Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Martina1991

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Contract tracing is another big issue.

There is close contacts to confirmed cases out and about spreading it for days as people aren't telling contract tracing who they are as they are too slow.

Have heard of 5 days in one case.

Think of all the spread in that time.

In these instances where contact tracing is struggling, you would hope people inform their contacts themselves asap to prevent further spread.

In turn you would hope people who know they are close contacts restrict their movements until they're tested.

Its incredibly stupid and reckless to go about your business thinking you can do what you want until you get the contact tracing call.

Stheno

nimrod86 wrote: »

My workplace has done this, mandatory face masks on site and they are providing single use ones at entrances if you don't want to use reusable ones.

Initially when they brought in the policy there were medical and religious exemptions, but this has since been scrapped. It's now mandatory with no exceptions to wear a mask on site, except in the canteen or if you are in a personal office.

Mines the same if you have to in its temp checking,facemasks at all times, and a few other fairly strict rules

Less than 5% actually have to go in

They have however organised flu vaccinations for us so that will be interesting to go into the office but its a huge open space they will use probably

Itssoeasy

is_that_so wrote: »

Just as long as you're braced for the LONG sharp shock as it will not be 3 weeks nor even 6 weeks. This is till Christmas (and beyond).

So why don’t NPHET say that then instead of saying six weeks ? The country as a whole will be goosed because of this and I’m knackered from it. The government and nphet need to as best they can provide some hope for the country. I mean nphet and the TDs aren’t going to be out of pocket financially during this so they probably don’t see it that way.

is_that_so

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Possibly, but we have to start tomorrow really. No more pussy footing around anymore it is helping no one.

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

Itssoeasy

is_that_so wrote: »

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

Christ. What a **** winter it’s going to be.

Loafing Oaf

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So why don’t NPHET say that then instead of saying six weeks ?

Isn't it obvious?

stephenjmcd

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

I don't think so. I expect we will be under their control until April/May unless the Government rejects their advice.

is_that_so

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So why don’t NPHET say that then instead of saying six weeks ? The country as a whole will be goosed because of this and I’m knackered from it. The government and nphet need to as best they can provide some hope for the country. I mean nphet and the TDs aren’t going to be out of pocket financially during this so they probably don’t see it that way.

I agree and like others I've made that point myself. They were fair feisty in the wake of the government rejection so they can be brutally honest about this - that they just don't see any way out of this until after Christmas.

MelbourneMan

Stheno wrote: »

The posters point is that in the space of three days NPHET went from saying that there was no need to add to level three to then advocating level 5

Or in the space of 2 weeks, went from being insulted by the government to having the gumption to stand behing their analysis and make the government listen ? The science didnt change.

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

So review in 6 weeks really!:p

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

I dont think so, it'll be almost certainly unwound for retail to open in early December for Christmas, you could bet the house on that. Not a chance government keeps retail closed for Christmas.

Other measures quite possibly yes but there's no chance of them missing out on the Christmas market

iamwhoiam

No level will make any difference unless the restrictions are enforced .

Happydays2020

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No level will make any difference unless the restrictions are enforced .

If they don't have the people with them, then you are right.

Stheno

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

What are essential services though? Mechanics?opticians?

The one social contact my OH and I have is his son, who lives about 18km away

xhomelezz

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What will it achieve?

What is the quantifiable point that the curfew will be lifted?

I’m just curious, the WHO have taken a different stance it seems towards the value or at least the point of lockdowns it seems.

Yes, what WHO basically says is, if you are fcuked use the lockdown and rethink your future strategies. They don't say do not use lockdowns.

tom1ie

Not sure how any of this is going to make a difference to be honest.

The virus continues to spread either because:
A) People have decided they are sick Of restrictions and they are going to socialise anyway no matter what happens, therefore L5 won’t make a difference, it’ll only make the economy worse.
the virus is spreading in schools. The government absolutely won’t shut schools down as politically it will be seen as them rowing back and economically it’ll mean parents not going to work.
Of course the other problem is the poor quality of education kids will receive at home from parents instead of teachers (im mainly talking about primary here) but this could be averted if the department of education planned for hybrid learning.

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont think so, it'll be almost certainly unwound for retail to open in early December for Christmas, you could bet the house on that. Not a chance government keeps retail closed for Christmas

I'd like to be wrong but just not as convinced. That sounds like complete bedlam anyway.

Glenomra

Apologies if this question has been answered numerous times but I can't find the answer with the plethora of posts. When a person tests positive how many days previous to the test date are checked for close contacts.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

The Indo and Phillip Ryan have got the scoop on the restrictions all along. They must have a well placed source.

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

I'd like to be wrong but just not as convinced. That sounds like complete bedlam anyway.

Agree which is why I don't see the point in closing retail when all you do is fuel pent up demand, seems pointless to me.

Much better to leave them open as they have been since June and have demand spread out.

Stheno

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Or in the space of 2 weeks, went from being insulted by the government to having the gumption to stand behing their analysis and make the government listen ? The science didnt change.

I don't really care tbh I'm absolutely sick of the cack handed handling of this by the whole lot of them

Doctor Jimbob

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

Class. Leave the schools and meat factories open and fúck the rest of us.

Stheno

Glenomra wrote: »

Apologies if this question has been answered numerous times but I can't find the answer with the plethora of posts. When a person tests positive how many days previous to the test date are checked for close contacts.

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Happydays2020

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Agree which is why I don't see the point in closing retail when all you do is fuel pent up demand, seems pointless to me.

Much better to leave them open as they have been since June and have demand spread out.

But that is real world solutions based on common sense....

xhomelezz

tom1ie wrote: »

Not sure how any of this is going to make a difference to be honest.

The virus continues to spread either because:
A) People have decided they are sick Of restrictions and they are going to socialise anyway no matter what happens, therefore L5 won’t make a difference, it’ll only make the economy worse.
the virus is spreading in schools. The government absolutely won’t shut schools down as politically it will be seen as them rowing back and economically it’ll mean parents not going to work.
Of course the other problem is the poor quality of education kids will receive at home from parents instead of teachers (im mainly talking about primary here) but this could be averted if the department of education planned for hybrid learning.

They never bothered, which is actually wrecking my head.

Boggles

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

So the "plan" has been officially fúcked out the window and are proceeding with making it up as we go along.

This is a plan which gives clarity of each of our responsibilities. It includes concrete measures and shows how we can limit impact of the virus

That was MM just over a month ago.

stephenjmcd

Boggles wrote: »

So the "plan" has been officially fúcked out the window and are proceeding with making it up as we go along.



That was MM just over a month ago.

That plan was gone within 10 minutes of it being announced with Dublin getting a mix of measures from the start.

Not worth the paper its written on, a smokescreen for the real plan of let's make it up as we go until we get the vaccine

Eod100

Glenomra wrote: »

Apologies if this question has been answered numerous times but I can't find the answer with the plethora of posts. When a person tests positive how many days previous to the test date are checked for close contacts.

48 hours before onset of symptoms afaik

Sweet.Science

Not far off normal hospital levels

Let's shut the whole country down

How do we stand for such ****e . Luckily I work from home but if I didn't I'd be marching with all the lunatics in town