FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

mattser

blanch152 wrote: »

At the moment it looks this thread has a few more years in it. Opposition have landed zero blows on Varadkar, just striving to see who can be the most apoplectic for the nine o'clock news.

Looks like someone forgot to bring the toaster, Blanch. :D

Nobotty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Toibin nailing it. The precedent for this behaviour is being set. The man is more important than principles.

To be honest and with a loud Sigh,I think Vradakar got away with it
2 hrs and only one groan moment from the opposition about cabinet leaks where he paused to word his reply
There was no smoking gun

James Brown

Nobotty wrote: »

To be honest and with a loud Sigh,I think Vradakar got away with it
2 hrs and only one groan moment from the opposition about cabinet leaks where he paused to word his reply
There was no smoking gun

Of course he did. Nothing was going to happen outside of him talking cover and opposition asking questions.
How high or low the dramatics may have been, Leo still leaked confidential information to a pal.
I assume how legal that may or may not have been is being looked in to.

Another nail in the coffin for FF/FG democracy and accountability. It won't go unnoticed.

FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

To be honest and with a loud Sigh,I think Vradakar got away with it
2 hrs and only one groan moment from the opposition about cabinet leaks where he paused to word his reply
There was no smoking gun

Remains to be seen. Very much still a story. He was walked into making very clear statements on a number of things. I think that could be his undoing.

Nobotty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Remains to be seen. Very much still a story. He was walked into making very clear statements on a number of things. I think that could be his undoing.

It will be his undoing for sure if someone else comes forward with something they got from cabinet via him
Even pearse's new gun about Harris and coffee didn't smoke
I think it was a good practice run alright if there's more on something else
That goes almost without saying

Higgins5473

blanch152 wrote: »

At the moment it looks this thread has a few more years in it. Opposition have landed zero blows on Varadkar, just striving to see who can be the most apoplectic for the nine o'clock news.

You seem utterly deluded and totally incapable of understanding, that was not a court of law that was trying to deliver some Hollywood blow to end his career. It’s just the beginning of his demise.

The damage is done, he’s toxic. His party will realise this. We are the electorate, a huge amount of people detest this man this week, that did not last week. You have absolutely no understanding of politics or how society reacts to such political events. Just blind ignorant loyalty, imagine having the freedom to make your own decisions about who should be in power but you still so influenced and brainwashed. You’d hope for your sake it was because you are on the FG payroll like other media spam poster here, but you most definitely are not, and don’t take that as a compliment.

I voted for FG in 2011 and 2016 by the way, just before you stick some shinner IRA muck in my direction.

Cluedo Monopoly

Higgins5473 wrote: »

You seem utterly deluded and totally incapable of understanding, that was not a court of law that was trying to deliver some Hollywood blow to end his career. It’s just the beginning of his demise.

The damage is done, he’s toxic. His party will realise this. We are the electorate, a huge amount of people detest this man this week, that did not last week. You have absolutely no understanding of politics or how society reacts to such political events. Just blind ignorant loyalty, imagine having the freedom to make your own decisions about who should be in power but you still so influenced and brainwashed. You’d hope for your sake it was because you are on the FG payroll like other media spam poster here, but you most definitely are not, and don’t take that as a compliment.

I voted for FG in 2011 and 2016 by the way, just before you stick some shinner IRA muck in my direction.

Great post.

Galwayguy35

FF and FG lads have a neck like a jockeys bollix so they will ride this one out like all the rest of the scandals in the past but the Greenies must be feeling very uncomfortable by now with one thing after another since they joined up.

But they have no choice but to stick it out because they would be smashed in a GE if it was called.

Brendan Bendar

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

FF and FG lads have a neck like a jockeys bollix so they will ride this one out like all the rest of the scandals in the past but the Greenies must be feeling very uncomfortable by now with one thing after another since they joined up.

But they have no choice but to stick it out because they would be smashed in a GE if it was called.

‘Smashed’. Haven’t heard that one since......well ...the H blocks marches.

Galwayguy35

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

‘Smashed’. Haven’t heard that one since......well ...the H blocks marches.

I'm not wrong though.

McMurphy

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

‘Smashed’. Haven’t heard that one since......well ...the H blocks marches.

Not true Brenner, you heard plenty of stories about your man up in Monaghan who smashed a glass in a bar when he himself was smashed, and smashed the smashed glass into a young lad out enjoying a few Sunday drinks because he teased him about the balls fg made of Irish water.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Not true Brenner, you heard plenty of stories about your man up in Monaghan who smashed a glass in a bar when he himself was smashed, and smashed the smashed glass into a young lad out enjoying a few Sunday drinks because he teased him about the balls fg made of Irish water.

Paisley reckons, he smashed SF one time.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/paisley-claims-he-smashed-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.819701?mode=amp

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Paisley reckons, he smashed SF one time.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/paisley-claims-he-smashed-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.819701?mode=amp

This being the same paisley who insisted the north was British but during the foot and mouth cris wanted the cattle there to be classified as Irish because the cattle in the north are on the island of Ireland? Must be true if paisley said it so. *Shrugs*

Like, you're not even trying now bishop. Throwing out any auld shyte.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

This being the same paisley who insisted the north was British but during the foot and mouth cris wanted the cattle there to be classified as Irish because the cattle in the north are on the island of Ireland? Must be true if paisley said it so. *Shrugs*

Like, you're not even trying now bishop. Throwing out any auld shyte.

Kettle pot black Mc.
Like it wasn't a good day but dragging up old ****e hardly makes it any better.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Kettle pot black Mc.
Like it wasn't a good day but dragging up old ****e hardly makes it any better.

Was it not Brendi that dragged up the H-Blocks?

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Was it not Brendi that dragged up the H-Blocks?

True, but two ****es is just a bigger pile of ****e.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

True, but two ****es is just a bigger pile of ****e.

Conlans case may be very very uncomfortable, but it's hardly ancient history Bishop, is it?

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

True, but two ****es is just a bigger pile of ****e.

I'd say yourself and Brendi's attempts had the stink coming off them myself. Two references to NI politics because somebody used the word 'smash'. Really?

Idbatterim

varadkar is a snake, but there was no need to go to level 5, should have stayed at level 3... the schools were also going to close for mid term, resulting in a further dropping of the figures. Aside from that, I am not really clued in about this latest episode...

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Conlans case may be very very uncomfortable, but it's hardly ancient history Bishop, is it?

Hardly, but it's been dealt with both politically and legally afaik.
On the other hand paisley's point is still valid Mc.

And there's hardly much precedent of SF decision making this side of the border Francie.

Bishop of hope

Idbatterim wrote: »

varadkar is a snake, but there was no need to go to level 5, should have stayed at level 3... the schools were also going to close for mid term, resulting in a further dropping of the figures. Aside from that, I am not really clued in about this latest episode...

My opinion idbat, Leo got away with one a lesser light wouldn't have, for instance if it was Harris even, and he minister for health at the time, I doubt he'd have got off as lightly.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

My opinion idbat, Leo got away with one a lesser light wouldn't have, for instance if it was Harris even, and he minister for health at the time, I doubt he'd have got off as lightly.

All mainstream opinion has it that he is badly damaged. He is a figure of fun now. That's the reality.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All mainstream opinion has it that he is badly damaged. He is a figure of fun now. That's the reality.

For some he has a quality like Bertie and can do no wrong.
I'm not saying some of what you say isnt true.
But a lot of people believe he done it for genuine reasons.

Idbatterim

if fg get a new leader , who will actually do what FG said they were about, I could get back onboard. Housing has to be sorted as a priority, so probably delusional thinking on my behalf. I see the corporation tax returns are nearly a billion less than forecast...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/surprise-930m-corporation-tax-shortfall-sends-public-finances-further-into-red-1.4399051?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Fsurprise-930m-corporation-tax-shortfall-sends-public-finances-further-into-red-1.4399051

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All mainstream opinion has it that he is badly damaged. He is a figure of fun now. That's the reality.

Rubbish. He gave a clear account of his actions. Answered the numerous questions clearly. Simon Harris also clarified his lack of contact with O’Toole, despite O’Toole saying that they had coffee on a particular day, Harris was able to provide evidence to the contrary.
What was O’Toole after? Comes across as a bitter young man.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All mainstream opinion has it that he is badly damaged. He is a figure of fun now. That's the reality.

You been reading tweets again? Has barely figured in the mainstream media. More wishful thinking on your part.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

You been reading tweets again? Has barely figured in the mainstream media. More wishful thinking on your part.

Apart from the fact it consumed all serious media here all day. More handwaving it all away. The FG strategy to a T.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Rubbish. He gave a clear account of his actions. Answered the numerous questions clearly. Simon Harris also clarified his lack of contact with O’Toole, despite O’Toole saying that they had coffee on a particular day, Harris was able to provide evidence to the contrary.
What was O’Toole after? Comes across as a bitter young man.

What evidence was that? Denial is not evidence.

Let's see what the response is before making any decision on that one.

James Brown

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Rubbish. He gave a clear account of his actions. Answered the numerous questions clearly. Simon Harris also clarified his lack of contact with O’Toole, despite O’Toole saying that they had coffee on a particular day, Harris was able to provide evidence to the contrary.
What was O’Toole after? Comes across as a bitter young man.

He admitted he leaked confidential information to a pal.
That's the issue. He did it.
Explaining why doesn't change that, even if people believe him.
If people are cool with it, fair enough but he still leaked confidential information to a pal.

FrancieBrady

Bowie wrote: »

He admitted he leaked confidential information to a pal.
That's the issue. He did it.
Explaining why doesn't change that, even if people believe him.
If people are cool with it, fair enough but he still leaked confidential information to a pal.

Correction; He HAD to admit to something that would have remained a secret.