FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

A u-turn means a reversal. The legislation is not being repealed, the government are not saying it wasn't necessary so there is no u-turn. End of.

As for a climbdown, all they failed with was communication. I read enough on this to understand where it was all going, but I am familiar with the requirements of legislation and public service ways of doing things. Obviously others aren't which led to worry and concern on the part of victims, which was then exploited by others who should have known better.

Jesus H Christ, these shysters are paying €15m for 64 PR special advisers, "communication failure"??? Us taxpayer deserve refunds FFS!

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

He can't help insulting and dismissing people even after their vindication. As I said no harm in being wrong but it must be tough to roll with it after all the insults he's spewed over the last few days.

Niall Collins, Lisa Chambers, Barry Ward all did the same thing, vilify and demean.

Brendan Bendar

Bishop of hope wrote: »

This just breaking for me, haven't time to discuss yet but here's the link, normal party?
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/three-sinn-fein-members-resign-over-covid-19-business-grants-controversy-39682781.html?utm_source=xtremepush&utm_medium=webpush&utm_campaign=SinnFein+291020+%28xtremepush+%2344673058%29&utm_term=notification+%23431387850_1444558892&utm_content=A

What the ........

What’s going on Bish, three gone.... a sourpuss would probably opine that they would have ‘overlooked’ the back payment if it hadn’t been rumbled.


Terrible stuff altogether..... they won’t like this getting out.

Knew there was something going on there.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

Jesus H Christ, these shysters are paying €15m for 64 PR special advisers, "communication failure"??? Us taxpayer deserve refunds FFS!

The special advisers aren't PR, as you well know, but that didn't stop the disingenuous point being made.

James Brown

McMurphy wrote: »

Jesus H Christ, these shysters are paying €15m for 64 PR special advisers, "communication failure"??? Us taxpayer deserve refunds FFS!

"Alternative truth" Murph

Brendan Bendar

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/when-was-the-money-returned-sinn-fein-refusing-to-answer-questions-about-30000-grant-party-was-given-in-error-39680217.html



Refusing to answer questions........par for the course.

Heads will roll even further over when this gets legs, the Shinners I understand were very anxious to put a cap on all this stuff, hence the attempts of the foot soldiers to throw serious shade on poor Brenner.

“Most serious situation” says MLMCD.

Now we are stuck with a Seanad by election.

Vindicated and proved correct.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/when-was-the-money-returned-sinn-fein-refusing-to-answer-questions-about-30000-grant-party-was-given-in-error-39680217.html



Refusing to answer questions........par for the course.

Heads will roll even further over when this gets legs, the Shinners I understand were very anxious to put a cap on all this stuff, hence the attempts of the foot soldiers to throw serious shade on poor Brenner.

“Most serious situation” says MLMCD.

Now we are stuck with a Seanad by election.

Vindicated and proved correct.

Far be it from me to accuse you of trying to deflect this thread Brendi, but this is being discussed on the RELEVANT thread. Wouldn't like you to burst a blood vessel in indignation or anything like that.

Nobotty

There's no such thing as a Seanad by election

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

The special advisers aren't PR, as you well know, but that didn't stop the disingenuous point being made.

You said it "was a communication failure", tell me boss, what do you think the "special advisers" are advising them?

My guess is it's not "wipe from the front to the back".

Brendan Bendar

Nobotty wrote: »

There's no such thing as a Seanad by election

Give RTE Drivetime a bell ,buddy, they think there is.

Bishop of hope

Nobotty wrote: »

There's no such thing as a Seanad by election

Yes there is.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/deering-announces-candidacy-for-seanad-by-election/

Bishop of hope

Anyway, confirmation of what we all knew, SF are up there with the best of them.
#new politics, #normal party.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far be it from me to accuse you of trying to deflect this thread Brendi, but this is being discussed on the RELEVANT thread. Wouldn't like you to burst a blood vessel in indignation or anything like that.

Francie, I can’t get my head around your idea of a ‘discussion’ being independent of the parties partaking.

As I stated before you seem to remind me of a person who campaigns against fly tipping whilst indulging in the practice yourself.

Surely an intelligent lad like yourself can see that the credibility of activists of a certain point of view is compromised if their cohort is ‘guilty’ of the same actions they seem to be so vehemently and voiciferously against.


You can’t ‘compartionalise’ stuff like this , it’s all part of the big pot.

In a nutshell, you can’t expect folk to ignore your performance , whilst defending theirs.

Doesn’t give you the slightest bit of credibility.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Francie, I can’t get my head around your idea of a ‘discussion’ being independent of the parties partaking.

As I stated before you seem to remind me of a person who campaigns against fly tipping whilst indulging in the practice yourself.

Surely an intelligent lad like yourself can see that the credibility of activists of a certain point of view is compromised if their cohort is ‘guilty’ of the same actions they seem to be so vehemently and voiciferously against.


You can’t ‘compartionalise’ stuff like this , it’s all part of the big pot.

In a nutshell, you can’t expect folk to ignore your performance , whilst defending theirs.

Doesn’t give you the slightest bit of credibility.

Brendi pet, you were complaining/alleging that people were avoiding the issue...they aren't, full discussion taking place on the RELEVANT thread.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Brendi pet, you were complaining/alleging that people were avoiding the issue...they aren't, full discussion taking place on the RELEVANT thread.

Thanks Francie.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

You said it "was a communication failure", tell me boss, what do you think the "special advisers" are advising them?

My guess is it's not "wipe from the front to the back".

Anyone who follows politics in Ireland a little knows the answer to your question. Not going down the rabbithole with you on something you know well.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Brendi pet, you were complaining/alleging that people were avoiding the issue...they aren't, full discussion taking place on the RELEVANT thread.

Glad to hear it is getting a FULL discussion, and there is no obfuscating, diversion and whataboutery taking place.

Full transparency and accountability is what we are looking for.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Glad to hear it is getting a FULL discussion, and there is no obfuscating, diversion and whataboutery taking place.

Full transparency and accountability is what we are looking for.

Well compare and contrast. That was as fulsome an apology and acceptance of wrongdoing as I have heard from a party leader ever I think on RTE just now.

Anyone else hear it?

smurgen

Great decisive action from Mary Lou. Great to see accountability with tax payers money. Now if only Leo would have been able to tackle Dara Murphy's expenses in the same way :

"Fine Gael’s former double-jobbing TD, Dara Murphy, is refusing to have his Dáil attendance and expenses records scrutinised by a committee, despite demands by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar for him to do so.

In the wake of the scandal over the former Cork North Central TD working a second job in Brussels, the Government is set to beef up ethics legislation for politicians so ex-TDs can be investigated in future.

Mr Varadkar said he had tried in recent days to persuade Mr Murphy to put his expenses and Dáil records forward for examination, and he was “annoyed” that the former Fine Gael TD had refused to do so.

One Cabinet minister also told the Irish Examiner the controversy has caused “considerable damage” to Fine Gael and has triggered enormous anger"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30971957.html

Floppybits

smurgen wrote: »

One Cabinet minister also told the Irish Examiner the controversy has caused “considerable damage” to Fine Gael and has triggered enormous anger"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30971957.html

I wouldn't take heed of this statement from a politician it seems to be one of the stock answers they spout to show that they care or are in touch with the great unwashed public, when in reality they don't give a sh1te.

James Brown

smurgen wrote: »

Great decisive action from Mary Lou. Great to see accountability with tax payers money. Now if only Leo would have been able to tackle Dara Murphy's expenses in the same way :

"Fine Gael’s former double-jobbing TD, Dara Murphy, is refusing to have his Dáil attendance and expenses records scrutinised by a committee, despite demands by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar for him to do so.

In the wake of the scandal over the former Cork North Central TD working a second job in Brussels, the Government is set to beef up ethics legislation for politicians so ex-TDs can be investigated in future.

Mr Varadkar said he had tried in recent days to persuade Mr Murphy to put his expenses and Dáil records forward for examination, and he was “annoyed” that the former Fine Gael TD had refused to do so.

One Cabinet minister also told the Irish Examiner the controversy has caused “considerable damage” to Fine Gael and has triggered enormous anger"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30971957.html

I don't think they should have resigned.
Mind six months was a bit long to forget or not notice it was received.

LV knew about Murphy all along as did Kenny. Posturing because the press made it known.

So to sum up, FF/FG/Greens rushed through and poorly communicated voting for reasons unknown. Now they need revisit their actions.
These cases and issues will continue to hang over Irish society until they are addressed honestly by the state.

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

Great decisive action from Mary Lou. Great to see accountability with tax payers money. Now if only Leo would have been able to tackle Dara Murphy's expenses in the same way :

"Fine Gael’s former double-jobbing TD, Dara Murphy, is refusing to have his Dáil attendance and expenses records scrutinised by a committee, despite demands by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar for him to do so.

In the wake of the scandal over the former Cork North Central TD working a second job in Brussels, the Government is set to beef up ethics legislation for politicians so ex-TDs can be investigated in future.

Mr Varadkar said he had tried in recent days to persuade Mr Murphy to put his expenses and Dáil records forward for examination, and he was “annoyed” that the former Fine Gael TD had refused to do so.

One Cabinet minister also told the Irish Examiner the controversy has caused “considerable damage” to Fine Gael and has triggered enormous anger"

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30971957.html

blanch152 wrote: »

Glad to hear it is getting a FULL discussion, and there is no obfuscating, diversion and whataboutery taking place.

Full transparency and accountability is what we are looking for.

Bingo in two posts :D

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Bingo in two posts :D

Japers Blanch your comment relates to it being fully discussed in the relevant thread not this one :rolleyes:
You that desperate for a win?
Also you'll note he commented on it and didn't lie or call you names.

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

I don't think they should have resigned.
Mind six months was a bit long to forget or not notice it was received.

At odds with the party over this one are we?

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Bingo in two posts :D

You're in the wrong thread but. Still pedalling falls hoods on file destruction on a report that was subsequently delayed?

smurgen

Another u turn.

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1321361608795394049?s=19

Bishop of hope

Very quiet on here tonight!

FrancieBrady

Good to see, these people who engaged in slurs and vilification need to stand up and apologise.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mother-and-baby-homes-barry-ward-5247996-Oct2020/?utm_source=shortlink

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Good to see, these people who engaged in slurs and vilification need to stand up and apologise.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mother-and-baby-homes-barry-ward-5247996-Oct2020/?utm_source=shortlink

Yes, Clann Project are stoking the fires and people are contacting TDs and Senators in their thousands, using the template set up by Clann.

I take it that you actually read the link to the debate?

smurgen

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, Clann Project are stoking the fires and people are contacting TDs and Senators in their thousands, using the template set up by Clann.

I take it that you actually read the link to the debate?

I don't think you understand what you're saying in more or less every post in here.