Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

stephenjmcd

octsol wrote: »

Will sport be impacted by new restrictions?

Depends what the sport is and what level it's being played at

SEPT 23 1989

We will be back to square one by the end of November this mish mash of rules won't work

the corpo

I still believe all we really need is a massive effort to get people behind the simple stuff, Social distancing, washing hands. Without enforcement, any restrictions will be ignored by those who don't care, so make them care.

The "this is 2m" that was posted on pavements everywhere was hugely effective, but in my area at the very least they're totally worn away and need to be repainted. If people aren't seeing the message, they can't get it.

Why not a war time PR effort, posters on lamp posts, "Your country needs you....not to party", "Your country need you...to wash your hands"?

amadangomor

irishrover99 wrote: »

Get over yourself. It was a joke.

Mine was too, get over yourself.

morebabies

These restrictions, if they match what has been leaked, will have no impact on my family whatsoever. My kids will still be mixing with about 1200 other students and teachers and still allowed to see the grandparents. Is the virus OK with this?

amadangomor

FrogmanBegins wrote: »

It really disturbs me how people can romanticize sending millions of teenage boys off to shoot, bomb and bayonet each other in the much as if it's some ideal to live up to.

Yeh, should have let Hitler have his way and let the nutjob take over.

You might have a point with WW1 but WW2 had to be fought.

khalessi

morebabies wrote: »

These restrictions, if they match what has been leaked, will have no impact on my family whatsoever. My kids will still be mixing with about 1200 other students and teachers and still allowed to see the grandparents. Is the virus OK with this?

Virus says yes, as it is scared of schools, cant get through bubbles and pods.

is_that_so

Some thoughts on why we need to see an exit strategy spelt out.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/lockdown-lobby-needs-to-explain-why-this-time-would-be-different-1.4384086

Fuascailteoir

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Fair point, but they have to try something, what else can they do?

Tackle the main cause of the spread: the GAA combined with post match celebrations.

beggars_bush

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Tackle the main cause of the spread: the GAA combined with post match celebrations.

In a few cases, sure

You can't blame the gaa for every infection

suicide_circus

the corpo wrote: »

I still believe all we really need is a massive effort to get people behind the simple stuff, Social distancing, washing hands. Without enforcement, any restrictions will be ignored by those who don't care, so make them care.

The "this is 2m" that was posted on pavements everywhere was hugely effective, but in my area at the very least they're totally worn away and need to be repainted. If people aren't seeing the message, they can't get it.

Why not a war time PR effort, posters on lamp posts, "Your country needs you....not to party", "Your country need you...to wash your hands"?

It's not that people don't know what's required due to a lack of signage etc, it's that they don't give a tupenny sh1te what the requirements are. Same way people know the speed limit is but regularly exceed it

Fuascailteoir

beggars_bush wrote: »

In a few cases, sure

You can't blame the gaa for every infection

They triggered the initial spread into the wider community. It took root then. They need to own up to what they caused

stephenjmcd

Irish times : "However, there seemed to be general agreement the escalation in restrictions would not last six weeks. “It’s much too long and will not give anybody hope,” said one Minister."

Yeah let's see about that, we all know how this goes, 3 or 4 weeks and then oh we need 2 more weeks.

eviltimeban

Infini wrote: »

Would be nice if Gyms could stay open as well if only with reduced numbers even as I haven't heard of any problems with them so far.

+1. Haven't heard anything at all about gyms. The gym I go to is often empty, I'm the only one there or perhaps two others who are across the hall. There's no interaction.

And when there are more people, it's restricted to 8 and you work out in a marked off area. Spray bottles to wipe equipment down. Hand sanitiser when you enter. Toilets are closed but there's a sink to wash your hands. Windows and doors are all open, there's always a breeze.

I really missed the gym last time and it took me ages to get back to the level I was at, I'm really hoping if they do close it'll be 3 weeks only.

thelad95

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Tackle the main cause of the spread: the GAA combined with post match celebrations.

The GAA community (not the actual playing of games) has certainly been a contributor in recent weeks but are definitely not the "main cause".

SEPT 23 1989

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Irish times : "However, there seemed to be general agreement the escalation in restrictions would not last six weeks. “It’s much too long and will not give anybody hope,” said one Minister."

Yeah let's see about that, we all know how this goes, 3 or 4 weeks and then oh we need 2 more weeks.

And then they start running out of road

screamer

I honestly cannot see how level 4 plus or whatever they are talking about doing now is going to help. The virus was, in the spring spreading through closed environments in nursing homes etc. Now, it is rampant in the general population. There’s far more cases out there than testing is detecting, and with the lack of people following guidelines and indeed no enforcement of those guidelines, this thing will just spread and keep spreading, restrictions or not. 3 to 4 weeks won’t put a dent in the case numbers, and we cannot stay in this lockdown cycle. We’d be far better off to spend that money on giving out proper PPE to citizens and trying to get on with things. I think the horse has bolted in terms of controlling the spread of covid.

pjohnson

The fixation with schools is bizzare. Why are Martin and Foley so adamant to make the daftest decision possible.

With the amount of community cases now it makes no sense to keep schools open. Even just extend/bring forward midterm for a week or two till numbers drop and then re-open but leaving them as is looks odd.

weldoninhio

Curious_Case wrote: »

Just a thought --

Is there any provision for some kind of "travel pass" whereby you visit your local station (Garda), describe your intended trip and seek a stamped pass that will get you through checkpoints.

If not, one might attempt to travel through several counties, with a reason that satisfies the first few checkpoints, only to be told to turn back by the next one.

No checkpoint can tell you to turn back.

is_that_so

eviltimeban wrote: »

+1. Haven't heard anything at all about gyms. The gym I go to is often empty, I'm the only one there or perhaps two others who are across the hall. There's no interaction.

And when there are more people, it's restricted to 8 and you work out in a marked off area. Spray bottles to wipe equipment down. Hand sanitiser when you enter. Toilets are closed but there's a sink to wash your hands. Windows and doors are all open, there's always a breeze.

I really missed the gym last time and it took me ages to get back to the level I was at, I'm really hoping if they do close it'll be 3 weeks only.

From reading poster experiences, chatting to people in RL and from seeing this in my own gym they really have taken it very seriously as have the members. Sadly, that may not be enough despite the enormous well-being they bring, I expect them to have to close.

is_that_so

pjohnson wrote: »

The fixation with schools is bizzare. Why are Martin and Foley so adamant to make the daftest decision possible.

With the amount of community cases now it makes no sense to keep schools open. Even just extend/bring forward midterm for a week or two till numbers drop and then re-open but leaving them as is looks odd.

The mid-term is at the end of this week so it could be argued that there's a natural "circuit breaker" already built in.

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

From reading poster experiences, chatting to people in RL and from seeing this in my own gym they really have taken it very seriously as have the members. Sadly, that may not be enough despite the enormous well-being they bring, I expect them to have to close.

Yup my own gym only reopened 2 weeks ago, took them longer as they were making changes to create more space, knocked a few walls and created more spacious areas, removed the studios and created a very large open plan floor.

There's only been around 20 max any time I've gone even at what would have previously been very busy times.

They have a cleaner all day going around wiping down equipment but everyone is doing it themselves, everything you need to wipe down the equipment signposted and easily available throughout the gym.

All very well run and I've not felt unsafe at all, felt safer than when they were open in March.

Multipass

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Irish times : "However, there seemed to be general agreement the escalation in restrictions would not last six weeks. “It’s much too long and will not give anybody hope,” said one Minister."

Yeah let's see about that, we all know how this goes, 3 or 4 weeks and then oh we need 2 more weeks.

Just another two weeks, just another 4 weeks, if you all behave you can have Christmas.

wadacrack

I dont see the Ro dropping below 1.0 with schools open and some colleges. Theirs students living in accommodation and travelling home at weekends too. Level 4 for probably 4 weeks and Im not sure it will have the impact people are expecting

funnydoggy

wadacrack wrote: »

I dont see the Ro dropping below 1.0 with schools open and some colleges. Theirs students living in accommodation and travelling home at weekends too. Level 4 for probably 4 weeks and Im not sure it will have the impact people are expecting

Yup, have to agree with you there.

Goldrickssan

You can't stay young forever

46 Long

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Massively support moving to L5 restrictions myself but only if enforcement is made a priority otherwise utterly pointless.

How to lose public support in five easy steps:

- Ignore the WHO and close down most of the country, shuttering businesses and putting people out of work. It didn't work the last time but sure look, we might as well give it another go. It's always good to redouble efforts long after the original aim is forgotten.

- Expect the newly unemployed to pay the mortgage/rent, put food on the table and cover all other expenses on €300 a week.

- Introduce nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions designed to suck what little joy still exists out of our lives. Tell people they can't visit their family at home but outdoor pints with the lads are fine lol

- Make sure you change the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions every other week just to keep people on their toes. Introduce an ostensibly clear five level plan but then start randomly mixing and matching bits from different levels. After a while you might want to start relaxing things a little and allow outdoor meetings of up to four people from two different households on the 3rd Tuesday of every month for 30 minutes at a time in the presence of a benevolent junta NPHET representative.

- Start fining any noncompliance with the the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions. Encourage children to report their parents for not wearing masks and recruit the local curtain-twitchers to do neighborhood patrols with two metre long measuring sticks to make sure everyone is correctly socially-distanced. Better yet, start rounding them up and slapping offenders with 6 month sentences in already grotesquely over-crowded prisons. That'll really help slow the spread of a highly infectious disease.

iamwhoiam

They will have to address childcare .Every second child in our local school is picked up by a minder .

tom1ie

46 Long wrote: »

How to lose public support in five easy steps:

- Ignore the WHO and close down most of the country, shuttering businesses and putting people out of work. It didn't work the last time but sure look, we might as well give it another go. It's always good to redouble efforts long after the original aim is forgotten.

- Expect the newly unemployed to pay the mortgage/rent, put food on the table and cover all other expenses on €300 a week.

- Introduce nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions designed to suck what little joy still exists out of our lives. Tell people they can't visit their family at home but outdoor pints with the lads are fine lol

- Make sure you change the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions every other week just to keep people on their toes. Introduce an ostensibly clear five level plan but then start randomly mixing and matching bits from different levels. After a while you might want to start relaxing things a little and allow outdoor meetings of up to four people from two different households on the 3rd Tuesday of every month for 30 minutes at a time in the presence of a benevolent junta NPHET representative.

- Start fining any noncompliance with the the nonsensical, Kafka-esque restrictions. Encourage children to report their parents for not wearing masks and recruit the local curtain-twitchers to do neighborhood patrols with two metre long measuring sticks to make sure everyone is correctly socially-distanced. Better yet, start rounding them up and slapping offenders with 6 month sentences in already grotesquely over-crowded prisons. That'll really help slow the spread of a highly infectious disease.

Chill man. Just chill.

tom1ie

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They will have to address childcare .Every second child in our local school is picked up by a minder .

How?