Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

iamwhoiam

Flu vaccine in short supply again .I just had my appointment cancelled .

khalessi

seamus wrote: »

And if anyone is thinking, "Their parents have to be keeping them in", then consider how naive that is and whether your parents would have been able to keep you indoors at 15 years old when all your mates are out on the street.

At 15 I would have had enough respect for my parents and knowledge to know to stay at home because it was necessary. My nieces and nephews all teenagers all stayed at home during alst lockdown because they were brought up properly and all had enough knowledge and cop on to realise how unsafe it was. THey used zoom and other social media to stay in touch with pals the last time.

seamus

Boggles wrote: »

No they won't.

A trend is not over a period of 24 or 48 hours.

You're right. A trend is over a week or more. And so far we have a 7-day trend where infection rates have not been growing. 2 more days like that and we can call that confirmed.

If positivity rates over the weekend indicate more growth, then that seven-day was just a blip and not a trend.

See how that works?

MD1990

schools are government buildings.
The agenda to make them seem safe is a disgrace.

Cases will stabilize or go down with increased restrictions.

But they wont get down to single digits.

rather than give themselves a pay rise they need to actually come up with a long term plan.

Non solum non ambulabit

paw patrol wrote: »

because keeping the kids getting an education and them moving through the system is of vital importance. to delay the education would have decades of

a knock on effect. It should be the very last thing closed. Also the covid doesn't seem to bother kids much.



I've ranted about the governments behaviour a lot , but this is one thing they got right - to prioritise the schools.

Totally agree. You can't shut down our kids educations for another year and all the knock on affects that will have because 30 people are in ICU.

We need to look at the big picture here. In a mature society children should always be our priority.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Arrived at Carnmore test centre at 2:20, and didn’t get tested until 3. Was well organised but queue of cars was quite large. 6 test bays in a hangar with 6 cars in at a time. About 5 minutes in and out so that’s maybe 70 cars a hour. A lot of testing

No detect result at 8:45 this morning. Followed by rush to get kids out to school. Given all that's going on, less than 48 hours is reasonable at the moment

is_that_so

MD1990 wrote: »

schools are government buildings.
The agenda to make them seem safe is a disgrace.

Cases will stabilize or go down with increased restrictions.

But they wont get down to single digits.

rather than give themselves a pay rise they need to actually come up with a long term plan.

The schools will be closed from Friday.mid-term.

Boggles

seamus wrote: »

And so far we have a 7-day trend where infection rates have not been growing. 2 more days like that and we can call that confirmed.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1317867927257948160

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1318108472941170689

Reality disagrees Seamus.

Also contract tracing has collapsed the headline figures are no longer accurate.

paw patrol

Blondini wrote: »

Phew!

Thank God it's not contagious!

Father Hernandez wrote: »

It may not but doesn't stop them from being asymptomatic, bringing it home and infecting their whole family.

fc*kin beautifully done. both of you (and shame on those who liked your posts)

isolate a line and ignore the context of the entire post.


bravo!

Funsterdelux

Deleted User wrote: »

No detect result at 8:45 this morning. Followed by rush to get kids out to school. Given all that's going on, less than 48 hours is reasonable at the moment

Good to hear.

My OH's neg result last month was just after 9am! Lucky kids

Doctor Jimbob

lawred2 wrote: »

what would you suggest for 1m people at three levels of education?

Where possible, distance learning. Where that isn't feasible, a blended system so there are less people in the building if not in the classroom. Plenty of third level institutes are already using online learning where possible.

Basically anything other than the heads in the sand "ah sure the schools are grand" approach would be something.

Longing

seamus wrote: »

And so far we have a 7-day trend where infection rates have not been growing.

11 Oct = 814
18 Oct = 1283


Defiantly stable.

seamus

khalessi wrote: »

At 15 I would have had enough respect for my parents and knowledge to know to stay at home because it was necessary. My nieces and nephews all teenagers all stayed at home during alst lockdown because they were brought up properly and all had enough knowledge and cop on to realise how unsafe it was. THey used zoom and other social media to stay in touch with pals the last time.

Last time.

Last lockdown was very different. Everyone was convinced there was deadly infection on the loose that would randomly strike 1 in 20 people dead.

This time all the kids have been mixing with their mates every day for five months and the world has not collapsed. Kids are not dying, the majority of them are not getting infected, and any that do are recovering quickly.

And you will say that's a very narrow view and misses the wider implications, and I would agree with you. But that is the reality of what parents and teenagers are seeing. How can you convince a teenager that they have to stay home and not see their mates, with etheral concepts like infection rates and ICU numbers?

You can't.

Jizique

khalessi wrote: »

At 15 I would have had enough respect for my parents and knowledge to know to stay at home because it was necessary. My nieces and nephews all teenagers all stayed at home during alst lockdown because they were brought up properly and all had enough knowledge and cop on to realise how unsafe it was. THey used zoom and other social media to stay in touch with pals the last time.

Very impressive but the reality is that unless they fall into one of five categories namely old folks home employee, meat plant worker, traveller, Roma, or they live in direct provision, the chances of them picking it up were minimal.

SleetAndSnow

With regards to retail, is it not that they could have picked it up in retail, but contact tracing doesn't go far enough back to figure that out so it then gets counted as household cluster? I believe they are just eliminating yet another path for people to meet up and virus to spread

At my local shopping center yesterday only one shop was enforcing the max number in the store rule and the one way in and out. One shop. All the rest of them were like a free for all, pre covid family day out. Touching every piece of clothing, chatting with friends in the shop, no more following the arrows. Needless to say I left fairly quickly

Not every retail shop is perfect. Maybe if people just followed the rules (including businesses who need to stop being made out as being perfect, one or two yes but a lot of them are not following guidelines). Don't implement rules? Don't complain when they get shut down for a few weeks.

titan18

Lead in for a decision we've all known was coming since Friday :rolleyes:

CIARAN_BOYLE

seamus wrote: »

You're right. A trend is over a week or more. And so far we have a 7-day trend where infection rates have not been growing. 2 more days like that and we can call that confirmed.

If positivity rates over the weekend indicate more growth, then that seven-day was just a blip and not a trend.

See how that works?

You mean

11 october 825 cases
18 October 1283 cases

Have you a source for the daily positivity rate. On the government dashboard its positivity rate last 7 days and its gone from 5.1% on 11 October to 7.3% on Octobet 18.

seamus

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Infection rates. Why respond with cases?

Because they're addicted to misery porn. They only talk about the numbers that make things look as bleak as possible.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

You mean

11 october 825 cases
18 October 1283 cases

Have you a source for the daily positivity rate. On the government dashboard its positivity rate last 7 days and its gone from 5.1% on 11 October to 7.3% on Octobet 18.

Correct. However the positivity rate on 11th October was 7.3%. And hasn't deviated a lot since then. The 7-day will always lag behind the absolute, especially when it's changing.
Even if the positivity rate was 5% today, the 7-day average would be 7.1%.

If the weekend data; Sunday & Monday; were to be in the 7.5%-range again, then that would be a solid indication that infection rates have peaked.

bennyl10

seamus wrote: »

You're right. A trend is over a week or more. And so far we have a 7-day trend where infection rates have not been growing. 2 more days like that and we can call that confirmed.

If positivity rates over the weekend indicate more growth, then that seven-day was just a blip and not a trend.

See how that works?

Only that’s just not factual?

Doctor Jimbob

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Totally agree. You can't shut down our kids educations for another year and all the knock on affects that will have because 30 people are in ICU.

We need to look at the big picture here. In a mature society children should always be our priority.

No one is saying kids education should be shut down, or that children shouldn't be prioritisied.

What people are saying is having hundreds of people in a building and dozens in a room is wildly irresponsible in the middle of a pandemic which seems to thrive when crowds gather indoors.

Funsterdelux

seamus wrote: »

Last time.

Last lockdown was very different. Everyone was convinced there was deadly infection on the loose that would randomly strike 1 in 20 people dead.

This time all the kids have been mixing with their mates every day for five months and the world has not collapsed. Kids are not dying, the majority of them are not getting infected, and any that do are recovering quickly.

And you will say that's a very narrow view and misses the wider implications, and I would agree with you. But that is the reality of what parents and teenagers are seeing. How can you convince a teenager that they have to stay home and not see their mates, with etheral concepts like infection rates and ICU numbers?

You can't.

I know I'm not fond of teenagers, even when I was one but you really dont rate them at all.

:eek:

SusanC10

khalessi wrote: »

At 15 I would have had enough respect for my parents and knowledge to know to stay at home because it was necessary. My nieces and nephews all teenagers all stayed at home during alst lockdown because they were brought up properly and all had enough knowledge and cop on to realise how unsafe it was. THey used zoom and other social media to stay in touch with pals the last time.

Our 14 year old stays at home apart from school and GAA (now finished for the season). He is not allowed out roaming around and he understands why. He keeps in touch with his friends online.

lawred2

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I know I'm not fond of teenagers, even when I was one but you really dont rate them at all.

:eek:

That's what you took from his post?

I saw empathy and understanding.

kilkenny31

Guys,

I haven't posted on this site since the last lockdown. I'm almost in shock that we are back at this point again. It seems completely pre-mature. When we went in the last lockdown we had around double of what we have now in ICU and it was growing at a much faster rate.

This seems absolutely ridiculous to me. If we were to stay going as we are now it would be two months before we had the numbers in ICU we had back in April and I'm not even sure it would get to that.

I supported the initial Lockdown but to close everything again seems like a bad idea. Granted the number of new cases are high but we are testing a lot more now. None of the other figures are anywhere near where they were at the start of the last lockdown. It's clear the virus doesn't have the same capacity to grow as it did before because of the testing and measures that are already in place. So disappointed in our government.

It is clear from the figures that we should more than manage to keep going as we are now.

MD1990

Deleted User wrote: »

No detect result at 8:45 this morning. Followed by rush to get kids out to school. Given all that's going on, less than 48 hours is reasonable at the moment

So if your positive.
It may well cause an outbreak at a school possibly.

Surely the directive should be to keep very close contacts of someone awaiting a test result at home

I seriously doubt this is the protocol in countries with low infection rates.

Father Hernandez

paw patrol wrote: »

fc*kin beautifully done. both of you (and shame on those who liked your posts)

isolate a line and ignore the context of the entire post.

bravo!

Your comment of "Also the covid doesn't seem to bother kids much" deserved it.

You're saying you're agreeing with the gov priorotising the schools. It's a very fine line of balancing the schools being open or not.

Since they have reopened, we have had a second wave. They've blamed pubs, restaurants, house parties, retail but not once have schools been even spoken about as being a possible cause of increasing covid rates yet you have approx 1 million people going to schools on a daily basis (Mon-Fri)

What have the gov done since the pandemic began to make schools safer or to facilitate studying from home?

The government priorisiting schools has led to a second wave, it's no weird coincidence. The vulnerable that we've wanted to protect will now be the ones to suffer the most like they did in the first wave.

I'm not advocating closing the schools indefinitely but if we are going to suppress or live with the virus, the gov can't have their heads in the sand and pretend schools are no issue.

TonyMaloney

seamus wrote: »

Because they're addicted to misery porn. They only talk about the numbers that make things look as bleak as possible.

Just so we're all clear, this is what you're getting excited about, Seamus.

MerlinSouthDub

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

No one is saying kids education should be shut down, or that children shouldn't be prioritisied.

What people are saying is having hundreds of people in a building and dozens in a room is wildly irresponsible in the middle of a pandemic which seems to thrive when crowds gather indoors.

Infection rates in school kids are much lower than in the community. So, why are you positioning something as wildly irresponsible when the data says the opposite?

Funsterdelux

lawred2 wrote: »

That's what you took from his post?

I saw empathy and understanding.

Theres a trend there

screamer

Can we just stop the fighting over schools. The next few weeks are going to tell if schools are a main transmission route for covid or not, then you can all tear each other’s eyes out. Till then, cool the jets a bit and let’s see....