FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Finty Lemon

Denmark 3.9% fully vaccinated
Ireland 3.3% fully vaccinated

We are behind in real terms by the equivalent of the population of Navan.
Disgraceful.

Nobotty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There you have it. Not the government’s fault after all.

Its not the governments fault that they didnt try to mitigate looming EU treacle?
Give me a break!
Hungary's officials paid a fraction of Dublins advisors and cabinet smelt the coffee
Our lot incompetently sat on their hands

Nobotty

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Denmark 3.9% fully vaccinated
Ireland 3.3% fully vaccinated

We are behind in real terms by the equivalent of the population of Navan.
Disgraceful.

You miss the point,both are suffering from EU treacle bureocracy
All you are saying is their politicians werent as good as Hungary's
But at least Denmark and Austra arent slow out of the traps fixing it for the future
Our incompetents want to continue the incompetence

Finty Lemon

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Denmark 3.9% fully vaccinated
Ireland 3.3% fully vaccinated

We are behind in real terms by the equivalent of the population of Navan.
Disgraceful.

Only 2.1% fully vaccinated in UK. We’re more than half way in the table. Not bad for incompetent xyz.

Bubbaclaus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Only 2.1% fully vaccinated in UK. We’re more than half way in the table. Not bad for incompetent xyz.

You are only allowed compare our data with the UK when it paints Ireland in an unfavourable light, please retract.

Bubbaclaus

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You are only allowed compare our data with the UK when it paints Ireland in an unfavourable light, please retract.

Soz. I was unaware of the rules!

James Brown

TBF, you can hardly complain that others are always complaining when your every post is designed to get at critics or close them down.

blanch152

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Denmark 3.9% fully vaccinated
Ireland 3.3% fully vaccinated

We are behind in real terms by the equivalent of the population of Navan.
Disgraceful.

Deleted User wrote: »

Only 2.1% fully vaccinated in UK. We’re more than half way in the table. Not bad for incompetent xyz.

It is strange that whenever you post facts that rebut the nonsensical stuff that sometimes passes for debate around here, you then get accused of wanting to shut discussion down. Surely, the facts are the basis for forming the opinion rather than hiding the facts because they disagree with the criticism?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

It is strange that whenever you post facts that rebut the nonsensical stuff that sometimes passes for debate around here, you then get accused of wanting to shut discussion down. Surely, the facts are the basis for forming the opinion rather than hiding the facts because they disagree with the criticism?

Whereas misrepresenting people and taking comment out of context to suit an agenda is acceptable to some.

You might have missed that some posts, yours included, peddle the yarn that facts are unwelcome by people critical of the roll out and dishonestly suggest critics ignore or run from facts. Actually, I'm sure you didn't.

Nobotty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Only 2.1% fully vaccinated in UK. We’re more than half way in the table. Not bad for incompetent xyz.

Its woeful incompetence
The fully vaccinated numberin the UK will race ahead of Ireland in a few weeks when the close to 40% of adults in the UK start getting their 2nd shortly
Its not going to be a summer to remember in Ireland thanks to the hand sitting highest paid in Europe cabinet and advisors

Nobotty

Nobotty wrote: »

Its woeful incompetence
The fully vaccinated numberin the UK will race ahead of Ireland in a few weeks when the close to 40% of adults in the UK start getting their 2nd shortly
Its not going to be a summer to remember in Ireland thanks to the hand sitting highest paid in Europe cabinet and advisors

Facts are facts. Face them.

mattser

Nobotty wrote: »

Its woeful incompetence
The fully vaccinated numberin the UK will race ahead of Ireland in a few weeks when the close to 40% of adults in the UK start getting their 2nd shortly
Its not going to be a summer to remember in Ireland thanks to the hand sitting highest paid in Europe cabinet and advisors

You may be annoyed, and that's fair enough, but would you ever change that record. We heard you the first time.

AlmightyCushion

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Denmark 3.9% fully vaccinated
Ireland 3.3% fully vaccinated

We are behind in real terms by the equivalent of the population of Navan.
Disgraceful.

We're joint 6th (with Romania and Slovakia) out of 30. We're on 4.2% fully vaccinated and Denmark are ahead of us with 4.4 percent fully vaccinated. Denmark is less than 5% ahead of us. We are just as far off Denmark as Denmark is off Iceland (4.5%), Poland (4.8%) and Norway (4.8%). Are things equally disgraceful in Denmark because they are behind Poland and Norway by 5%?

There is some amount of hyperbole thrown around here over Ireland's vaccination rates.

Nobotty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Facts are facts. Face them.

Unfortunately I'll be face down if Im depending on this God forsaken government's hand sitting and yes it is annoying,I'll leave it at that

Finty Lemon

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

We're joint 6th (with Romania and Slovakia) out of 30. We're on 4.2% fully vaccinated and Denmark are ahead of us with 4.4 percent fully vaccinated. Denmark is less than 5% ahead of us. We are just as far off Denmark as Denmark is off Iceland (4.5%), Poland (4.8%) and Norway (4.8%). Are things equally disgraceful in Denmark because they are behind Poland and Norway by 5%?

There is some amount of hyperbole thrown around here over Ireland's vaccination rates.

4.2% versus 4.4%? On our population that's 9800 people. Denmark are ahead by 9800 people vaccinated. That must be the Israel deal kicking in. Sheer incompetence by our government not to be involved.

The Minister should phone up AZ et al, and tell them he is not happy.

Nobotty

Nobotty wrote: »

Unfortunately I'll be face down if Im depending on this God forsaken government's hand sitting and yes it is annoying,I'll leave it at that

Come on. Seriously. If you look around at other countries, we’re not doing too bad. Ireland isn’t perfect, but there’s nowhere else I’d want to live.

Cluedo Monopoly

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Come on. Seriously. If you look around at other countries, we’re not doing too bad. Ireland isn’t perfect, but there’s nowhere else I’d want to live.

Thats the difference between me and you Mary. You are retired and want the status quo because it suits you.
I want continuous improvement. I love Ireland but it could be much better. I now believe that the legacy FF/FG power swap is holding us back.

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Thats the difference between me and you Mary. You are retired and want the status quo because it suits you.
I want continuous improvement. I love Ireland but it could be much better. I now believe that the legacy FF/FG power swap is holding us back.

How’s Life? OECD report
Ireland performs well in many measures of well-being relative to most other OECD countries in the Better Life Index. Ireland ranks above the average in jobs and earnings, housing, personal security, health status, education and skills, social connections, subjective well-being, work-life balance, and environmental quality, but below average in income and wealth, and civic engagement. These rankings are based on available selected data.

Money, while it cannot buy happiness, is an important means to achieving higher living standards. In Ireland, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 25 310 a year, lower than the OECD average of USD 33 604 a year. But there is a considerable gap between the richest and poorest – the top 20% of the population earn almost five times as much as the bottom 20%.

In terms of employment, some 67% of people aged 15 to 64 in Ireland have a paid job, slightly below the OECD employment average of 68%. Some 73% of men are in paid work, compared with 62% of women. In Ireland, some 5% of employees work very long hours, much less than the OECD average of 11%, with 8% of men working very long hours compared with just 2% of women.

Good education and skills are important requisites for finding a job. In Ireland, 82% of adults aged 25-64 have completed upper secondary education, above the OECD average of 78%. This is truer of women than men, as 79% of men have successfully completed high-school compared with 85% of women. In terms of the quality of its education system, the average student scored 509 in reading literacy, maths and science in the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), above the OECD average of 486. Although girls outperformed boys in many OECD countries, in Ireland boys scored 4 points higher than girls.

In terms of health, life expectancy at birth in Ireland is 82 years, two years higher than the OECD average of 80 years. Life expectancy for women is 84 years, compared with 80 for men. The level of atmospheric PM2.5 – tiny air pollutant particles small enough to enter and cause damage to the lungs – is 7.1 micrograms per cubic meter, considerably lower than the OECD average of 13.9 micrograms per cubic meter. Ireland also performs well in terms of water quality, as 85% of people say they are satisfied with the quality of their water, higher than the OECD average of 81%.

Concerning the public sphere, there is a strong sense of community and moderate levels of civic participation in Ireland, where 95% of people believe that they know someone they could rely on in time of need, one of the highest rates in the OECD, where the average is 89%. Voter turnout, a measure of citizens' participation in the political process, was 65% during recent elections, lower than the OECD average of 68%. Voter turnout for the top 20% of the population is an estimated 69% and for the bottom 20% it is an estimated 61%, much narrower than the OECD average gap of 13 percentage points and suggesting there is broad social inclusion in Ireland's democratic institutions.

In general, Irish people are more satisfied with their lives than the OECD average. When asked to rate their general satisfaction with life on a scale from 0 to 10, Irish people gave it a 7.0 grade on average, higher than the OECD average of 6.5.

A lot done, more to to.

Finty Lemon

Meanwhile... Reuters reported that a UN report estimated in March 2019 that 94% of Venezuelans live in poverty and more than ten percent of Venezuelans (3.4 million) have left their country. ... Venezuela led the world in murder rates, with 81.4 per 100,000 people killed in 2018, making it the third most violent country in the world.

AlmightyCushion

Finty Lemon wrote: »

4.2% versus 4.4%? On our population that's 9800 people. Denmark are ahead by 9800 people vaccinated. That must be the Israel deal kicking in. Sheer incompetence by our government not to be involved.

The Minister should phone up AZ et al, and tell them he is not happy.

But if you compare Denmark to Poland, the extra 0.3% would mean an extra 17,400 people vaccinated. How is that not sheer incompetence also?

Brendan Bendar

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Thats the difference between me and you Mary. You are retired and want the status quo because it suits you.
I want continuous improvement. I love Ireland but it could be much better. I now believe that the legacy FF/FG power swap is holding us back.

Seriously delusional there, a chara.

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Thats the difference between me and you Mary. You are retired and want the status quo because it suits you.
I want continuous improvement. I love Ireland but it could be much better. I now believe that the legacy FF/FG power swap is holding us back.

Maybe it’s my life experience that tells me that we’re doing ok. I’ve learned that a little hardship isn’t a bad thing. Helps put things into perspective and to get priorities right. I’ve worked pretty much all of the last 50 years. Also reared a family, married twice, divorced once. Bought an old cottage in the country as it was all I could afford as a then single mother, did it up as I could afford to. The main lesson I’ve learned is that if I want something, then it’s up to me to get it. Not waiting for the government or anyone else to give it to me.

Nobotty

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The main lesson I’ve learned is that if I want something, then it’s up to me to get it. Not waiting for the government or anyone else to give it to me.

I agree Mary,thats why by the end of the wasted Summer,I'll be heading over the road to Derry to buy my vaccine shots privately when NI is finished their programme and we're doing only the over 60s by then
Cant be waiting for this good for nothing lazy government
We'll all be dead long enough!

Nobotty

Nobotty wrote: »

I agree Mary,thats why by the end of the wasted Summer,I'll be heading over the road to Derry to buy my vaccine shots privately when NI is finished their programme and we're doing only the over 60s by then
Cant be waiting for this good for nothing lazy government
We'll all be dead long enough!

I’ll let you know when I get mine.

Cluedo Monopoly

Playback this morning highlighted a very angry GP who was doing a vaccination day for her elderly clients. She was told by the HSE on the day that she would be getting 20% less vaccines than promised due to supply issues. She said it was very tough ringing 20% of her eager clients to tell them that they would not getting the vaccine that day and to stay at home. This is the cost of over-promising.

Brendan Bendar

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Playback this morning highlighted a very angry GP who was doing a vaccination day for her elderly clients. She was told by the HSE on the day that she would be getting 20% less vaccines than promised due to supply issues. She said it was very tough ringing 20% of her eager clients to tell them that they would not getting the vaccine that day and to stay at home. This is the cost of over-promising.

With all due respect if your supplier renages on their side of the bargain there is not much you can do.

The Govt are not advised on shortfall till the last minute, so hence the last minute ringing around.

Cluedo Monopoly

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

With all due respect if your supplier renages on their side of the bargain there is not much you can do.

The Govt are not advised on shortfall till the last minute, so hence the last minute ringing around.

There's a hole in the bucket dear Liza dear Liza

Read for context...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116559767&postcount=9204

Brendan Bendar

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

There's a hole in the bucket dear Liza dear Liza

Read for context...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116559767&postcount=9204

With respect I think the HSE have enough to do rather than trying gamble on what supplies they can expect to be delivered..

Your points are valid though in fairness....

Cluedo Monopoly

https://extra.ie/2021/03/12/news/irish-news/micheal-martin-mandatory-hotel-quarantine

Michéal Martin says mandatory hotel quarantine will come into operation ‘within next week or so’.

The news comes two months after the Government announced tougher travel measures.

Rapid response. Must be as a result of great planning.

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2021/03/12/news/irish-news/micheal-martin-mandatory-hotel-quarantine



Rapid response. Must be as a result of great planning.

Legislation and procurement. Dull, time consuming, necessary, and overlooked by amateurs.