FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Cluedo Monopoly

markodaly wrote: »

I am not getting that message at all, so it must not be all that clear.

Listen to Brendan OConnor panel. Including Professor McConkey. What papers you read?

Floppybits

markodaly wrote: »

I am not getting that message at all, so it must not be all that clear.

What is it that you are not getting that the government have lost the public or that is the message in the media?

markodaly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Listen to Brendan OConnor panel. Including Professor McConkey. What papers you read?

So one person says it, and it must be true.... OK then! :pac:

Cluedo Monopoly

markodaly wrote: »

So one person says it, and it must be true.... OK then! :pac:

No the whole panel agreed and called out various newspapers that said the same. Can you stop being silly and actually argue the point? Have you noticed the increase in activity lately?

markodaly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

No the whole panel agreed and called out various newspapers that said the same. Can you stop being silly and actually argue the point? Have you noticed the increase in activity lately?

Oh, people are getting tired of the lockdown alright, but again, is that the government's fault? Seriously? What magic cure is there to get numbers down? You tell us?

If the public want to go and not adhere to the rules, yet then complain that more people are dying and getting sick from Covid, then whose fault is that really?

People think the government are a dictatorship. Its not, their hands are tied on many things and they have little control over the big questions like vaccine supply.

But if it helps people to give out about 'da guberment' then so be it.

Cluedo Monopoly

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, people are getting tired of the lockdown alright, but again, is that the government's fault? Seriously? What magic cure is there to get numbers down? You tell us?

If the public want to go and not adhere to the rules, yet then complain that more people are dying and getting sick from Covid, then whose fault is that really?

People think the government are a dictatorship. Its not, their hands are tied on many things and they have little control over the big questions like vaccine supply.

But if it helps people to give out about 'da guberment' then so be it.

Finally. I personally think Martin's press rounds 2 weeks ago did a huge amount of damage. He started throwing out confusing timelines (Another 9 weeks, Midsummer opening) without any related data metrics or reasoning and people just gave up. He did it after 2 months of Level 5 as a result of a 'meaningful Christmas'. Terrible timing, terrible mixed messages, pointless negativity.

markodaly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Finally. I personally think Martin's press rounds 2 weeks ago did a huge amount of damage. He started throwing out confusing timelines (Another 9 weeks, Midsummer opening) without any related data metrics or reasoning and people just gave up. He did it after 2 months of Level 5 as a result of a 'meaningful Christmas'. Terrible timing, terrible mixed messages, pointless negativity.

As opposed to giving people the hope that we are going to open up any day?

If it were totally up to NEPHT, we wouldn't be opening up till the end of summer.
At the end of the day, as I said, we are not a dictatorship. If people want to not follow the rules, then so be it, but then don't complain later when cases sky rocket again and more people start dying.

Doesitmatter21

markodaly wrote: »

As opposed to giving people the hope that we are going to open up any day?

If it were totally up to NEPHT, we wouldn't be opening up till the end of summer.
At the end of the day, as I said, we are not a dictatorship. If people want to not follow the rules, then so be it, but then don't complain later when cases sky rocket again and more people start dying.

At least with Leo out of the way. FG party not happy with the latest news as reported by Gavan Reilly of Virgin Media News. FF will have no issue turning on him.

FF and FG can try get on with things and not have their 2 leaders fighting for attention

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Finally. I personally think Martin's press rounds 2 weeks ago did a huge amount of damage. He started throwing out confusing timelines (Another 9 weeks, Midsummer opening) without any related data metrics or reasoning and people just gave up. He did it after 2 months of Level 5 as a result of a 'meaningful Christmas'. Terrible timing, terrible mixed messages, pointless negativity.

Dear dear, how easily upset you are.

blanch152

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

Yes sending a poor teenager travelling across the country to be told sorry we ****ed up is not a major thing

Ita a disgrace and yet again shows the HSE are not fit for purpose

The bar for calling something a disgrace is being set at an all-time low.

Some low-level admin person in the HSE working extremely hard under pressure to get vaccines out misses the fact that ONE of the thousands they are contacting is under 18 and ineligible for the vaccine. Hysterically running to the papers is only matched by the hysterical reaction here.

I bet that it says somewhere in the email they got, or the links embedded in the email that U-18s are not eligible. But people can't be bothered reading every bit of the email.

UDAWINNER

markodaly wrote: »

Is she wrong? I believe it was in the public interest to get all GP's to sign up to the new agreement.

Lets be honest here, this was not some nuclear codes or some state secrets sold off to North Korea, as much as some like to paint it like that.

It was a confidential document meant to be secret, does that not apply to Leo and his friends. If this had been a sf minister, you'd be looking him/her to go.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Dear dear, how easily upset you are.

Finty Lemon

Angela Merkel's CDU taking a beating in this weekend's regional elections; slow roll out of vaccinations the big issue.

The Isle of Man, trumpeted by RTE Prime Time as a model to be followed by Ireland, has seen a 7000% increase in cases in 10 days.

Finland, another country pointed to as showing the rest of us up, has declared a state of emergency for the month of March

Meanwhile, Ireland has moved ahead of the UK in percentage of the population fully vaccinated. Michael Martin could become an Aesop's Tortoise yet.

Doesitmatter21

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Angela Merkel's CDU taking a beating in this weekend's regional elections; slow roll out of vaccinations the big issue.

The Isle of Man, trumpeted by RTE Prime Time as a model to be followed by Ireland, has seen a 7000% increase in cases in 10 days.

Finland, another country pointed to as showing the rest of us up, has declared a state of emergency for the month of March

Meanwhile, Ireland has moved ahead of the UK in percentage of the population fully vaccinated. Michael Martin could become an Aesop's Tortoise yet.

Micheal could well save himself and his party by getting rid of Leo

He wont though

Finty Lemon

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Angela Merkel's CDU taking a beating in this weekend's regional elections; slow roll out of vaccinations the big issue.

The Isle of Man, trumpeted by RTE Prime Time as a model to be followed by Ireland, has seen a 7000% increase in cases in 10 days.

Finland, another country pointed to as showing the rest of us up, has declared a state of emergency for the month of March

Meanwhile, Ireland has moved ahead of the UK in percentage of the population fully vaccinated. Michael Martin could become an Aesop's Tortoise yet.

Italy and France entering lockdowns again. Scary stuff.

Doesitmatter21

Deleted User wrote: »

Italy and France entering lockdowns again. Scary stuff.

We are in constant lockdown since christmas, scary stuff

Maryanne84 only comeback was a grammer error

Doesitmatter21

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

Were in constant lockdown since christmas, scary stuff

Were they? I must have misunderstood.

Finty Lemon

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

Micheal could well save himself and his party by getting rid of Leo

He wont though

Michael Martin is a statesman. Altruism and principled decisions are his virtues but they are also his political weaknesses. Contrast how he conducted his business during confidence and supply with Varadkers stint in the junior role.

Martin did right by the country and offered stability at critical times of Brexit and early covid. It allowed flashy FG to take all the plaudits and the knuckle draggers in his own party hate him for it.

He could be accused of cobbling together a government to serve his own vanity after the last election but I think that would be a misreading of the situation. If that were his motivation why did he not bring down C&S after the 2019 local elections when FF came out on top? He chose the steady route instead despite the hawks in his party wanting to move.

Anyway, what was the alternative in 2020? The numbers were there for others to go but they chose to sit it out, playing for time with their own power ambitions. Cowardly and cynical. They hate Martin for managing to put the show on the road without them.

Finty Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

Were they? I must have misunderstood.

The dreaded apostrophe strike's again!

markodaly

UDAWINNER wrote: »

It was a confidential document meant to be secret, does that not apply to Leo and his friends. If this had been a sf minister, you'd be looking him/her to go.

Not to drag that topic in this thread, but large parts of it were in the Public domain and it was signed off by Cabinet. So how 'secret' it was is even up for debate here.

UDAWINNER

markodaly wrote: »

Not to drag that topic in this thread, but large parts of it were in the Public domain and it was signed off by Cabinet. So how 'secret' it was is even up for debate here.

Well, tell that to the Gardai. If this was SF that had done this, you'd be calling for them to be sacked and jailed. Double standards.

Finty Lemon

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Well, tell that to the Gardai. If this was SF that had done this, you'd be calling for them to be sacked and jailed. Double standards.

Sinn Fein TDs would never be involved in such intrigue.
They have a whole other Department for that type of stuff. Ask Matt who cleans his house...

Bubbaclaus

Great to see our Sovereign Wealth Fund getting involved in the latest financing round at Stripe.

I assume the funding and the job commitment are interlinked in some way.

https://m.independent.ie/business/jobs/stripe-to-bring-1000-jobs-to-ireland-as-value-hits-80bn-40196270.html

Finty Lemon

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Great to see our Sovereign Wealth Fund getting involved in the latest financing round at Stripe.

I assume the funding and the job commitment are interlinked in some way.

https://m.independent.ie/business/jobs/stripe-to-bring-1000-jobs-to-ireland-as-value-hits-80bn-40196270.html

The sleveen government lining the pockets of privileged billionaires?
Boyd Barrett et al will have to object to this.

Our next government should forcibly nationalize Stripe to teach those dastardly entrepreneurs a lesson! That is the stated policy of Solidarity, PBP, SF, SP. Oh wait, it might be different if its just two lads from Limerick

Bubbaclaus

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The sleveen government lining the pockets of privileged billionaires?
Boyd Barrett et al will have to object to this.

Our next government should forcibly nationalize Stripe to teach those dastardly entrepreneurs a lesson! That is the stated policy of Solidarity, PBP, SF, SP. Oh wait, it might be different if its just two lads from Limerick

It was Ruth Coppinger that originally started the call for the government to nationalise US multinationals wasn't it, beginning with Dell Computers?

Not surprised she ultimately lost her seat with ideas like that. Not something a viable Irish government could consider.

Finty Lemon

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

It was Ruth Coppinger that originally started the call for the government to nationalise US multinationals wasn't it, beginning with Dell Computers?

Not surprised she ultimately lost her seat with ideas like that. Not something a viable Irish government could consider.

If that is party policy, should they be considered not viable as a government partner? PBP also want to nationalize the pharma and construction industries here. Hmm.

Perhaps these are simply self-preservation, get-off-the hook policies that ensure they will never be in office? It's their best means of holding their own seat into perpetuity.

But when the grand coalition of the left inevitably emerges next time round, these will be sticky questions indeed. The faux left opportunists who are craving office cannot rely on the hard left opportunists that don't.

James Brown

Finty Lemon wrote: »

If that is party policy, should they be considered not viable as a government partner? PBP also want to nationalize the pharma and construction industries here. Hmm.

Perhaps these are simply self-preservation, get-off-the hook policies that ensure they will never be in office? It's their best means of holding their own seat into perpetuity.

But when the grand coalition of the left inevitably emerges next time round, these will be sticky questions indeed. The faux left opportunists who are craving office cannot rely on the hard left opportunists that don't.

So what's your view on FG partnering with FF?

Finty Lemon

James Brown wrote: »

So what's your view on FG partnering with FF?

It ain't perfect but at least they stepped up when needed

Floppybits

Finty Lemon wrote: »

It ain't perfect but at least they stepped up when needed

Step up, what a joke. Varadkar threw his toys out of the pram and went on sulk for a month after electorate didn't give him what he wanted.

Finty Lemon

Floppybits wrote: »

Step up, what a joke. Varadkar threw his toys out of the pram and went on sulk for a month after electorate didn't give him what he wanted.

Agree to some extent but the FG party is bigger than Leo and they eventually came through. Michael Martin acted like the only grown up in the whole thing. Everyone else ran for the hills even though they had the numbers.