Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

PowerToWait

UrbanFret wrote: »

The Cavan figures are dropping. We've got this.

From what I've heard from people from the town and surrounds, there's a lot of close contacts not going for testing. So officially dropping maybe.

JDD

Ah the famous backlog.

It's possible we're just lagging behind the other countries. It's possible that we actually have a better grip on it. We did back in March/April. Time will tell.

I agree with this. I'm not saying we aren't in trouble right now. But I do think that Irish people have been generally good at social distancing, wearing masks and adhering to the rules, when compared to other countries. I know that there are a lot more people now standing too close in queues or going to visit family than there were in, say, June but factoring in restriction fatigue I think we haven't done badly.

That doesn't mean we get less restrictions than other countries though. Unfortunately countries like Germany and Denmark and France have better hospital capacity and can absorb more infections before imposing stricter rules.

PowerToWait

JDD wrote: »

I agree with this. I'm not saying we aren't in trouble right now. But I do think that Irish people have been generally good at social distancing, wearing masks and adhering to the rules, I think we haven't done badly.

You'd think as an island nation with a largely rural and relatively sparse population, we would be doing much, much better than we are.

is_that_so

marno21 wrote: »

Bear in mind it still is only 7 days since Level 3 restrictions came in. These cases were guaranteed at that stage.

1200 cases a day is not sustainable with our healthcare system though.

It depends how many end up going into our healthcare system from this level of cases.

siblers

Was meant to be having minor surgery today.

Covid tested Monday, negative result yesterday and was isolating since I took the test till I got to the hospital this morning

Had a temperature reading of 38.1 at the hospital. They took 6 more and all were in the 36 region. Surgery cancelled as the one reading was too high even though they believed it was a false reading

Have to isolate again now, get Covid tested tomorrow and isolate till I get the result.

It's very annoying and quite stressful too

UrbanFret

seamus wrote: »

We've already seen big numbers there, but the main concern is that there's no way to stop people crossing the border, so the only option available to us is to remove any incentive to do so. That will require alignment of measures so that people from Newry aren't going to Dundalk for a haircut or a trip to Woodies.

There needs to be an enforcement element to it as well though, we can't just hope they don't turn up and you can't expect retailers in the South to refuse bookings from people with a Nordie accent.
This could be a good opportunity for Operation Fanacht to set up checkpoints just inside the border as a dry run for Brexit. Clog the main thoroughfares in and out of Northern Ireland, and focus on pulling over yellow regs in the South to "advise" them of the ongoing situation.

There's no problem crossing by alternative routes. Believe me there's hundreds of them.

UrbanFret

eigrod wrote: »

We should just give Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan back to Britain until the pandemic is over. Would make our figures much better.

Funny ****er aren't you.

JDD

PowerToWait wrote: »

You'd think as an island nation with a largely rural and relatively sparse population, we would be doing much, much better than we are.

Except we're not an island nation. We're two countries on one island, with one country having no interest in aligning their policies with ours. We may want that to be different, but it isn't.

I'm not sure you could say we're a largely rural population either. Just over 30% of Irish people live in a rural area, which is just slightly over the European average.

is_that_so

seamus wrote: »

We've already seen big numbers there, but the main concern is that there's no way to stop people crossing the border, so the only option available to us is to remove any incentive to do so. That will require alignment of measures so that people from Newry aren't going to Dundalk for a haircut or a trip to Woodies.

There needs to be an enforcement element to it as well though, we can't just hope they don't turn up and you can't expect retailers in the South to refuse bookings from people with a Nordie accent.
This could be a good opportunity for Operation Fanacht to set up checkpoints just inside the border as a dry run for Brexit. Clog the main thoroughfares in and out of Northern Ireland, and focus on pulling over yellow regs in the South to "advise" them of the ongoing situation.

Moving Louth to Level 4 due to an accident of geography would be very harsh and it is at the lower end of affected counties at present. Meath borders both Cavan and Monaghan.

seamus

JDD wrote: »

I agree with this. I'm not saying we aren't in trouble right now. But I do think that Irish people have been generally good at social distancing, wearing masks and adhering to the rules, when compared to other countries. I know that there are a lot more people now standing too close in queues or going to visit family than there were in, say, June but factoring in restriction fatigue I think we haven't done badly.

It's a familiar pattern in Western Europe.

In the first wave, ROI and Portugal were the two standout countries in Western Europe.

Death rate in Europe on 4th July:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Europe#/media/File:Persons_died_due_to_coronavirus_COVID-19_per_capita_in_Europe.svg

14-day incidence in Europe, as of today:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_full/public/images/w39_40_COVID_subnational_Last_2week.png?itok=JaEGyMpC

Really familiar patterns, not just in Western Europe, but in much of Europe.

I don't know what the explanation is. Maybe it's the age of the populations. Maybe it's a cultural thing; the ability to stick by the rules. Or a leadership thing; competency of those in charge. The latter two would certain explain Germany's ongoing success.

blowitupref

At least our possible over 1000 cases to be reported later on is coming from 16k tests unlike the 6 counties with 1,217 cases today from just 6,538 tests.

JDD

UrbanFret wrote: »

There's no problem crossing by alternative routes. Believe me there's hundreds of them.

That's true. But say you live in Newry and you're planning on going to Woodies in the South. You hear the Guards have set up a checkpoint on a certain road so you decide an alternative route, but you know that the checkpoints are moving around regularly. You know that the Guard can't stop you going where you want to go, but a normal person might be quite shamed into turning around and going home if they were stopped. And perhaps even the thought of being stopped might make you think "ah fvck it, I'll order the picture frames online instead".

That's really what the checkpoints are for. It's not like you're trying to stop diesel being smuggled over or anything.

Kermit.de.frog

Portugal joins the wave of new restrictions being put in place across the continent.

https://twitter.com/mialberti/status/1316371355965816835

political analyst

Most people are wearing masks. So why have the numbers of Covid cases risen in the past few weeks?

seamus

political analyst wrote: »

Most people are wearing masks. So why have the numbers of Covid cases risen in the past few weeks?

People socialising without wearing masks.

You'll notice no major outbreaks of the virus in environments where mask wearing is mandatory.

bennyl10

marno21 wrote: »

Bear in mind it still is only 7 days since Level 3 restrictions came in. These cases were guaranteed at that stage.

1200 cases a day is not sustainable with our healthcare system though.

that doesnt explain Dublin though

is_that_so

seamus wrote: »

People socialising without wearing masks.

You'll notice no major outbreaks of the virus in environments where mask wearing is mandatory.

They are the same environments where no major outbreaks have taken place since the beginning. It's less about the masks than the risky behaviour in higher risk locations.

Always_Running

101,270 tests completed in the last 7 days in the ROI, testing has come a long way from a little over 40,000 weekly tests in April.

MerlinSouthDub

bennyl10 wrote: »

that doesnt explain Dublin though

We don't know how many of the 1200 are in Dublin. Dublin has been reasonably stable, so let's hope for the best

Kh1993

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Portugal joins the wave of new restrictions being put in place across the continent.

https://twitter.com/mialberti/status/1316371355965816835

They’re fairly light as restrictions go. Fairly similar to our level 3.

JDD

Always_Running wrote: »

101,270 tests completed in the last 7 days in the ROI, testing has come a long way from a little over 40,000 weekly tests in April.

Yeah, got to say De Gascun has played a blinder on this aspect of his job. Credit where credit's due.

Widdensushi

Kh1993 wrote: »

They’re fairly light as restrictions go. Fairly similar to our level 3.

Has any country in Europe more restrictions than us? Obviously they might have bits that we don't have but overall I think we probably have the most with one of the lower rates of infection.

DOCARCH

Knocking on the door of 20K cases un UK today and 137 deaths.

is_that_so

JDD wrote: »

Yeah, got to say De Gascun has played a blinder on this aspect of his job. Credit where credit's due.

Actually that's the HSE, he runs the NVRL and does ongoing research work on a variety of areas including validation of tests. He has a large input for sure but they've been doing the grunt work on it.

JDD

Widdensushi wrote: »

Has any country in Europe more restrictions than us? Obviously they might have bits that we don't have but overall I think we probably have the most with one of the lower rates of infection.

Why do you think that might be?

Is it because our politicians are drunk on their lockdown powers?

Or is it because our hospital capacity is much lower than most other European countries?

Blondini

No major jump in ICU which is positive. Case numbers not so positive.

Sonny678

Absolute disaster has been county finals in gaa.

1 A club in Armagh won county final, 31 out of 33 of the panel had covid afterwards and 100 people in surrounding village also.
2 Moycullen in Galway won first ever senior county title. Afterwards massive outbreak in panel which has spilled over into local area
3 Ballivor and Rataoth won county titles in Meath. Afterward many players tested positive and both Ballivor and Rataoth have huge numbers of cases in the town.
One of the things that happened was players filled the cup up with drink and all drank from the same cup afterwards and then preceded to visit all the local pubs and many local houses in the parish. GAA response to this, we should have took the cup off the winning team after the ceremony, just after the match.
Then you had
4 The scenes in Blackrock Cork after the County final.win when the team and supporters marched through the town with the cup like a st patricks day parade. No social distancing at matchs as crowds all atop of each other and more then 200 people at county finals.
5 An ex county player resigned from management of Offaly club team as he was not happy with issues over a case
6 In Waterford hurling final, player was waiting for test yet he was allowed to play in final. His later test proved he had the virus.
7 A minor player was waiting on a test he was allowed to travel on packed bus with rest of panel to county final he was tested positive
8 Roscommon played Donegal in challenge match in Boyle over the weekend and had a meal afterwards in parish hall for the team. Gardai were called regards were restrictions being followed
9 Donegal, Fermanagh and Armagh have had to cancel matchs and training as players in all 3 counties have got the virus. Fermamagh are playing Clare at weekend and so many Fermanagh players have the virus they might not
be able to field a team.


There are some of the known cases whats happenned in GAA, its pretty certain there is many more cases like the above not being reported in GAA. We have seen with the soccer team how quickly with sportspeople how they can get afftected. Yet in the next 2 weeks 32 counties in the island will engage in a national competition, (basically amateur players many of them frontline workers )will be on packed buses and criss cross the country and criss crossing the border, which happens to be one of the areas with the worst effected cases in Europe. Yet starting at the weekend, this is only starting. It reminds me of what a once great gaa president from Mayo who was also a doctor said when he talked about the scourge of drink on Irish society. He wrote a book called "No one shouted stop". I think that title of that book is apt now, No one shouted stop.

What the hell are the GAA at, an amateur organistion having a national competition in two jurisdictions, one of which has highest number of cases in Europe, what are they at, having an All Ireland championship as a world wide pandemic is its second wave as cases explode across the island. You couldnt think of a worst 2 months then November and December to have the championship as the second waves peaks. Will anyone in the GAA hierachy shout stop? It really looks like an amateur association acting like amateurs. In March the GAA did excellent work now they will have PR disaster on there hands at the very least, just because in the words of great late Eugene McGee who once said every decision the GAA makes goes back to money. You take the Sky deal, the super 8s and now the championship going ahead. Its all to do with money, games played means the GAA will get money from broadcasters. Its totally against what GAA should stand for. Just when the GAA should be showing example and leadership to young people, to everyone they are doing the opposite and if anything are super spreaders in terms of cases currently. I can see the championship starting but there is not a hope in hell , zero chance of it finishing. But the issues, the growing rate of numbers will increase and the GAA will have played an helping hand in that. It really is crazy when you sit down and think of it. Call of the All Ireland championship and play them when it is safe to do so. Its very simple. But where is the leadership in the GAA. No where to be seen.

Kermit.de.frog

The Welsh want to ban the English :cool:

https://twitter.com/AndrewRTDavies/status/1316386206800900096

is_that_so

Despite the huge rise in cases across Europe it's interesting to compare the far calmer approach to this surge with the panicked days of early March.

Hector Savage

Another brilliant move by Spain, bars and restaurants to close in Catalonia - pushing these social meetings to peoples homes where they won't have hand sanitizer on every table and surfaces being constantly cleaned.

Will only push infections up.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-14/faced-with-rising-coronavirus-cases-catalonia-closes-restaurants-and-bars-for-two-weeks.html