FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Again......facts.

Show us the numbers that voted for this government so?

Don't stress yourself...you can't.

skimpydoo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Show us the numbers that voted for this government so?

Don't stress yourself...you can't.

People who voted for FF or FG did not vote for a FF and FG coalition.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Show us the numbers that voted for this government so?

Don't stress yourself...you can't.

Sooooo.......Who WERE elected to govern and if not FF, FG & Greens, WHY are they not in Government?

FrancieBrady

skimpydoo wrote: »

People who voted for FF or FG did not vote for a FF and FG coalition.

They were promised faithfully there wouldn't be one...so they couldn't have.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Sooooo.......Who WERE elected to govern and if not FF, FG & Greens, WHY are they not in Government?

Maryanne...why do you think that even if you go to the end of google or even the internet, you will not find a number that shows how many people in this country voted for this government?

The Irish electorate will give their verdict on this government at the NEXT election when they attempt to get re-elected.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maryanne...why do you think that even if you go to the end of google or even the internet, you will not find a number that shows how many people in this country voted for this government?

The Irish electorate will give their verdict on this government at the NEXT election when they attempt to get re-elected.

Francie......Why are this government in office?




Because no one else was interested.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Francie......Why are this government in office?




Because no one else was interested.

Pivot and deflection from the point. I'll take it you have conceded the point so.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pivot and deflection from the point. I'll take it you have conceded the point so.

What point were you trying to make?


Following a General Election that returned no clear winner, 3 parties put their differences aside for the good of the country and formed a government. Not difficult to understand....or is it?

skimpydoo

Deleted User wrote: »

What point were you trying to make?


Following a General Election that returned no clear winner, 3 parties put their differences aside for the good of the country and formed a government. Not difficult to understand....or is it?

There should have been a government of unity until the pandemic is over and then a re-election but FF and FG did not want SF in government.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

What point were you trying to make?


Following a General Election that returned no clear winner, 3 parties put their differences aside for the good of the country and formed a government. Not difficult to understand....or is it?

It is for Shinners Mary.

Some parties have principles and standards.

Finty Lemon

The people elect the Dail
The Dail elects the Taoiseach
The Taoiseach appoints the cabinet

This govt is as legitimately elected as any other.
Sin é

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

What point were you trying to make?


Following a General Election that returned no clear winner, 3 parties put their differences aside for the good of the country and formed a government. Not difficult to understand....or is it?

The point is simple, the electorate did not elect the 'government'. The electorate 'elected' TD's.

FrancieBrady

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The people elect the Dail
The Dail elects the Taoiseach
The Taoiseach appoints the cabinet

This govt is as legitimately elected as any other.
Sin é

The government is of course legitimate. But it isn't 'elected'. If the 3 government parties had said before the election that they intended to coalesce you might have a point. But they didn't. In fact one party promised it would not coalesce.

The best you guys can do is describe that as, at best, nod and wink traditional gombeen politics, I would describe it as an outright lie.

ExMachina1000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What point were you trying to make?


Following a General Election that returned no clear winner, 3 parties put their differences aside for the good of the country and formed a government. Not difficult to understand....or is it?

The green party holding positions of power and making decisions that have a direct impact on the lives of everyone living in the republic despite 93% of the population not voting for them.

It's a ****ty system

Finty Lemon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The green party holding positions of power and making decisions that have a direct impact on the lives of everyone living in the republic despite 93% of the population not voting for them.

It's a ****ty system

How very Tory. Maggie would be proud of you

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government is of course legitimate. But it isn't 'elected'. If the 3 government parties had said before the election that they intended to coalesce you might have a point. But they didn't. In fact one party promised it would not coalesce.

The best you guys can do is describe that as, at best, nod and wink traditional gombeen politics, I would describe it as an outright lie.

Nod and wink? Its called coalition government. What % of the electorate expected anything different?
Quite a few other sucessful democracies operate under coalition governments. You know, politics for grownups

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The point is simple, the electorate did not elect the 'government'. The electorate 'elected' TD's.

Representative democracy at work

Finty Lemon

This is what happens when FF and FG run the country...

"The United Nations has ranked Ireland second in the world in quality of life in its annual Human Development Report ranking of 189 countries.

"The UN has ranked Ireland joint-second with Switzerland in its annual Human Development Report, which was topped by Norway this year.

The new rankings have placed Ireland above Germany (6), Sweden (7), Australia (8), Denmark (10), the United Kingdom (13), and the United States (17). "

Brought to you by the grownups through a system of free elections, representative parliamentary democracy, transparent government, and a free market capitalist economy.
For comparison, Venezuela has plummeted to 113th despite heavy support from prominent politicians here

ExMachina1000

Finty Lemon wrote: »

How very Tory. Maggie would be proud of you

7% of the vote yet making decisions for everyone. Zero mandate.

Finty Lemon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

7% of the vote yet making decisions for everyone. Zero mandate.

Keep feeding that "single party state" fantasy.
I can almost hear the jackboots

ExMachina1000

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Keep feeding that "single party state" fantasy.
I can almost hear the jackboots

Maybe next time a party with 4 % of the vote can run the country. Or how about an individual who runs as an independent. 2% overall. He can run it all.


It's a farce. Over 9 out of 10 people didn't vote for the greens

blanch152

skimpydoo wrote: »

People who voted for FF or FG did not vote for a FF and FG coalition.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government is of course legitimate. But it isn't 'elected'. If the 3 government parties had said before the election that they intended to coalesce you might have a point. But they didn't. In fact one party promised it would not coalesce.

The best you guys can do is describe that as, at best, nod and wink traditional gombeen politics, I would describe it as an outright lie.

We have a representative democracy. This is the government we voted for.

FrancieBrady

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Nod and wink? Its called coalition government. What % of the electorate expected anything different?
Quite a few other sucessful democracies operate under coalition governments. You know, politics for grownups

Nod and wink = telling the electorate lies.

Finty Lemon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Maybe next time a party with 4 % of the vote can run the country. Or how about an individual who runs as an independent. 2% overall. He can run it all.


It's a farce. Over 9 out of 10 people didn't vote for the greens

Are you saying by extension that Kerry people have no right to a voice if they vote Healy Rae?

Monkey arris

Finty Lemon wrote: »

This is what happens when FF and FG run the country...

"The United Nations has ranked Ireland second in the world in quality of life in its annual Human Development Report ranking of 189 countries.

"The UN has ranked Ireland joint-second with Switzerland in its annual Human Development Report, which was topped by Norway this year.

The new rankings have placed Ireland above Germany (6), Sweden (7), Australia (8), Denmark (10), the United Kingdom (13), and the United States (17). "

Brought to you by the grownups through a system of free elections, representative parliamentary democracy, transparent government, and a free market capitalist economy.
For comparison, Venezuela has plummeted to 113th despite heavy support from prominent politicians here

You moved here after 2008 and don't follow the news much?

From what I've read thus far if there's an issue it's the publics fault and if things are believed to be going well, it's FF and FG on their own?

ExMachina1000

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Are you saying by extension that Kerry people have no right to a voice if they vote Healy Rae?

Are you saying that the green party or anyone else who 93% of the population didn't vote for should be in positions of power making decisions for everyone?

There is no mandate.

It's a farce. It's a scandal. And it's a joke of a system

Finty Lemon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Are you saying that the green party or anyone else who 93% of the population didn't vote for should be in positions of power making decisions for everyone?

There is no mandate.

It's a farce. It's a scandal. And it's a joke of a system

Green party voters will like to know that their votes are now considered invalid.
No place for PBP in the next left wing government either then? Or Soc Democrats? Or Labour? This is going one way.

A scandal? How would it compare to say the Netherlands? Have they a coalition govt in that very successful country?

TheTruth21

https://twitter.com/DarraghOBrienTD/status/1330899898468851716?s=19

Did one of these not get planning permission in Phibsbourgh today

Finty Lemon

Monkey arris wrote: »

You moved here after 2008 and don't follow the news much?

From what I've read thus far if there's an issue it's the publics fault and if things are believed to be going well, it's FF and FG on their own?

I follow the news enough to know that there was a GLOBAL financial crisis back then. I don't think FF or even FG had the evil scruples to pull that off acting alone. However, from what I have read the policies implemented to remedy the Irish economy have turned the situation into a positive in less than a decade. Its a great wee country.

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nod and wink = telling the electorate lies.

Francie Brady - fearless protector of the gullible electorate