FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Fann Linn

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So no source for your claim of just under 50k vaccinations a month for the upcoming months then? That would be a massive and unexpected slow down just when we are anticipating a large ramp up of deliveries.

We're 653,000 net short of our allocation to date according to Kelly in DE today.

Fann Linn

H. Humphries temporary Justice Minister for next 6 months according to rte breaking news.

expectationlost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSByA_ZxJso

your new minister for Justice who abused her powers to appoint a party member to a state board to burnish his credentials for a Seanad seat

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Ah Mary stop messing.

10% have had their 1st dose. Many vaccines require 2 doses to be fully effective (e.g. Pfizer, the vaccine most used in Ireland to date)

No more that 4% of the population are fully vaccinated. Fully vaccinated is the key.

RTE claimed via the Dept of Health that it was 3% 1 week ago. I provided you the link.

Here it is again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200975-hse-coronavirus-briefing/



Are you disputing this fully vaccinated number now?

I’m simply pointing out the difference between fully vaccinated and first vaccination only. Nothing difficult there, is there?

markodaly

Nobotty wrote: »

97% arent vaccinated
Next month it will be 96
The following will be 95
90 by xmas
Its a holy show and with the variants,a guarantee of more lockdowns in the summer and fall with 100s more deaths

Your numbers are wrong.

This government are an incompetent disgrace
You may aswell be asking about the Dubai entry in the outdoor snowman competition as talk about EU vaccination and our place in that league

Well, I think it is important to have a proper benchmark against our EU neighbours, don't you think. If Ireland is in the top 25% of people vaccinated, then how can one deem it a 'disgrace'.
Honest question.

Nobotty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m simply pointing out the difference between fully vaccinated and first vaccination only. Nothing difficult there, is there?

Whats difficult is watching on as the EU bureocracy runs a vaccine roll out like treacle and our government ignoring avenues to get more vaccine untill theyre all gone
Not accetable
At a minimum at this stage legal action should be taken agsinst Astrazenica

markodaly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Hopefully its 4% by now.

OK, so if the benchmark is 'fully' vaccinated, Ireland is beating the UK.

Nobotty

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So no source for your claim of just under 50k vaccinations a month for the upcoming months then? That would be a massive and unexpected slow down just when we are anticipating a large ramp up of deliveries.

Large ramp up of deliveries?
That'll be the end of the summer
We've heard it all before,backtrack after backtrack
Forgive me if I ssy I"ll believe it when I see it
It won t happen because of any special effort from this hovernment
Their attitude serms to be to do the bare minimum
Forget about 2021

Nobotty

Nobotty wrote: »

Whats difficult is watching on as the EU bureocracy runs a vaccine roll out like treacle and our government ignoring avenues to get more vaccine untill theyre all gone
Not accetable
At a minimum at this stage lrgsl action should be taken agsinst Astrazenica

So, it’s a rant against the EU now?

Fact is that we’re doing as well as some and better than other countries.
All this negativity is bad for you. There’s light at the end of the tunnel. Focus on that.

markodaly

Nobotty wrote: »

Large ramp up of deliveries?
That'll be the end of the summer
We've heard it all before,backtrack after backtrack
Forgive me if I ssy I"ll believe it when I see it
It won t happen because of any special effort from this hovernment
Their attitude serms to be to do the bare minimum
Forget about 2021

What exactly do you want the government to do?
Magic up spare vaccines in a day?

Nobotty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So, it’s a rant against the EU now?

Fact is that we’re doing as well as some and better than other countries.
All this negativity is bad for you. There’s light at the end of the tunnel. Focus on that.

Nope,its an indictment agsinst a government doing the bare minimum
Deference to the EU process beng more important to them than being clever with the nations health
Its just not acceptable

Nobotty

markodaly wrote: »

What exactly do you want the government to do?
Magic up spare vaccines in a day?

Read back up thread
Pay double or treble the going rate when they should have done
Do what Hungary did who smelt the coffee a lot sooner than our incompetent lot
10s of millions versus billions spent on the PuP
Rip roaring incompetence and hand sitting
No intuition at all ftom probably the highest paid most waste of money cabinet in the world

markodaly

Nobotty wrote: »

Read back up thread
Pay double or treble the going rate when they should have done
Do what Hungary did who smelt the coffee a lot sooner than our incompetent lot
10s of millions versus billions spent on the PuP
Rip roaring incompetence and hand sitting
No intuition at all ftom probably the highest paid most waste of money cabinet in the world

So you want to build a time machine and go back 9 months and do things differently.

That isn't really a workable policy to help us now though.

James Brown

expectationlost wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSByA_ZxJso

your new minister for Justice who abused her powers to appoint a party member to a state board to burnish his credentials for a Seanad seat

Not to mention 'passing on' a letter of recommendation for a man guilty of abusing animals, with previous for abusing animals.

Nobotty

markodaly wrote: »

So you want to build a time machine and go back 9 months and do things differently.

That isn't really a workable policy to help us now though.

No
I want constructive criticism
I want a minister for rollout and procurement like there is in the UK
I want the Russian Ambassador called in to see if even a 100,000 sputnik can be sourced now to counteract the inevitable further shortfalls later in the year
Simple little things
Oh and Id join the Denmark Austria Israel collaberation right away snd be having meetings with pharma based here so for next year and the following we can be producing here

I dont want the ad infinutum carry on untill we're quite literally carried off with our current set up

Nobotty

Nobotty wrote: »

Whats difficult is watching on as the EU bureocracy runs a vaccine roll out like treacle and our government ignoring avenues to get more vaccine untill theyre all gone
Not accetable
At a minimum at this stage legal action should be taken agsinst Astrazenica

Seeing as some countries have stopped using AstraZeneca due to concerns about its safety, why would we be taking action against them?

Nobotty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seeing as some countries have stopped using AstraZeneca due to concerns about its safety, why would we be taking action against them?

Because they are not fulfilling their contract with the EU

Bannasidhe

James Brown wrote: »

Not to mention 'passing on' a letter of recommendation for a man guilty of abusing animals, with previous for abusing animals.

Not just previous, the man in question is literally banned for life from owning livestock due to previous convictions for animal neglect and abuse.
Information that was in the public domain prior to the about to be acting Minister for Justice couriering a letter to the court on his behalf.

Nobotty

Nobotty wrote: »

Because they are not fulfilling their contract with the EU

Maybe they’re having to investigate deaths that may be associated with the vaccine? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9350283/Denmark-suspends-AstraZeneca-vaccine-effect-fears.html

Bannasidhe

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe they’re having to investigate deaths that may be associated with the vaccine? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9350283/Denmark-suspends-AstraZeneca-vaccine-effect-fears.html

Nice try.
However the delays began long before there was any alleged link between the AZ vaccine and some people developing blood clots.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe they’re having to investigate deaths that may be associated with the vaccine? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9350283/Denmark-suspends-AstraZeneca-vaccine-effect-fears.html

Because they are usually very thorough and ahead of the curve? It takes members of the public dying and people kicking and screaming to be heard and that's after the state put up roadblocks and drag people through the courts.

As with Bexit, they'd plenty of warning a vaccine was coming but weren't prepared. You don't have to have an item on hand to organise the logistics required in advance, as is common practice.

Bubbaclaus

Possibly the most pointless meeting possible. Probably just set up for the optics, and I can see why it has been set up for that purpose given the pressure to do so, but such a meeting won't actually change anything.


RTE news : Taoiseach seeks meeting with CEO of AstraZeneca

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0311/1203364-coronavirus-ireland-politics/

Bubbaclaus

Positive news for Ireland with us moving down the severity gradients in the EU system.

muddypuppy wrote: »

New map of the semaphore EU system is out, Ireland moved from all red to mostly orange this week (https://reopen.europa.eu/en).

markodaly

To bring some perspective..

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1369761730377773060

blanch152

markodaly wrote: »

To bring some perspective..

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1369761730377773060

"It's divorced from reality, fuelled by misinformation and people who don't know what they're talking about."

You could say that about nearly all the complaints on this thread about the government's handling of the virus.

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Why doesn't our govt adjust their vaccine supply projections/forecasts in line with previous experience? That way they don't look so incompetent when blaming supply all the time. For example if AZ commit to provide 100k doses in April but have an actual rate of 75% then the government does some risk planning and forecasts 75k doses.

I know...government and 'planning'

Anyone?

blanch152

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Anyone?

Because if they get the 100k they will have 25k lying around and nobody to give them to.

Much better to hand out the vaccines than have spare ones lying unused.

The performance of the HSE in having over 95% of deliveries used within a week is the key yardstick, and they are doing really well on that basis.

Cluedo Monopoly

blanch152 wrote: »

Because if they get the 100k they will have 25k lying around and nobody to give them to.

Much better to hand out the vaccines than have spare ones lying unused.

The performance of the HSE in having over 95% of deliveries used within a week is the key yardstick, and they are doing really well on that basis.

You totally missed the point. Completely. They already have plenty of lists for 'spare' vaccines.

Better to just keep saying they are missing targets so?

blanch152

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

You totally missed the point. Completely.

Better to just keep saying they are missing targets so?

Well, yes, this isn't about the publicity or the faux criticisms from the opposition, this is about saving lives. Getting every single vaccine out there is more important than the message.

Cluedo Monopoly

blanch152 wrote: »

Well, yes, this isn't about the publicity or the faux criticisms from the opposition, this is about saving lives. Getting every single vaccine out there is more important than the message.

Yes indeed. Clear communications have never been a priority!