Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

DrSpongeBobz

It was better in the old days

Goldengirl

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The army have been on the streets in Brussels since 2016 and the terrorist attacks. Not Covid related.

They were , this year .

ACitizenErased

Goldengirl wrote: »

They were , this year .

The army are always on the streets of Brussels, since the terror attacks. Not because of COVID. Same in France. Same in England.

Signore Fancy Pants

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And what difference does the army make to any of that ?

For AGS over time/DF ATCP allowance, its cheaper to have a soldier out than a member of AGS. You could get about 4-5 soldiers for the price of one AGS member in overtime hours.

Spanish Eyes

Goldengirl wrote: »

It's not a union thing , not nursing anyway. What does TYFYS mean ?

Oh it is. Just have to listen to Phil Ni Sheaghadh now and then of the INMO. Fair dues to her.

It means Thank You For Your Service, and everyone acknowledges that for all of you, for us, make no mistake about that.

stephenjmcd

Goldengirl wrote: »

So do you think that this government will pass that legislation to allow them deal with this effectively?
And didn't you say before that the guards don't want to be seen as enforcers instead of community policing ?
So what the hell do we do when / if we need enforcement?

Do I think they'll pass legislation on private houses? Nope absolutely not, its a minefield they won't go near again I think.

Its been said time and time again the model going back to the foundation of the Gardai is community based policing by consent.

If they stop someone at a checkpoint and have legislation with regards to non essential travel then they have something at their disposal if required. At the moment they don't.

You wont see Gardai getting heavy handed and / or bringing the army out with them, that just won't happen simply based on the community approach

RoryMac

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

For AGS over time/DF ATCP allowance, its cheaper to have a soldier out than a member of AGS. You could get about 4-5 soldiers for the price of one AGS member in overtime hours.

And they're less likely to check your tax and NCT so I'm all for it. It'll be nice to see a different colour uniform at the checkpoints

Goldengirl

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Army_deafness_claims



War is hell

The key point here is not the one you outlined but the fact that those soldiers , who suffered sustained deafness, were not supplied with ear protection ,by the government , against regulations which would have prevented just such deafness .

Ger Roe

thomas 123 wrote: »

I think we all have to wake up to the reality that we actually don’t have enough soldiers to enforce martial law.

Maybe checkpoints in the big cities and towns but that’s it.

Absolutely nobody is talking about enforcing martial law.

Definition : Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions or suspension of civil law by a government, especially in response to a temporary emergency where civil forces are overwhelmed, or in an occupied territory.

Aiding the civil power, is not martial law.

AnniePowwa

Army on the streets? Some of you freaks have a serious screw loose

thomas 123

Goldengirl wrote: »

The key point here is not the one you outlined but the fact that those soldiers , who suffered sustained deafness, were not supplied with ear protection ,by the government , against regulations which would have prevented just such deafness .

War is hell though, like falling off a swing or falling off the Luis...

How dare they win a totally legitimate case, wasters.

martingriff

RoryMac wrote: »

Yes obviously, we're seeing them crap their pants in relation to Covid. Can guarantee if this happened 30 years ago there wouldn't be a lockdown

No they are not crapping there pants at COVID. They are crapping there pants because they are asked to do a few basic thing for a period of time (1 year to start of summer) and screaming our youth is ruined I can't go travel (but they still can as the airports are not closed) or do drink and give the kiss of life to the one they fancy (try meeting people other ways)

This will all end and you can go on your piss ups, the travel to find yourself and still not care about anyone else next year and still be young)

Right now we are asking for a bit of cop on and a bit of strife to help the people who need it. Can you not do that????

thomas 123

Ger Roe wrote: »

Absolutely nobody is talking about enforcing martial law.

Definition : Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions or suspension of civil law by a government, especially in response to a temporary emergency where civil forces are overwhelmed, or in an occupied territory.

Aiding the civil power, is not martial law.

100%, just affirming that if it was to happen it couldn’t happen based on numbers of personal!

joeguevara

RoryMac wrote: »

Yes obviously, we're seeing them crap their pants in relation to Covid. Can guarantee if this happened 30 years ago there wouldn't be a lockdown

Maybe not 30 years but 19 years ago Ireland pretty much ground to a halt because of the foot and mouth outbreak. All public events were cancelled including GAA and 6 nations. All forrests and parks closed. Snipers shooting wild deer and other animals. Pretty much all rural ireland and the U.K. were locked down as they were the places that at risk animals were. This was a disease that posed no danger to humans but everyone had no issue following the recommendations imposed.

Interesting that the following quote in the Irish Times resonated with everyone ‘ Readers are reminded strongly that, when considering short breaks, they should bear in mind the implications of the current outbreak of foot and mouth disease … Readers should be responsible and should always comply with the advice and recommendations of the authorities at home and abroad. These include limitations on travel and disinfection procedures at the points of entry and exit.”

If there was this outbreak then and before, there clearly would have been a lockdown. There wouldn’t have been protests by people who were sent an article from a hick homeopath from Arkansas or from fake profiles. There would have been adherence.

Mats everywhere with disinfectant.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/when-foot-and-mouth-disease-ground-ireland-to-a-halt-1.4075761

jackboy

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

For AGS over time/DF ATCP allowance, its cheaper to have a soldier out than a member of AGS. You could get about 4-5 soldiers for the price of one AGS member in overtime hours.

The guards have plenty resources. Every day last week I passed a Covid Garda checkpoint on the way home from work. They were just boringly waving traffic on in general. I know one guy who was stopped with golf clubs in the back. They told him ‘essential journeys only’. He said back that he was allowed to go anywhere in his county. They let him head on to golf.

These pointless checkpoints are happening all over Ireland. The Gardaí may as well be sitting at home.

Goldengirl

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The army are always on the streets of Brussels, since the terror attacks. Not because of COVID. Same in France. Same in England.

You're wrong .
They were enforcing Covid restrictions and ensuring people wore masks .

Ger Roe

AnniePowwa wrote: »

Army on the streets? Some of you freaks have a serious screw loose

I am presuming you are not old enough to remember the various occasions when they have been on the streets to assist when needed.

I have seen the army on the streets here several times over the past forty years, including undertaking border patrols, various security and rescue operations during 'the troubles', running petrol and oil distribution networks during a fuel crisis, helping in natural disaster relief, and operating transport services during bus strikes.

It's not as unthinkable as you might imagine.

spookwoman

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Make up your mind will ya!

Speaking as a soldier who has conducted ATCP/ATCA duties, I dont see the requirement for us to be out. Especially in an armed capacity in which I imagine is the general opposition here.

AGS have it covered. However, if we are requested to assist, get over it. We are there for times of emergency to assist the AGS or other state authorites/departments. We wont be out kicking in doors, oppressing people or witholding your rights ffs.

We should all be pulling together in the greater interest to limit the spread of this cnut ass disease and getting back to normal asap. There shouldnt even be a need for AGS checkpoints.

Technically, the DF have already been "on the street", setting up and operating covid test centres. Now, what Ryanair flight are you on tonight?

If anyone is interested, heres a link to various militaries responses to covid so far...including Ireland.

http://euromil.org/armed-forces-and-covid-19/

There are 2 types of people in this world. The ones that do things like yourselves and then the other type that do nothing but complain about those that do.

AnniePowwa

Ger Roe wrote: »

I am presuming you are not old enough to remember the various occasions when they have been on the streets to assist when needed.

I have seen the army on the streets here several times over the past forty years, including undertaking border patrols, various security and rescue operations during 'the troubles', running petrol and oil distribution networks during a fuel crisis, helping in natural disaster relief, and operating transport services during bus strikes.

It's not as unthinkable as you might imagine.

Not even remotely similar

bb1234567

Pretty shocking - Ethnic minorities make up just 27% of the US population but almost 50% of COVID deaths in the US have been ethnic minorities

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e1.htm?s_cid=mm6942e1_w

Jucifer

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

Whereas your generation would have stormed the beaches of Normandy stoically. Give me a break what has your generation done that you can be so smug and sanctimonious about?

I am also of that generation. We are very courageous. I once stood on a plug and didn’t even cry.

Cilldara_2000

joeguevara wrote: »

Maybe not 30 years but 19 years ago Ireland pretty much ground to a halt because of the foot and mouth outbreak. All public events were cancelled including GAA and 6 nations. All forrests and parks closed. Snipers shooting wild deer and other animals. Pretty much all rural ireland and the U.K. were locked down as they were the places that at risk animals were. This was a disease that posed no danger to humans but everyone had no issue following the recommendations imposed.

Interesting that the following quote in the Irish Times resonated with everyone ‘ Readers are reminded strongly that, when considering short breaks, they should bear in mind the implications of the current outbreak of foot and mouth disease … Readers should be responsible and should always comply with the advice and recommendations of the authorities at home and abroad. These include limitations on travel and disinfection procedures at the points of entry and exit.”

If there was this outbreak then and before, there clearly would have been a lockdown. There wouldn’t have been protests by people who were sent an article from a hick homeopath from Arkansas or from fake profiles. There would have been adherence.

Mats everywhere with disinfectant.

All sorts of events were cancelled but you could still go for pints with your friends, shake hands with people, get the shift, etc. It's not all that comparable IMO.

JP Liz V1

Funsterdelux wrote: »

No Army, no Guards, just citizens

We genuinely have our own Eugene Tackleberry in Big Jim O Callaghan TD

Spanish Eyes

OH calm down will you all.

Let's see what tomorrow brings, but we kind of know. The big issue is those who will not observe, and how to deal with that really.

Any suggestions lol?

Plumbthedepths

bb1234567 wrote: »

Pretty shocking - Ethnic minorities make up just 27% of the US population but almost 50% of COVID deaths in the US have been ethnic minorities

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e1.htm?s_cid=mm6942e1_w

BAME communities seem to be harder hit in the UK aswell.

thomas 123

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OH calm down will you all.

Let's see what tomorrow brings, but we kind of know. The big issue is those who will not observe, and how to deal with that really.

Any suggestions lol?

Water Cannon

spookwoman

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Ger Roe

AnniePowwa wrote: »

Not even remotely similar

Simillar to what? it's aiding the civil power in whatever role is requested of them - that's what they can be called upon to do.

I am not saying it is likely in these circumstances, but it is certainly possible.

the corpo

Ugh, hard not to feel despondent. Went to collect my mums laundry from the hospital she's in at the moment, and by total chance she outside having a cigarette. Got to have a quick chat from a distance and it was brilliant. But got so deflated afterwards, that it just doesn't have to be so **** like this, but for the callous carelessness of a handful of people.

I'd still love to believe it's all about the message, not restrictions, and those having house parties etc., are just ignoring or oblivious to it. What about a simple community alert campaign, put up election style posters everywhere, "Don't party....just yet"

thomas 123

thomas 123 wrote: »

Water Cannon

Outside the church’s to stop the filthy old people from bringing back into the nursing homes.