Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

iamwhoiam

tom1ie wrote: »

How?

Not up to me to figure it out

harr

All the talk about level 4 , 4 plus or level 5 is pointless unless they also change how it’s policed .. no point asking people nicely to adhere to new guidelines.
Why not a stick to level 3 and give the guards proper powers to police and enforce.
Why do they think the people ignoring level 3 will be a any different on level 5

rob316

It won't work it's absolutely pointless, I hope the cabinet see sense and don't agree to this today. Work with level 3 and bring in zero tolerance enforcement.

is_that_so

tom1ie wrote: »

Chill man. Just chill.

You'll be saying that a lot over the next 4-6-8 weeks!

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

You'll be saying that a lot over the next 4-6-8 weeks!

Just sit at home and watch netflix will probably get an airing alot

suicide_circus

harr wrote: »

All the talk about level 4 , 4 plus or level 5 is pointless unless they also change how it’s policed .. no point asking people nicely to adhere to new guidelines.
Why not a stick to level 3 and give the guards proper powers to police and enforce.
Why do they think the people ignoring level 3 will be a any different on level 5

Which guards are these? The ones that rarely enforce traffic laws? The ones that show up 3 hours later when you call them? Policing in Ireland is reactionary - you wait for a crime to happen and then react to it - very slowly. Cops on the beat, proactively looking for trouble and creating an environment in which crime is less likely to take place hasn't existed here for decades. And that's the kind of policing model required to make people think "i'd better obey these restrictions because there could be a garda around the corner"

Necro

Man I'm so glad I took a day or two off this thread, the level of panic is astounding.

I think the overlying point is most agree enforcement is more required than further restrictions.

Back to WFH myself today, though some doolally decided to turn off my work PC so waiting on someone to turn it back on so I can actually do some sort of work.

The joys.

manniot2

rob316 wrote: »

It won't work it's absolutely pointless, I hope the cabinet see sense and don't agree to this today. Work with level 3 and bring in zero tolerance enforcement.

Judging by all the leaks, that ship has sailed.

GooglePlus

manniot2 wrote: »

Judging by all the leaks, that ship has sailed.

Yeah the decision has been made so best putting the head down and sticking it out for now.

Busi_Girl08

46 Long wrote: »

"The next two weeks are crucial"

"The last two weeks *were* crucial" but we fcuked them up"

manniot2

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just sit at home and watch netflix will probably get an airing alot

"all we are asking is that you sit at home and watch tv"....no youre asking me to give up my chance of surviving cancer, my livelihood, my future and any prosperity.

Eod100

Remember Varadkar used Belgium as a country that we should follow example of at start of this month. Situation there very bad lately.

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1318087603158212608

StevenToast

The next 2 weeks are crucial

manniot2

why cant we do what they are doing in Slovakia - test everyone. Surely worth a lash at this stage.

is_that_so

manniot2 wrote: »

why cant we do what they are doing in Slovakia - test everyone. Surely worth a lash at this stage.

No rapid tests have been signed off on as accurate enough, primarily by de Gascun I'd imagine. They'd need to be close to the PCR level of accuracy and they are not.

Fr Tod Umptious

manniot2 wrote: »

why cant we do what they are doing in Slovakia - test everyone. Surely worth a lash at this stage.

Not when you have situations like the following.
This is from a piece on RTE this morning about how one case infected 56.

56 cases linked to man who returned from abroad

RTE wrote:

The index case had mild symptoms, but no temperature and went out to socialise with friends. He later tested positive and three of his friends also subsequently tested positive.

Another contact went to a party with friends a couple of hours after having a test

So if you have people going around the place like normal after a test and while awaiting results then you will never beat the virus.

Jack1985

is_that_so wrote: »

No rapid tests have been signed off on as accurate enough, primarily by de Gascun I'd imagine. They'd need to be close to the PCR level of accuracy and they are not.

That's not entirely correct. It's more when they become widely available, LAMP testing is much cheaper (circa $5) and as accurate as PCR. Other Antigen testings have a bit more to go in terms of accuracy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377665/
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3789/rr
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/15-minute-coronavirus-test-gets-the-green-light-for-a-european-rollout.html

manniot2

is_that_so wrote: »

No rapid tests have been signed off on as accurate enough, primarily by de Gascun I'd imagine. They'd need to be close to the PCR level of accuracy and they are not.

not perfect I know, but would surely trace a large portion of cases that would isolate and help the situation. Surely beats closing shops for no reason.

is_that_so

Jack1985 wrote: »

That's not entirely correct. It's more when they become widely available, LAMP testing is much cheaper (circa $5) and as accurate as PCR. Other Antigen testings have a bit more to go in terms of accuracy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377665/
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3789/rr
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/15-minute-coronavirus-test-gets-the-green-light-for-a-european-rollout.html

The signed off bit is correct! That has also been his position on accuracy. You need to take it up with him.

Morries Wigs

My take- the next 2 weeks are crucial

Goldrickssan

The next 3 minutes are crucial

I dont want to block the jacks again with my morning ****e

Morries Wigs

wadacrack wrote: »

I dont see the Ro dropping below 1.0 with schools open and some colleges. Theirs students living in accommodation and travelling home at weekends too. Level 4 for probably 4 weeks and Im not sure it will have the impact people are expecting

Probably have no impact students spreading it all over the place aswell as schools those issues are being ignored

rob316

It's so sad that people support killing our economy for no reason other than because NPHET recommend it. SAGE in the UK said it would make no difference and pinpointed schools as a major issue.

Retail has done everything asked of it and ensured it's the most compliant sector.

manniot2

rob316 wrote: »

It's so sad that people support killing our economy for no reason other than because NPHET recommend it. SAGE in the UK said it would make no difference and pinpointed schools as a major issue.

Retail has done everything asked of it and ensured it's the most compliant sector.

A complete master stroke by the establishment. How people lap it up is beyond me, I guess its just fear.

The Mighty Quinn

Family member was due to marry on Sunday coming with 25 people.

If we go to Level 4/5 today, does that immediately mean the wedding is a 6 person affair? When Donegal went to L4, announcement made on Wednesday, weddings that weekend were unaffected according to the Taoiseach.

I can't attend anyway unfortunately as we're in different counties and cannot travel for it, but majority of her guests are local to her.

CIARAN_BOYLE

The Mighty Quinn wrote: »

Family member was due to marry on Sunday coming with 25 people.

If we go to Level 4/5 today, does that immediately mean the wedding is a 6 person affair? When Donegal went to L4, announcement made on Wednesday, weddings that weekend were unaffected according to the Taoiseach.

I can't attend anyway unfortunately as we're in different counties and cannot travel for it, but majority of her guests are local to her.

We will see.

How do you expect the internet to have an answer where there hasn't been an announcement yet.

The Mighty Quinn

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

We will see.

How do you expect the internet to have an answer where there hasn't been an announcement yet.

Any need for the tone? A simple, "we'll have to see I suppose" would have sufficed.

circadian

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Not when you have situations like the following.
This is from a piece on RTE this morning about how one case infected 56.

56 cases linked to man who returned from abroad

So if you have people going around the place like normal after a test and while awaiting results then you will never beat the virus.

This, out in the car with the other half a few days ago and we saw several different large groups of older teenagers maurading around. She just said "we don't stand a chance, do we?"

Cilldara_2000

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Tackle the main cause of the spread: the GAA combined with post match celebrations.

Nonsense. Not the main cause and already tackled by the GAA anyway.

Plumbthedepths

Eod100 wrote: »

Remember Varadkar used Belgium as a country that we should follow example of at start of this month. Situation there very bad lately.

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1318087603158212608

I think you may be misrepresenting what Leo said about Belgium. He was referring to how Belgium reports cases.