FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Dont the "splinter" group,which consisted of 60% delegates that night (after the leadership tried pull a quick one),consider themselves sinn fein?

It doesn't matter, once they split like that, neither can claim the legacy of 1919.

It is a fable told to young Shinners of the long lineage back to Finn MacCumhaill.

Triangle

blanch152 wrote: »

What has McEntee done wrong? I posted the relevant extracts from the legislation days ago, and not a single poster has pointed to where she broke the rules or whether different rules apply.

It seems to me that those criticising McEntee on here are sheepishly following the lead of politicians shouting on the airwaves, without applying a critical eye to the relevant legislation, rules and regulations and pointing to any misdeed. I could be wrong on this, but perhaps you or one of the others will point me in the direction of the broken law, broken protocol or broken procedure, with relevant links.

100% agree. It's political games or people with blinders on.

FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

I didn't know until I read that, that they had a period of nearly 20 years where they were even more right than the blue shirts and wanted to have a state based on some kind of Vatican Portuguese dictator model
Don't tell Francie

Hey Nobotty. I voted for them in the previous election for the first time.

Nought to do with me. Nobody owns my vote.

jmcc

Bowie wrote: »

Can't see Varadkar going any time soon.

His career path is in tatters and there is unlikely to be a cushy job waiting for him in Brussels.

They can't dump him after putting their collective necks on the line backing him.

They need something on which to walk. The alternative is that FG's opinion poll ratings start to collapse to the stage where even FG TDs with safe seats begin to worry about their seats. Varadkar has been a disaster for FG. He screwed up every ministry to which he was appointed. He then led FG to one of its worst defeats from a position where it was dominating the opinion polls before Christmas 2019. He then let the neo-Unionist/anti-Irish Charlie Flanagan off on his brainfart to commemorate Black and Tans terrorists. FF was led by a closet FGer (Martin) and failed to exploit this but SF had no such problem. FG, under Varadkar, was beaten into third place behind FF and SF. Now there;s the Leo The Leak problem, the Woulfe problem and the Helen Absentee problem. SF couldn't have hoped for a more incompetent leader of FG.

They'll (FF/FG/Greens) need brass it out.

The Greens could be the weak link as sometimes they fight with their conscience and their conscience wins.

McEntee might get demoted but again it's too much for them and too late. McEntee might get the bull**** martyr Frances Fitzgerald treatment, she did nothing wrong* but had to go because the opposition bullied her out etc. etc.
Government will trundle along hoping Brexit throws up enough dust.

At this stage, it looks like they are just hoping to make it to the Christmas break. The appointment of McEntee looks increasingly like a box ticking exercise to appease the media.

Varadkar's days are certainly numbered. He's a dead man walking IMO.

He should have been removed after the GE.

Regards...jmcc

Fann Linn

Triangle wrote: »

Even Alan Kelly admitted (in the Dail today when MM said it to him) that the judiciary committee put forward one name for appointments - this is standard procedure.
You're looking for scandal where there is none


Edit: in fact the way judges are nominated by the judiciary was one of the big changes that the minister in the last Dail tried to get through but was blocked left, right and center.

I'm not. I'm just sitting back here in level 5 with nowt to do and just enjoying the craic with MM in DE tripping and stumbling from one fiasco to the next.

Brendan Bendar

Fann Linn wrote: »

I'm not. I'm just sitting back here in level 5 with nowt to do and just enjoying the craic with MM in DE tripping and stumbling from one fiasco to the next.

Great attitude it has to be said........

McMurphy

Solutionking wrote: »

I don't see anything on the web or anywhere to suggest the opposition are going to walk out. So why exactly do people think they are walking out?
The guy who posted it on here didn't realize the current party he/she supports, Sinn Fein, wasn't created till 1970 so I have questions over his/her credibility

It was literally posted seven posts previous to this one.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Things are deteriorating fast. Who will blink first. My money's on the government. Away out on a limb here.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1331300084965924867

*Waits on argument that Gavan Reilly isn't a reputable source, and twitter isnt hosted on the web*

Fann Linn

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Great attitude it has to be said........

Sure is Brenners, highlight of the week now is the trip to Dunnes and a walk around the 5k. Only entertainment apart from Borat is in DE.

joeguevara

Triangle wrote: »

Even Alan Kelly admitted (in the Dail today when MM said it to him) that the judiciary committee put forward one name for appointments - this is standard procedure.
You're looking for scandal where there is none


Edit: in fact the way judges are nominated by the judiciary was one of the big changes that the minister in the last Dail tried to get through but was blocked left, right and center.

I have asked about 3 times for anyone to outline the breach of law or procedure. Never answered. Not one opposition td ever outlined what they want mcentee to confirm. I don't think that they understand the actual rules similar to their understanding of the apple case. But this raises division in the real world.

If one poster can outline the process breach or concerns around the appointmet it will be a step forward.

McMurphy

Fann Linn wrote: »

Sure is Brenners, highlight of the week now is the trip to Dunnes and a walk around the 5k. Only entertainment apart from Borat is in DE.

Fann Linn

joeguevara wrote: »

I have asked about 3 times for anyone to outline the breach of law or procedure. Never answered. Not one opposition td ever outlined what they want mcentee to confirm. I don't think that they understand the actual rules similar to their understanding of the apple case. But this raises division in the real world.

If one poster can outline the process breach or concerns around the appointmet it will be a step forward.

Wouldn't it make sense for McEntee to answer the questions or concerns around the appointments so?

joeguevara

Fann Linn wrote: »

Wouldn't it make sense for McEntee to answer the questions or concerns around the appointments so?

Of course. It is crazy that she hasn't. But I think everyone knows what the outcome is going to be.

It is bizarre that something so benign is causing a sh1t storm.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

What has McEntee done wrong? I posted the relevant extracts from the legislation days ago, and not a single poster has pointed to where she broke the rules or whether different rules apply.

It seems to me that those criticising McEntee on here are sheepishly following the lead of politicians shouting on the airwaves, without applying a critical eye to the relevant legislation, rules and regulations and pointing to any misdeed. I could be wrong on this, but perhaps you or one of the others will point me in the direction of the broken law, broken protocol or broken procedure, with relevant links.

Engaged in crony behaviour putting forward one name, the name of a Varadkar favourite and FG'er.
You ignored the responses. Nobody made the claims you are disputing. You didn't answer any of the questions put to you.

Floppybits

All opposition parties have withdrawn from the Dáil business Commitee

joeguevara

Floppybits wrote: »

All opposition parties have withdrawn from the Dáil business Commitee

I don't know much about committee. What does this mean in practice.

Floppybits

joeguevara wrote: »

I don't know much about committee. What does this mean in practice.

It where all the parties agree what will be on the agenda in the Dail. The government are now looking at getting rid of the committee.

Floppybits

Deleted User wrote: »

It means the dail closes down afaik.....if no agenda can be set,


Its a fair step up,from years ago,when shinners used to walk out to highlight government abusing dail protocol....

.the old slashing oppostion speaking time,has come back to haunt the governmet

SF also discussing removing of pairing in Dail votes.

Floppybits

Deleted User wrote: »

No paddys day trips or eu visits so,it seens

Tbh,after ok-ing leaking confidential info,the government have made their bed......no sympathy for em

I cant understand why the government have made this so hard on themselves. Just have McEntee come in and answer the questions and put an end to it. After all both she and the government have said that she has done nothing wrong so where is the problem in answering the opposition questions, Is it that the government don't trust her to answer the questions?

What......questions......

jmcc

Floppybits wrote: »

I cant understand why the government have made this so hard on themselves.

One member of the Crony Coalition goes down and they all go down.

Regards...jmcc

Floppybits

Floppybits wrote: »

I cant understand why the government have made this so hard on themselves. Just have McEntee come in and answer the questions and put an end to it. After all both she and the government have said that she has done nothing wrong so where is the problem in answering the opposition questions, Is it that the government don't trust her to answer the questions?

Strikes me,they dont want to legtimise the opposition and are espially weary after the pasting varadkar got off catherine connolly

They just want to wait for slip ups by opposition (which have been remarkably few tbh) and sneer about "best oppostion" for social media likes

randomchild

They must have zero belief in her ability to respond off script, if this is how far their going to protect her from scrutiny.

Floppybits

Deleted User wrote: »

Strikes me,they dont want to legtimise the opposition and are espially weary after the pasting varadkar got off catherine connolly

They just want to wait for slip ups by opposition (which have been remarkably few tbh) and sneer about "best oppostion" for social media likes

I think it is down to Martin being in a weak position as leader and also to his dislike of SF and the thought of giving them anything no matter how reasonable the request is kills him.

FrancieBrady

Floppybits wrote: »

I think it is down to Martin being in a weak position as leader and also to his dislike of SF and the thought of giving them anything no matter how reasonable the request is kills him.

Labour are leading the way on this one though. I agree that it is the tail wagging the dog though. Varadkar is calling the shots.

Solutionking

Fann Linn wrote: »

Sinn Fein didn't win an overwhelming victory in the 1918 First Dail, SK?

I know it's a little confusing.

Limpy

If McEntee was a man, a real man, it would be a different story. She'd be hauled up to answer.

jmcc

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Labour are leading the way on this one though. I agree that it is the tail wagging the dog though. Varadkar is calling the shots.

Martin has always been a closet FGer. He's the typical beta male who always needs a strong alpha. Varadkar seems to be playing that role for him. As for Labour, Pravda/RTE has been working hard to portray little AK47 as the leader of a major political party as if 2016 and 2020 never happened. The best thing for SF and the opposition now is to force FFG to start tearing itself apart.

Regards...jmcc

Floppybits

Limpy wrote: »

If McEntee was a man, a real man, it would be a different story. She'd be hauled up to answer.

I don't agree that she is getting an easy ride because of her gender.

Solutionking

Limpy wrote: »

If McEntee was a man, a real man, it would be a different story. She'd be hauled up to answer.

What exactly makes you think any of this has to do with gender?

Limpy

Solutionking wrote: »

What exactly makes you think any of this has to do with gender?

Go back to the Francis Fitzgerald fiasco.