FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

In about an hour, from this..



To this..



The opposition are doing their job. The government are not. Aside from covering their arses and covering up anything that might damage their (FF/FG) reputations, the government are supposed to be representing the public on all things. FF/FG don't work like that it seems.

The Opposition are doing their jobs, go figure .
By definition what is the oppositions job...... Oppose :D

Cluedo Monopoly

The opposition are having a field day on this coalition of chaos. They are ripping them to shreds in the Dail.
I'd say they are struggling to keep up with the weekly, sometimes daily, debacles. The SDs have been particularly impressive.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

As for Boyd Barrett pfff.

You want to handwave Boyd Barrett away because of who he is, the fact that he is an actual product of the mother/baby home controversy doesn't matter because it's "Boyd Barrett, pfffft"

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The Opposition are doing their jobs, go figure .
By definition what is the oppositions job...... Oppose :D

Interesting to see you go from faux concern to whimsy on the issue. It's not that the opposition are standing up for members of the public, which is every parties job by the way, it's that you infer that the opposition only care as much about the issue as you seem to, to use as political chaff.
FG cynical and uncaring attitude all over.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

You want to handwave Boyd Barrett away because of who he is, the fact that he is an actual product of the mother/baby home controversy doesn't matter because it's "Boyd Barrett, pfffft"

The fact that he is an actual product of a mother/baby home doesn't mean he has the first clue about any of the issues that were before the Dail.

In fact, going by his ability over the last few years, he probably doesn't have a clue.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The fact that he is an actual product of a mother/baby home doesn't mean he has the first clue about any of the issues that were before the Dail.

In fact, going by his ability over the last few years, he probably doesn't have a clue.

It suggests he might have a passing interest above just looking for something to tackle government over, right?
Maybe he does have a clue? Who knows?

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

It suggests he might have a passing interest above just looking for something to tackle government over, right?
Maybe he does have a clue? Who knows?

I wonder were his parents among those that gave evidence on condition that it remained undisclosed?

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

In fact, going by his ability over the last few years, he probably doesn't have a clue.

I wonder if he knew when the Lockdown was due to begin?

This flute didn't, despite him being part of the cabinet that implemented it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvz3d2LueVI

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder were his parents among those that gave evidence on condition that it remained undisclosed?

Thanks to FF/FG he'll need wait 30 years to find out.
Maybe his birth mother spent decades trying to track him down? Who knows? Not really the point Maryanne but it would absolve FF/FG if they all were, unlikely though.
Surely they can keep those sealed and release others?

When kids are adopted the birth parents can choose to be found or ask records be sealed. It's not that complicated if you're willing.

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

Thanks to FF/FG he'll need wait 30 years to find out.
Maybe his birth mother spent decades trying to track him down? Who knows? Not really the point Maryanne but it would absolve FF/FG if they all were, unlikely though.
Surely they can keep those sealed and release others?

When kids are adopted the birth parents can choose to be found or ask records be sealed. It's not that complicated if you're willing.

I know of a few who have tracked down their parents before now, how'd they manage that?
None of that will stop.
Stop trying to score points on other people's miseries or hardships, like good fellows.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

What legal advice is that?
I know the Minister acted on the AG advice.

Breaking news.

Government breaking the law by sealing mother and baby homes records, says DPC

The Government has contravened European and Irish law on the accessibility of personal data by voting to seal the records of mother and baby homes for 30 years, according to the Data Protection Commission (DPC).

The Data Protection Commission was consulted by the Department of Children ahead of the drafting of the new mother and baby homes bill regarding the Data Protection Impact Assessment (DPIA) it had commissioned concerning the legislation.

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Breaking news.

Government breaking the law by sealing mother and baby homes records, says DPC

U-Turn imminent?

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I know of a few who have tracked down their parents before now, how'd they manage that?
None of that will stop.
Stop trying to score points on other people's miseries or hardships, like good fellows.

How dare you try turn your dismissive disinterest on me. You and your party should be ashamed of yourselves.

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

Thanks to FF/FG he'll need wait 30 years to find out.
Maybe his birth mother spent decades trying to track him down? Who knows? Not really the point Maryanne but it would absolve FF/FG if they all were, unlikely though.
Surely they can keep those sealed and release others?

When kids are adopted the birth parents can choose to be found or ask records be sealed. It's not that complicated if you're willing.

There’s nothing stopping child or parent looking for each other! That’s not what this is about!

James Brown

McMurphy wrote: »

Breaking news.

Government breaking the law by sealing mother and baby homes records, says DPC

They'll try shrug it off. Be interesting to see how far FF/FG are willing to go on this. Greens not use to this level of brass. Must be ****ting themselves.

FrancieBrady

More floundering around in the dark. Did somebody mention senior hurling?

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1319669609751085056

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

U-Turn iminent?

Not so Francie.
That is new certainly so it's something to be considered.
It was apparently a concern of the Minister but still with the AG thinking differently he proceeded.
If the legislation wasn't passed and the files redacted things would be in a desperate mess.
As of now that is only opinion also btw.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

More floundering around in the dark. Did somebody mention senior hurling?

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1319669609751085056

A problem was found with a product and it was withdrawn as a result. Sooooo, what’s the problem?

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

How dare you try turn your dismissive disinterest on me. You and your party should be ashamed of yourselves.

Arrgh, good man.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

A problem was found with a product and it was withdrawn as a result. Sooooo, what’s the problem?

It's right there written in the tweet. :rolleyes:

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

U-Turn imminent?

Possibly.

Or maybe they'll hire some lawyer to tell them what they want to hear, blanch has details of a few in his Filofax I hear.

blanch152 wrote: »

You spend enough money, you can buy a lawyer to tell you anything.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Possibly.

Or maybe they'll hire some lawyer to tell them what they want to hear, blanch has details of a few in his Filofax I hear.

Or maybe the Attorney General was right after all?

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

More floundering around in the dark. Did somebody mention senior hurling?

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1319669609751085056

Big deal........

Lot of anger out there...... this is a load of rubbish.

Problem detected.... product withdrawn ...... end of story.


The usual suspects roaring and shouting....media takes the baton.... refuted.


Nothing to see .... move along ..

Cluedo Monopoly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

More floundering around in the dark. Did somebody mention senior hurling?

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1319669609751085056

Surely not a 4th Minister for Agriculture in trouble :pac:

McMurphy

Deleted User wrote: »

Or maybe the Attorney General was right after all?

Or perhaps the Govt appointed AG told the Government what they want to hear? You can get told whatever you want to hear by legal reps if you've the moolah apparently.

blanch152 wrote: »

You spend enough money, you can buy a lawyer to tell you anything.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Arrgh, good man.

Your 'concerns' didn't last long.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Big deal........

Lot of anger out there...... this is a load of rubbish.

Problem detected.... product withdrawn ...... end of story.


The usual suspects roaring and shouting....media takes the baton.... refuted.


Nothing to see .... move along ..

No roaring and shouting...just added cringe that he has to be dragged in to explain why he sat on the info.

Senior hurling is not their game.

FrancieBrady

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Surely not a 4th Minister for Agriculture in trouble :pac:

And them only after letting him out after he made it to 40 days...a record for this government.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

Breaking news.

Government breaking the law by sealing mother and baby homes records, says DPC

https://twitter.com/deanvannguyen/status/1319673344082534402?s=19

FrancieBrady

It's costing the Greens members as well as support.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070084.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true&s=04&fbclid=IwAR331JrloQCOr5kK3RJTr4wNV-kUCxQewlSTR7RbHkwkmqNJURM7F0tIPRo