on-esri-to-amend-statements-on-affordable-housing-bill-40098458.html?__twitter_impression=true

What is the boy Brown going on about “Darragh” for.?

Gone strangely quiet...... :cool:

ShineOn7

The great mysteries of the world:

The pyramids of Giza, the hanging gardens of Babylon, the colossus of Rhodes

And how the fúck Donnelly still has a job as "minister"

https://twitter.com/ciaraphelan_/status/1361428312564899846

Bishop of hope

Aodhán ó Riordan talking through his hoop on RTE news.
Talking about certainty while pointing out its hard to be certain what is best for school reopening and exams.
Stuttering over questions, yes the image of certainty.

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

FG interfering with an independent body. Are they ever not at it? Trying to get the ESRI to change its opening statement to the Oireachtas in relation to housing.

"In an unusual move, Government members were critical of the ESRI’s comments at a sitting of the Housing Committee today and encouraged the Institute to change its opening statement, as they claimed that it did not take into account all aspects of the proposed Bill.

“Can you use this opportunity here now to acknowledge that your opening statement only deals with two of the three elements of the Bill and therefore could be misleading if it is read as a commentary of the full Bill?" said Fine Gael TD Emer Higgins."

https://amp.independent.ie/news/government-tds-put-pressure-on-esri-to-amend-statements-on-affordable-housing-bill-40098458.html?__twitter_impression=true

This must be the biggest stretch of imagination on this thread.

It made me laugh. The reason that public bodies go before Oireachtas committees is to be questioned hard about what they do and say.

You could have just posted

"Government TDs do their job, but I want to complain about it!"

blanch152

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What is the boy Brown going on about “Darragh” for.?

Gone strangely quiet...... :cool:

He still hasn't accepted my apology for being wrong that the decline in homelessness started in November 2019, when it actually started in October 2019.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

He's right though.

All we heard in the past is 10,000 people on the streets.

It's complete lies once you drill down into this homeless scam.

How do you feel about the government spending so much tax money on a scam?

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

FG interfering with an independent body. Are they ever not at it? Trying to get the ESRI to change its opening statement to the Oireachtas in relation to housing.

"In an unusual move, Government members were critical of the ESRI’s comments at a sitting of the Housing Committee today and encouraged the Institute to change its opening statement, as they claimed that it did not take into account all aspects of the proposed Bill.

“Can you use this opportunity here now to acknowledge that your opening statement only deals with two of the three elements of the Bill and therefore could be misleading if it is read as a commentary of the full Bill?" said Fine Gael TD Emer Higgins."

https://amp.independent.ie/news/government-tds-put-pressure-on-esri-to-amend-statements-on-affordable-housing-bill-40098458.html?__twitter_impression=true

No, no, no. FF/FG never interfere..... :rolleyes: