Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

TheDenialTwist

I Am The Law wrote: »

Yes midnight , Thursday.

Haha, you'll be opening your presents on the 26th if you're not careful

ILoveYourVibes

So basically prof nolan wants us to keep swinging like a pendulum.

And so begins another game of whack-a-mole, total BS.

This virus is going to clean up at the next academy awards for most overly dramatic performance.

Antares35

Benimar wrote: »

Yes.

However, midnight Wednesday would be Tuesday into Wednesday, so they even screwed that up!

Midnight Wednesday is Wednesday into Thursday.

Strumms

D.Q wrote: »

Some seriously uninspiring people are leaders of our country haha

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t...

Go hard to ensure health, saving lives, the big business **** attack and excuse.... the need to reopen... they throw in the mental health horse**** ( they don’t care about it actually, mine yours or anyone’s) , not an economic brain cell between them as relates to ANYTHING outside of their own potential for profitability.... and THESE people are bullying the nation, it’s politicians... bullying US. :rolleyes:

ILoveYourVibes

US2 wrote: »

Not a hope. We weren't at 50 a day after 6 weeks of the first line lockdown which alot more people bought into.

Why is Martin keeping them open?

It basically means a lot more people will go into work who otherwise REEEEALLY don't have to be sure the kids are at school etc. That means stopping off for the coffee and sandwich in centra etc. Into the office. And back home into centra buy stuff for the dinner ..maybe collect the kids etc.

cameramonkey

The infection fatality rate according to many studies internationally is about .3%. that is much lower than many thought at the outbreak of this virus. IFR in those under 70 is very much lower. If just under 1900 people have died in Ireland then the overall level of infection in Ireland must be much higher than 50,000, maybe under reported by a factor of 10.

ILoveYourVibes

is_that_so wrote: »

That's December 8th. Sure we'll be at Level 1 then!

No we won't. Not a chance. This isn't level 5 ..its got bits of level 1 in it!

Antares35

So a "lead in" time of two days. Basically, a chance for the Neanderthals to go crazy stockpiling and packing out Smyth's and the likes. Can we expect a surge in two weeks then?

sReq | uTeK

So the mortality rate is 5% that of its peak in early lockdown March and we are doing 5x the testing and yet we are locking down the country.

Sweden has a steady mortality rate of 2-3 per day and it has minimal restrictions.

I seen an article in the paper that one lad flew back and infected 56 people. It went on to say the went partying, played football matches congregated as usual....it didnt mention any of them being bed ridden and dying in the streets or being rushed to ICU.

bb1234567

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Please note that R can fall very quickly indeed, and predictive models with various assumptions can only estimate it from historical data. It most real world situations it generally does not correlate to the daily cases. Consider for example a thought experiment in which each member of the population self isolates at a moment in time. The R number has instantly dropped to zero. Even though there will still be cases in the following days and weeks, they are the consequences of R before the isolation event. It is this effect that is sought in a relatively strong restrictive programme as the one being implemented on Wednesday. R reaching 0.5 for six weeks within the time frame outlines is possible. My personal feeling is that it will not quite be achieved, but will be close to it. Probably sufficiently for a relaxation for the Christmas period, and an unlocking more in the line of that enacted in other European countries in the spring rather than the slower one seen in the Republic.

Israel got their outbreak under control astoundingly quickly. Must have been massive compliance to restrictions or else they got very lucky. Deaths are still large because of the lag but thats to be expected but their new caseloads have fallen off a cliff the last week or so.

Richard Hillman

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What good will this do?

It will keep the economy open and protect jobs.
It will tell NPHET you cannot lock subjugate us any more.
It will bring the official case numbers down if the tests a blocked up.

spookwoman

HSE Operations Report

Antares35

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It will keep the economy open and protect jobs.
It will tell NPHET you cannot lock subjugate us any more.
It will bring the official case numbers down if the tests a blocked up.

Official as opposed to actual? Head in sand much?

bb1234567

cameramonkey wrote: »

The infection fatality rate according to many studies internationally is about .3%. that is much lower than many thought at the outbreak of this virus. IFR in those under 70 is very much lower. If just under 1900 people have died in Ireland then the overall level of infection in Ireland must be much higher than 50,000, maybe under reported by a factor of 10.

It is not 0.3% in every country, it will be lower than that in many countries. In sub saharan africa it is lower than 0.1% as most Africans are children. It is a lot higher in a western country, or any country with an aged population, obviously, 0.3% of New York's population died of covid. Obviously not everyone in New York was infected, so it's a lot higher than that. New York also has a much younger population than most of Europe .

cameramonkey

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

So the mortality rate is 5% that of its peak in early lockdown March and we are doing 5x the testing and yet we are locking down the country.

Sweden has a steady mortality rate of 2-3 per day and it has minimal restrictions.

I seen an article in the paper that one lad flew back and infected 56 people. It went on to say the went partying, played football matches congregated as usual....it didnt mention any of them being bed ridden and dying in the streets or being rushed to ICU.

Six deaths on the 16th oct in Sweden.

speckle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IyuK069I-w

Richard Hillman

Antares35 wrote: »

Official as opposed to actual? Head in sand much?

We know the actuals are a lot higher anyway. Most people don't even know they have the Virus.

99nsr125

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And so begins another game of whack-a-mole, total BS.

This virus is going to clean up at the next academy awards for most overly dramatic performance.

And the fact that the cfr rate now matches the flu and has been consistently decreasing on the trailing average

From a BBC article about the lockdown

Although Ireland has recorded its record highest number of daily cases over the last few weeks, it's still lower than many countries in Europe.

Hospitalisations have been rising, but they're not at the level seen earlier in the year and again while deaths are slowly rising, they're nowhere near what they were at the peak.


So I ask how is this lockdown really going to benefit us this time? I thought we were supposed to be at the stage of living with the virus. Another lockdown is not living with the virus. Total and utter BS

oceanman

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

So the mortality rate is 5% that of its peak in early lockdown March and we are doing 5x the testing and yet we are locking down the country.

Sweden has a steady mortality rate of 2-3 per day and it has minimal restrictions.

I seen an article in the paper that one lad flew back and infected 56 people. It went on to say the went partying, played football matches congregated as usual....it didnt mention any of them being bed ridden and dying in the streets or being rushed to ICU.

i take you are young and healthy...

cameramonkey

bb1234567 wrote: »

It is not 0.3% in every country, it will be lower than that in many countries. In sub saharan africa it is lower than 0.1% as most Africans are children. It is a lot higher in a western country, or any country with an aged population, obviously, 0.3% of New York's population died of covid

It is an average over many countries, many western European countries are around that number. Japan has an older population with 87,615 confirmed infections but only 1674 deaths, much lower death rate than Ireland.

Antares35

Richard Hillman wrote: »

We know the actuals are a lot higher anyway. Most people don't even know they have the Virus.

But how is pretending that the actuals are lower again going to help?

NIMAN

oceanman wrote: »

i take you are young and healthy...

Most people in the country have enough strength to beat this virus.

Don't forget half our deaths on Wave 1 where in residential homes. Let's be blunt, the people in there are usually very old and frail.

If you prevent those deaths this time round, the death figures will look a lot less scary. In fact our fatality numbers have been very low throughout Wave 2.

perrito caliente

This is basically the flu.

cameramonkey

Antares35 wrote: »

But how is pretending that the actuals are lower again going to help?

they are not pretending, in the first wave they had no idea of how many had the virus, today's figure is more accurate maybe but still an underestimate.

It is impossible to know how many infections there are with so many A symptomatic unless you test everyone.

ILoveYourVibes

perrito caliente wrote: »

This is basically the flu.

No its death rate is 10 times that of the flu.

And there are severe complications for those who recover that are long term.

Antares35

cameramonkey wrote: »

they are not pretending, in the first wave they had no idea of how many had the virus, today's figure is more accurate maybe but still an underestimate.

It is impossible to know how many infections there are with so many A symptomatic unless you test everyone.

I was responding to the suggestion that people just don't show up for tests so that the official number will be brought down. It's a bit like putting your hands over your ears.

Antares35

perrito caliente wrote: »

This is basically the flu.

You are basically wrong.

NIMAN

How are they going to tackle the open border with the north?

No point us being at Level 5 if the north is at the equivalent of a level 2.5 and they are allowed to drive across.

moonage

Danno wrote: »

There is one hope - if people stop going for swabs. Stop feeding the machine.

The hyper-testing has to stop.

Contact tracing should be scrapped—it's not suitable for a contagious, widespread and relatively mild virus like sars-cov-2.

Testing should be mostly confined to staff of and patients/residents of hospitals/nursing homes.

A "Covid case" should be defined as someone hospitalised beacause of Covid or very ill, not someone who has a positive PCR test.

Strumms

cameramonkey wrote: »

The infection fatality rate according to many studies internationally is about .3%. that is much lower than many thought at the outbreak of this virus. IFR in those under 70 is very much lower. If just under 1900 people have died in Ireland then the overall level of infection in Ireland must be much higher than 50,000, maybe under reported by a factor of 10.

Fatality rate will steadily rise over time as healthcare personnel get infected and therefore the number of people with the qualifications and expertise available to treat people gets fewer.

Fatality rate will steadily rise over time when hospitals cannot admit more patients for this reason and bed availability.

Fatality rate is been relatively low because healthcare workers have been working their asses off, around the clock, sacrificing themselves, risking themselves, their loved ones to keep us alive and well.

The infection fatality rate here at this moment is 3.63%

That’s with hospitals accessible and functioning.

We start loosing doctors, nurses, carers, porters, security, virologists....

That IFR is north of 15% or estimated to be if that happens.

What happens if Gardai take a hit, lawlessness, that’s what happens.

The law is a deterrent, won’t be a deterrent if there is no Gardai, or not enough.

99nsr125

bodhrandude wrote: »

There hasn't been any news reports about terrorist attacks around the world for a while, could do with a change of news perhaps.

Or even a good old abortion debate !

perrito caliente

Strumms wrote: »

Fatality rate will steadily rise over time as healthcare personnel get infected and therefore the number of people with the qualifications and expertise available to treat people gets fewer.

Fatality rate will steadily rise over time when hospitals cannot admit more patients for this reason and bed availability.

Fatality rate is been relatively low because healthcare workers have been working their asses off, around the clock, sacrificing themselves, risking themselves, their loved ones to keep us alive and well.

The infection fatality rate here at this moment is 3.63%

That’s with hospitals accessible and functioning.

We start loosing doctors, nurses, carers, porters, security, virologists....

That IFR is north of 15% or estimated to be if that happens.

What happens if Gardai take a hit, lawlessness, that’s what happens.

The law is a deterrent, won’t be a deterrent if there is no Gardai, or not enough.

Such. A drama. Queen.

Pinch Flat

perrito caliente wrote: »

This is basically the flu.

Except it's not

Sephiroth_dude

New thread here folks


https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058123629