Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

levi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118169523#Comment_118169523

Sorry to be digging back through this thread but just curious about the trade in - do they inspect the car at all? I’ve put in the details and waiting to get a value back but there was no questions about the condition of the car. This is a 9 year old Skoda Superb 2L diesel with 123.5k miles. I don’t expect to get offered a lot but there is a scratch on the wheel arch and it’s got a few other scratches. The interior is that of a family car which comes up ok with a good hoover but the car is 9 years old. It could definitely be in better nick for its age but what I understand is that this doesn’t matter when trading in with Tesla - they just sell it to the trade market?

I’ve tried to find the answer to this question unsuccessfully with the search function so hopefully it hasn’t been asked before - thanks in advance for the help!

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311192#Comment_121311192

Generally no as the lower trade value in reality takes account of the worse case scenario.

A small dealer is bidding on it sight unseen.

levi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311208#Comment_121311208

Fair enough - I’m totally aware that we’ll probably get offered eff all but the hassle of a private sale just doesn’t appeal having listened to friends who’ve done it.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311309#Comment_121311309

Private sale is very straight forward. Don’t be out off by it.

For the sake of €20, throw an ad on DoneDeal and see if you get any interest. No harm.

silver_sky

What sort of value private used would you say a 231 Model 3 RWD would have? non-white

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311833#Comment_121311833

€35k ish…

And even at that people will balance up whether to pay the €41,832 for the new model.

Conar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311309#Comment_121311309

Try a few of them. Autobuy offered my between 30 to 46% (Tesla offered 9595, Autobuy offered 12500 to 14000) more than the Tesla offer for example pending inspection. I ended up selling privately but the Tesla offer was a joke.

sk8board

tesla have no interest in the 2nd hand market for their own cars, so the offer they give you reflects the best off from the dealers they sent your car particulars to.

it’s an accurate reflection of the wholesale price, rather than the retail

Gumbo

For all the stick the early Fremont built Model 3’s get (which I don’t generally agree with), at least it can out run it’s new model cousins 😀

https://youtu.be/jxsvaOZwXQc?si=JR4G3iTneRb73KBa

Zurbaran

The older motor was more powerful and supposedly less reliable although that might have been said for cost cutting sakes. Pretty sure that the Highland has the same motor as my 22 one which is 270 odd horsepower.

My car is in getting a panel replaced after a fella reversed into it. Have a kia xceed phev as the loner. Nice looking car I think and has a fair few bells and whistles but personally I wouldnt touch a phev over bev. It feels extremely agricultural when compared to a Toyota hybrid never mind a bev. Have to charge it every night or by my short time with it, would be drinking juice. So you have to plug in everyday and go to the pumps. I honestly don't see the point of these over normal hybrid or diesel for people who do big miles or if you do normal miles just get a bev.

Edit: I have been in a 530e which was much better but the point still stands when it comes to phevs

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339098#Comment_121339098

I thought they would have given highland a little boost, maybe 10ps. There's more performance left in that motor but it's software locked. Probably for reliability reasons.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121340346#Comment_121340346

I thought so too.

slave1

Already plenty in current RWD M3, I took a bit of an acceleration hit coming from a much bigger S but you get used to it, Tesla made their name with acceleration times etc but will slowly bring those speeds down as that is not good for efficiency. The Plaid and P models will always be there for those that want the acceleration

AndyBoBandy

A lot of the Fremont SR+ cars that landed here came with the Performance rear motor which is just software locked to give the 0-100 time of 5.7s (0-60mph is 5.6s)... I'm pretty sure mine has a P rear motor..

It's a bit comforting to know that no matter how many times I've floored it, the motor has probably never even broken a sweat and therefore has never been brought to 'its limit' (or redlined in old money).

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121340346#Comment_121340346

There’s loads of incremental updates in highland to guarantee plenty sales success - they’re wise to hold something back

AndyBoBandy

Good to see they’ve kept the panel gaps though…

Gile_na_gile

I keep looking for a track test with the Highland to see how the suspension compares in performance, not comfort. I absolutely love the power of the SR+ and couldn't face losing the 0.5 second with refresh models :-) I now really want to swap to an LR just to gain another second plus more range, ideally a 2022 model. No rush with that though just after taking the hit on four new PS4s (T0).

Woodie40

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121342441#Comment_121342441

No surprise there, the one I had was even worse.

Terrible car.

td2008

BMS_a066 warning today, sounds like that could mean HV battery replacement! Under warranty at least if it comes to that :O

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121345101#Comment_121345101

Is the car charging?

Is the SOC holding normal or dropping like a fly?

td2008

Yeah, just left topped up to 80 the last two nights and haven't done much driving at all so didn't notice the range, will try charge it again and see

I did notice the regen braking wasn't great yesterday even at 80% whether that's related

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121345139#Comment_121345139

maybe cold battery.

When the HV goes too can be at 80% one minute and 23% the next. It’s very noticeable.

Hopefully it’s not HV.

slave1

You might never see that again (hopefully), out of interest is yours a 2021 US made 3?

td2008

Yeah maybe just the cold weather as Gumbo mentioned.

2021 from China

slave1

Early 2021 P models have seen replacements but these were US made. Cold weather should not give that message, it's generally the dreaded water ingress which can be intermitted at first then fatal

Balsamnews

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339098#Comment_121339098

Have to love the tech advancements :)

6 years later, weight has gone up 10%, range up 20%, power down 10%

slave1

even the current M3 is nothing like the original M3, they may look the same but completely different drivetrain and battery which is effictively a different car in the same shell, not to mention screen update, lead acid replacement, heating revamp of seats/windows/wipers, laminated glass, electric boot etc etc etc

Gile_na_gile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121345675#Comment_121345675

They've made it a real car for the masses now. For most people, these are all positive changes, which means it is a better car for nearly all use cases. On the other hand, it is less sporty than it used to be unless you get the future P equivalent. Sporty suspension and performance is not really a priority for all but a small minority. In any case, the Volvo EX30 is now a 5.1 sec 0-100 crossover. Imagine being outrun by that at the lights!

Lots of reviews appearing for it but with the youtubers/influencers all plugging accessories that benefit from stalk removal you'd take their reviews with a grain of salt.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121345795#Comment_121345795

Agreed. Tesla made some welcomed changes. Due to the price I doubt we'll see many EX30's on the road driven with a heavy right foot to embarrass M3RWD owners who care about drag racing from traffic lights. The M3 RWD is still faster than most other cars on the road. I hate all the pandering and lack of staunch criticism from most reviewers about the removal of stalks. Same story when Musk made the decision to remove USS. There's plenty of Tesla fanboys and apologists who still pander to Tesla for the lack of a functional and reliable park assist system. Unfortunately there's plenty of apologists everywhere that are dismissive of those that are critical of Teslas decisions.

I understand why media reviewers pander, if they were too harsh they wouldn't future press cars or get all expenses paid trips to launch events.

JOL1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346189#Comment_121346189

Hmm..everyone is capable of forming their own views and it is to be expected that views will vary..and deserve to be respected. Many will see the removal of stalks as a step in the right direction and of course others will form the opposite view . both are valid viewpoints if sincerely held. The use of the term "Tesla Fanboys" always provokes a reaction as the irony is not lost as of its nature it is laden with a certain bias.

Different views if freely expressed always have validity.

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346189#Comment_121346189

I understand why media reviewers pander, if they were too harsh they wouldn't future press cars or get all expenses paid trips to launch events.

Perhaps a reason why the mainstream press don't normally give Tesla great reviews, usually concentrating on poor build quality, minimalist interiors etc. One even mentioned a rattly centre console. (possibly a problem on very early cars). Mine (2022) is as taut and well built as other similarly priced cars, with better UI and charging infrastructure than most. Doesn't make me a fanboy, just a nice, pleasant and efficient car..😉

slave1

Wouldn't be concerned on removal of stalks, already an after market provider with replacement stalks if anyone is that bothered, if you're spending that much on a car then a few more euros will get you stalks

Be much more interested in Tesla sorting out the p1ss poor wipers

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346380#Comment_121346380

Yeah, Would be happy to try out the Stalkless driving experience, and I'm sure would adapt to it in no time.. The majority of people that are most upset about it are the folk that have not ever and will not ever drive or own a Tesla, and already hate the brand for not having buttons or the speedo directly under the driver's eye line... as having it 9-12 degrees to the left of centre is just too dangerous for them... (Damn you Citroen, Mini & Toyota plus many more for putting the speedo in the middle of some of your cars years ago and setting Tesla down this deathly path...)

Be much more interested in Tesla sorting out the p1ss poor wipers

Yes, they've largely been fine the last few months, and then a few software updates and they are gone to sh1t again...

It's always 1-2 steps forward, 1-2 steps back.....

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346271#Comment_121346271

I use fanboy as term to highlight a type of behaviour that's observable and significant enough to warrant its own label, someone who's devoted to a brand to such an extent that their enthusiasm or bias can lead them to overlook flaws, or in this case, accepting safety downgrades without opposition.

Different views if freely expressed always have validity.

Certainly not, that assertion is rather nonsensical.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121347012#Comment_121347012

Owning a Tesla is not a prerequisite for forming an opinion on design or functionality, particularly when opinions are shaped by concerns about safety and usability that affect all road users.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121346356#Comment_121346356

I don't read mainstream (Irish?)media reviews so I've no idea what they say about tesla. Can you point me to negative reviews go i can skim over? I rarely see very negative reviews against tesla on YouTube. I believe I did see one actually but they were comparing it to Lexus ES in terms of fit and finish which was a strange comparison.

Bjorn Nyland is every critical of TeslaVision and stalkless design, I mostly find my views align with his about EVs in general. I think he's the gold standard of reviewers.

I've rented teslas numerous times, didn't have app access but it didn't degrade the experience. They're great cars. I don't hate the interior, lack of buttons or lack of speedo behind the steering wheel, I think the interior is rather nice, feel less cluttered. I love how efficient they are and I love how good the app is. I love that they don't require mandated annual servicing like every other brand but I would still maintain it with whatever it needs.

The excellent snappy UI makes it a very pleasant experience. I don't care what Musk says outside of TSLA. I do care what decisions he makes as CEO of TSLA.

I see USS deletion as a terrible decision, same with their stalkless design. If a company wants to increase margins, that's fine with me. I'd rather pay a bit more for a car with stalks, rain senor, USS, and radar cruise sensor than have a cheaper car without.

Will even I buy a M3/Y without any of those parts fitted? Yes I will. But I will still voice my criticism regardless. Same as I would for any other brand I'm highly interested in and if I believe it's warranted.

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121347485#Comment_121347485

Don't have any links to hand but I do remember a reasonably recent Irish Times review of the Y, which I felt was poorly written and they could not even get the price at the time correct.

Otherwise I tend to agree with what you have written, the stalk removal I don't think would worry me too much would probably get used to that fairly quickly. I suppose being used to Motorbikes would help me with the indicators. My auto wipers are also fairly good, just requiring the occasional press on the stalk

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121347485#Comment_121347485

Agree with most of that if not all.

gar

Anyone having issues with the usb supplied for sentry mode. Sometimes works sometimes doesn't. Remove and reinsert back in action

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121348749#Comment_121348749

I bought a 1TB Samsung T7 SSD. So much smoother than the supplied stick. Playback doesn't jump and skip anymore.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121348749#Comment_121348749

remove it from the car and replace with either an SSD or a High Endurance MicroSD card..

sk8board

Removing the parking sensors and the stalks eliminates a huge range of potential mass market buyers.

here on boards, our likes or views will differ, but we’re all car fans underneath and always keen to try new things out.

In the case of tesla for example, they represent 2% of new car sales in Ireland in 2023 - 98% of buyers bought ‘something else’ - you’d have to think that things like the USS will matter to even 1 of those other 98 buyers.

its easy for us to say it doesn’t matter - but in reality it does matter in the mass market, and quite a lot.

edit: just to add - Tesla’s also have a bit of a stigma in the mass market. Lots of marques have that same problem, but again It’s a repellent for people who just want ‘a car’

Gumbo

Following last weeks YT video from Enhanced that demonstrated the performance differences of the Model 3 line up, here’s another demonstrating the efficiency differences.

https://youtu.be/_V3i-TOVeFU?si=UdgQKKnnaI-MNgOJ

td2008

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121345101#Comment_121345101

They did a remote diagnostic and are going to change the battery. I haven't had much luck with electric cars so far 😁

slave1

That's the first M3 battery replacement we've heard of on this forum AFAIR, let us know how you get on, would be nice if you had an OBD and scanmytesla so see capacity of replacement battery

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121362011#Comment_121362011

Thats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121362011#Comment_121362011

That's brutal. What year is your car? What's the warranty situation with a replacement pack? Does the warranty continue until end of original battery warranty? I presume it will be a refurbished battery so it'll be interesting to see what capacity it has.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121362614#Comment_121362614

Warranty, as per all the brands is for the remainder of the original term. So 8 years from the first registration date.

td2008

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121362614#Comment_121362614

2021 , just over 40K miles (of which I've done about 3k lol).

Battery warranty until 2029

ELM327

That's the first one I've seen of a 3 needing battery replacement. Was it LFP?

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121362638#Comment_121362638

Okay that's pretty sweet.

This is another nail in the coffin for those consistently railing against BEV.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121362717#Comment_121362717

It sucks about the failure but on the bright side it's great that BEV provides such excellent warranties. At least you'll get a loaner while it's in Service