FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Whatisthisnow

Finty Lemon wrote: »

We do have a plan and it is being implemented.
That might not suit the narrative for some but it is a reality

What is the plan?

Why are a EU country similar of size told they will be all vaccinated by June?
All we have heard is leaks that we are in lockdown until May

Finty Lemon

McMurphy wrote: »

Hi Finty. (And bishop if he's "out" but maybe still "lurking")

Does Brunei/Borneo have a govt unit literally called "Shared Island Unit"?

Well we do here in Ireland.

It was introduced by the FFG GOVT. That's who this thread is about.



Jesus Christ lads, some of you would argue black is white FFS.

Trump wouldn't get a look in.

The shared island unit surely proves the point that ROI is not an island, no?

ROI is a country that shares and island with another country (the clue is in the name).
71% of NI voters and 94% of ROI voters concurred when last asked to vote on it. If that changes by democratic vote some time in future, I will accept that too.

Finty Lemon

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

What is the plan?

Why are a EU country similar of size told they will be all vaccinated by June?
All we have heard is leaks that we are in lockdown until May

Maybe you should read the plan and not be too reliant on hearsay.

Bubbaclaus

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Denmark plan to be fully vaccinated by the end of June

Ireland plan to, eh something Sinn Fein

[Deleted User] wrote: »

uk is on brink of reopening,we cant even get over 70s done before end of summer

Patethic

I'm not sure if you guys are being deliberately disingenuous or what, but we will have the same timeline as Denmark as we will be receiving the same volume of vaccines per capita. Denmark have issued an extremely optimistic timeline as it includes deliveries being on time for vaccines that haven't even been approved yet. Ireland is giving more cautious timelines purely because things can go wrong with vaccine deliveries and approvals, not because we are going to be slower.

If Ireland gave a similar optimistic date, and it ended up being wrong by a month or 2 due to reasons outside of Irelands control, we know who would get the grief anyway.

Whatisthisnow

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Maybe you should read the plan and not be too reliant on hearsay.

What is the plan? Have you a link to it

How many will we have vaccinated at end of June, close to Denmarks 100%?

McMurphy

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The shared island unit surely proves the point that ROI is not an island, no?

ROI is a country that shares and island with another country (the clue is in the name).
71% of NI voters and 94% of ROI voters concurred when last asked to vote on it. If that changes by democratic vote some time in future, I will accept that too.

We know we share with another jurisdiction, that's why (and I posted) it makes more sense to implement an all island policy.

I also posted that some political partys in the north have been calling for this, and with out it, it's pointless doing anything else. Can you show me where anyone from FFG offered any support to SF/SDLP with that proposal btw?

There's no point banning UK-Ireland flights if someone can fly into - Belfast and travel on to Carlow etc.

No point Belfast banning flights, unless the same thing is done here, otherwise someone could fly into Dublin and travel on up to Dungiven.

Arguing over the head of a pin for Christ sake. We do live on an Island, black isn't white and night isn't day Finty.

FrancieBrady

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The shared island unit surely proves the point that ROI is not an island, no?

ROI is a country that shares and island with another country (the clue is in the name).
71% of NI voters and 94% of ROI voters concurred when last asked to vote on it. If that changes by democratic vote some time in future, I will accept that too.

Constitutionally we believe we are an island. What has the current government done within the international agreements pertaining to these islands about securing the 'whole' island.

If you can lay it out in bullet points in your answer that would be good.

Finty Lemon

Sounds like the Danish President is having to deal with the nitpickers too...

Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has denied she gave the impression that the decision to enter lockdown in March 2020 was based purely on health authorities' advice. The government maintained from the outset that the decision was taken by politicians, the PM argued in parliament on Wednesday.

“I do not agree that the government may have left the impression that the government’s decision was based one-to-one on recommendations from health authorities or other authorities,” she said.

An expert group last week concluded that the government, rather than health authorities, was the main driver in the decision to implement the lockdown in Denmark at the outset of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Critics have accused Frederiksen of being dishonest with the public by characterising the March 11th, 2020 announcement that Denmark was to go into lockdown as being based on the advice of medical authorities.

At the March 11th briefing, Frederiksen said it was “the recommendation of health authorities that we close down all unnecessary activity in (societal) areas for a period of time. We are applying a principle of caution.”

But that quote does not conform with the overall context given during the briefing, at which the lockdown was announced and explained, she said on Wednesday.

“That was in no way what was meant by the sentence in question, that was not the message at that press briefing or the many following press briefings,” she said.

“It is harsh to take individual lines out of all the communication coming from the government in a crisis like this,” she added.

The prime minister made the comments in response to a question submitted by the Danish People’s Party, which has called for her to respond over the report.

Whatisthisnow

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Sounds like the Danish President is having to deal with the nitpickers too...

Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has denied she gave the impression that the decision to enter lockdown in March 2020 was based purely on health authorities' advice. The government maintained from the outset that the decision was taken by politicians, the PM argued in parliament on Wednesday.

“I do not agree that the government may have left the impression that the government’s decision was based one-to-one on recommendations from health authorities or other authorities,” she said.

An expert group last week concluded that the government, rather than health authorities, was the main driver in the decision to implement the lockdown in Denmark at the outset of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Critics have accused Frederiksen of being dishonest with the public by characterising the March 11th, 2020 announcement that Denmark was to go into lockdown as being based on the advice of medical authorities.

At the March 11th briefing, Frederiksen said it was “the recommendation of health authorities that we close down all unnecessary activity in (societal) areas for a period of time. We are applying a principle of caution.”

But that quote does not conform with the overall context given during the briefing, at which the lockdown was announced and explained, she said on Wednesday.

“That was in no way what was meant by the sentence in question, that was not the message at that press briefing or the many following press briefings,” she said.

“It is harsh to take individual lines out of all the communication coming from the government in a crisis like this,” she added.

The prime minister made the comments in response to a question submitted by the Danish People’s Party, which has called for her to respond over the report.

So no link to Irelands plan

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Constitutionally we believe we are an island. What has the current government done within the international agreements pertaining to these islands about securing the 'whole' island.

If you can lay it out in bullet points in your answer that would be good.

Constitutionally we recognize separate jurisdictions on the island. Reading the 19th Amendment, as it pertains to Article 3, will clarify for you.

Finty Lemon

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

So no link to Irelands plan

It is available on the HSE website if you wish to familiarize yourself

Cluedo Monopoly

Someone should tell businesses there is a plan.

https://idahocafe.tumblr.com/post/643723682811887616/a-few-carefully-chosen-words-to-our-taoiseach-we

We don’t understand why you still haven’t worked out a quarantine plan.

We don’t understand the communication shambles.

We don’t understand the contempt that you show to half a million people.

All we ask of you, is leadership, We don’t expect dynamism, just leadership.

Do not pretend, lead.

Get your ministers and advisors together, form a cogent plan, go on national television, look us in the eye and tell us what it is and why we are doing it.

This morning, nearly half a million retail workers, musicians, hotel managers and former taxpayers are waiting, waiting for you to lead.

Waiting for you to tell us that there is a plan.

Whatisthisnow

Finty Lemon wrote: »

It is available on the HSE website if you wish to familiarize yourself

I was on their website and all i can see is vaccine rollout and no dates or targets for anything. That is not a plan

Bubbaclaus

This sarcastic post from the vaccines thread seems fitting

zuutroy wrote: »

I found the following data on a website that I can't remember and I'm outraged by it:

Everywhere else - Excellent
Ireland - Terrible

Bubbaclaus

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

I was on their website and all i can see is vaccine rollout and no dates or targets for anything. That is not a plan

Did you read this bit?

"Because supplies of vaccines are limited at the moment, it is not possible to give an exact time for the vaccination of the next groups. We understand this is disappointing as so many people are looking forward to getting their vaccine.

We will publish more information about these later phases when they have been agreed. The rollout of vaccines will only be limited by supply. There will be no build-up of stock."

I think a plan to give out the vaccines as soon as they come in to the country sounds like a pretty sensible target to set to me. Putting in dates seems a bit pointless given Ireland can't control the deliveries. You'd basically be making them up.

Whatisthisnow

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Did you read this bit?

"Because supplies of vaccines are limited at the moment, it is not possible to give an exact time for the vaccination of the next groups. We understand this is disappointing as so many people are looking forward to getting their vaccine.

We will publish more information about these later phases when they have been agreed. The rollout of vaccines will only be limited by supply. There will be no build-up of stock."

I think a plan to give out the vaccines as soon as they come in to the country sounds like a pretty sensible target to set to me. Putting in dates seems a bit pointless given Ireland can't control the deliveries. You'd basically be making them up.

That will re-assure the hundreds of thousands out of work

Bubbaclaus

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

That will re-assure the hundreds of thousands out of work

I'm sure it will smurg. Reassuring that ambitious targets have been set to use all vaccine doses as they arrive, literally cannot do better than that

FrancieBrady

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Constitutionally we recognize separate jurisdictions on the island. Reading the 19th Amendment, as it pertains to Article 3, will clarify for you.

Can you answer the question?

Whatisthisnow

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm sure it will smurg. Reassuring that ambitious targets have been set to use all vaccine doses as they arrive, literally cannot do better than that

Whats the plan to get the testing and tracing upto standard?

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you answer the question?

Yes. Can you read the constitution?

Finty Lemon

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Whats the plan to get the testing and tracing upto standard?

Moving on from vaccinations....

FrancieBrady

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Yes. Can you read the constitution?

Whenever you are ready:

Constitutionally we believe we are an island. What has the current government done within the international agreements pertaining to these islands about securing the 'whole' island?

If you can lay it out in bullet points in your answer that would be good.

Whatisthisnow

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Moving on from vaccinations....

Yes the vaccinations are very slow.

The testing and tracing scandal is going on a year.

Finty Lemon

Would it be fair to say that the right wing, free market governments of Israel and the UK have set the bar for procurement of vaccines?

And by extension that there is merit in their methods? That seems to be the implied message given the repeated comparisons made on here. It is quite volte face from the Student socialists and Andersonstown activists. I take it as a sign of growing maturity.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Are you.

Yeah defo sure now. Thanks for the confirmation. The water there surrounding it should have been the give away.

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Whenever you are ready:

Constitutionally we believe we are an island. What has the current government done within the international agreements pertaining to these islands about securing the 'whole' island?

If you can lay it out in bullet points in your answer that would be good.

'Constitutionally we believe we are an island' That belongs on a T Shirt.

James Brown

Finty Lemon wrote: »

'Constitutionally we believe we are an island' That belongs on a T Shirt.

You pick a direction and tell us when you feel your feet getting wet.

Reminds me of a story a mate of mine told me. He was taking a philosophy module and the chap wanted them to discuss and explain if the door was or wasn't there. My mate got up and walked out of it.

'Technically we are not an Island' should be cleaned off the jax wall.

FrancieBrady

Finty Lemon wrote: »

'Constitutionally we believe we are an island' That belongs on a T Shirt.

It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation. That is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of Ireland. Furthermore, the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage.

Now can you answer the question:

What has the current government done within the international agreements pertaining to these islands about securing the 'whole' island?

If you can lay it out in bullet points in your answer that would be good.

Whatisthisnow

https://twitter.com/eoghanymurphy/status/1363781381495603200?s=19

Back to the square one with the schools it seems

Bishop of hope

James Brown wrote: »

Yeah defo sure now. Thanks for the confirmation. The water there surrounding it should have been the give away.

Yeah, Cavan and Monaghan have a beautiful coastline.