Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Benimar

Why does it seem that once the issue of schools is raised it becomes an argument of extremes? Whey do people state that the only alternative to not have kids packed into a classroom is to shut schools?

I don't like the idea of full classrooms, like a lot of others on here, but I don't think that it has to be 'all or nothing' as some are making out.

Surely part physical, part online could be at least tried?

funnydoggy

When are we getting an announcement does anyone know?

Roger_007

SusanC10 wrote: »

Our 14 stays at home apart from school and GAA (now finished for the season). He is not allowed out roaming around and he understands why. He keeps in touch with his friends online.

Surely you don’t encourage a 14 year old to be spending all his time indulging in that great evil of our time....social media.
What happened to the message of not long ago that social media was ruining our kid’s lives. Was that message wrong?
No wonder kids are confused!

quokula

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Since they have reopened, we have had a second wave. They've blamed pubs, restaurants, house parties, retail but not once have schools been even spoken about as being a possible cause of increasing covid rates yet you have approx 1 million people going to schools on a daily basis (Mon-Fri)

That's because they're using data and evidence of what is actually happening, rather than wild speculation about what you think is happening.

seamus

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I know I'm not fond of teenagers, even when I was one but you really dont rate them at all.

:eek:

I don't dislike teenagers, and I know they're not stupid.

But they're also inherently selfish and consider themselves invincible.

That's not me sh1tting on teenagers, it's a biological fact. Their brains are less mature and make judgement decisions from different areas of the brain and based on different criteria, than adults do.

Busi_Girl08

funnydoggy wrote: »

When are we getting an announcement does anyone know?

Looks like it will be around 9 tonight.

funnydoggy

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Looks like it will be around 9 tonight.

Thank you Busi_Girl08

Father Hernandez

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Infection rates in school kids are much lower than in the community. So, why are you positioning something as wildly irresponsible when the data says the opposite?

Kids are generally asympotmatic so they will show little to no symptoms.

If they catch the virus, they pass it onto their parents who will show symptons, if they test positive, the kid then gets tested, if positive, it's seen as a community transmission or caught in the family home.

For example, even if a child test positive on a Monday, nobody in the school they were in will be traced as a potential close contact.

Even if teachers and other kids were in close contact with the child the Monday to Friday previously, it doesn't matter to the HSE.

So the kid either got it at home from a sibling or parent, in the community from neighbours and other people in the school won't be tested.

If the kid is positive on a Sat or Sun, it's a whole diff story. The kid could've got it from school, brought it home, infected the family and it's deemed a family contact rather than anything in the schools.

paw patrol

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Your comment of "Also the covid doesn't seem to bother kids much" deserved it.

You're saying you're agreeing with the gov priorotising the schools. It's a very fine line of balancing the schools being open or not.

Since they have reopened, we have had a second wave. They've blamed pubs, restaurants, house parties, retail but not once have schools been even spoken about as being a possible cause of increasing covid rates yet you have approx 1 million people going to schools on a daily basis (Mon-Fri)

What have the gov done since the pandemic began to make schools safer or to facilitate studying from home?

The government priorisiting schools has led to a second wave, it's no weird coincidence. The vulnerable that we've wanted to protect will now be the ones to suffer the most like they did in the first wave.

I'm not advocating closing the schools indefinitely but if we are going to suppress or live with the virus, the gov can't have their heads in the sand and pretend schools are no issue.

i was clearing talking about the risk to kids from covid in attending school.
my whole point was related to that schools were the most important.


context matters.

ednwireland

funnydoggy wrote: »

When are we getting an announcement does anyone know?

9pm

Longing

funnydoggy wrote: »

When are we getting an announcement does anyone know?

Address to the nation around 9 tonight I reckon but loads of leaks from the usual mob before that.

CIARAN_BOYLE

funnydoggy wrote: »

When are we getting an announcement does anyone know?

It will be late. Either the 6 o clock news or the 9 o clock news I suspect.

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Guys,

I haven't posted on this site since the last lockdown. I'm almost in shock that we are back at this point again. It seems completely pre-mature. When we went in the last lockdown we had around double of what we have now in ICU and it was growing at a much faster rate.

This seems absolutely ridiculous to me. If we were to stay going as we are now it would be two months before we had the numbers in ICU we had back in April and I'm not even sure it would get to that.

I supported the initial Lockdown but to close everything again seems like a bad idea. Granted the number of new cases are high but we are testing a lot more now. None of the other figures are anywhere near where they were at the start of the last lockdown. It's clear the virus doesn't have the same capacity to grow as it did before because of the testing and measures that are already in place. So disappointed in our government.

It is clear from the figures that we should more than manage to keep going as we are now.

The earlier we lock down the less time we need to be locked down for. The more stuff we can keep open as we lock down. Government policy is schools are last so if we want to keep the schools open we need to shut a lot earlier.

Also not that it took time for restrictions to bring the icu numbers down.

SusanC10

Roger_007 wrote: »

Surely you don’t encourage a 14 year old to be spending all his time indulging in that great evil of our time....social media.
What happened to the message of not long ago that social media was ruining our kid’s lives. Was that message wrong?
No wonder kids are confused!

No, we don't. He sees his friends 5 days a week at school. If he wants to communicate with them at the weekend he uses WhatsApp. He actually spends very limited amount of time online.

AlphaDelta1

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quokula

seamus wrote: »

I don't dislike teenagers, and I know they're not stupid.

But they're also inherently selfish and consider themselves invincible.

That's not me sh1tting on teenagers, it's a biological fact. Their brains are less mature and make judgement decisions from different areas of the brain and based on different criteria, than adults do.

They also have parents who should be capable of getting them to behave. If a teenager is caught joyriding or mugging or engaging in other activities that endanger people, we don't just shrug our shoulders and say that's how their brain works so there's no point trying to stop them. Same applies here.

Father Hernandez

paw patrol wrote: »

i was clearing talking about the risk to kids from covid in attending school.
my whole point was related to that schools were the most important.


context matters.

Risks to kids might mean little but the knock on effect can and potentially is massive, context matters more in that sense.

No one is arguing schools are not important but surely there is a better way then there is at present? Rather than it being the elephant in the room and no problems, move on please.

Our Minister for Health came out last week and openly said, schools are safe. I don't believe they are. Do you?

Doctors room ghost

If there is extra restrictions placed on people today and the gaa are allowed to go ahead with league and championship games it goes to highlight the paddywhackery and nonsense that’s going on.
It should be across the board or nothing and I’d be as much a gaa fan as the next lad.

manniot2

SusanC10 wrote: »

Our 14 year old stays at home apart from school and GAA (now finished for the season). He is not allowed out roaming around and he understands why. He keeps in touch with his friends online.

Absolutely your choice but id be very worried about the long term impact of a strategy like this.

AlphaDelta1

SusanC10 wrote: »

Our 14 year old stays at home apart from school and GAA (now finished for the season). He is not allowed out roaming around and he understands why. He keeps in touch with his friends online.

That's because you are a responsible parents and citizen. Unfortunately many many are not and i can absolutely guarantee they are more than likely the same ones blaming the government for everything, or RTE. :rolleyes:

Loafing Oaf

Boggles wrote: »

You are assuming whatever incoherent rambling mess they come up with tonight will last 4 weeks.

I imagine MM will be back on the podium again within a fortnight giving us more "clarity".

Yeah the 4-week thing is infantilising us. Everyone knows the 'lockdown' will last as long as it takes to suppress the virus down to very low levels, and this is extremely unlikely to be achieved within a month.

kilkenny31

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It will be late. Either the 6 o clock news or the 9 o clock news I suspect.



The earlier we lock down the less time we need to be locked down for. The more stuff we can keep open as we lock down. Government policy is schools are last so if we want to keep the schools open we need to shut a lot earlier.

We won't need a lock down. The last time we had proper exponential growth every few days. We had no testing or tracing in place. We had very little measures in place i.e. social distancing etc.

This time the growth in ICU figures has been very much flat. There has been barely no increase in a week. Hospital figures are increasing at a much slower rate which means that the hospitals should be able to cope especially given flu rates are low and it didn't arrive in southern hemisphere.

We have plenty of time to continue to monitor this.

Roger_007

SusanC10 wrote: »

No, we don't. He sees his friends 5 days a week at school. If he wants to communicate with them at the weekend he uses WhatsApp. He actually spends very limited amount of time online.

So if he’s with his friends five days a week at school, that’s OK but if he’s with his friends at the weekend, that’s not OK.
I will need some time to work out the logic at work here!

Widdensushi

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Risks to kids might mean little but the knock on effect can and potentially is massive, context matters more in that sense.

No one is arguing schools are not important but surely there is a better way then there is at present? Rather than it being the elephant in the room and no problems, move on please.

Our Minister for Health came out last week and openly said, schools are safe. I don't believe they are. Do you?

Nothing is safe, we need to educate the people who will be paying for the lockdown though

thelad95

I'm absolutely sick of leaks and soundbites whenever there's an announcement incoming.

The amount of businesses that have opened the doors this morning not knowing whether they'll be able to tomorrow is in the thousands. These people deserve clear, concise messaging.

Also, why come up with what was a clearly defined framework and then mix and match bits every few days?

Business should not be closed again, they have invested thousands in making their premises suitable and cases arising from retail settings is negligible.

Give the Gardaí some proper powers. Advisories do not work.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

If there is extra restrictions placed on people today and the gaa are allowed to go ahead with league and championship games it goes to highlight the paddywhackery and nonsense that’s going on.
It should be across the board or nothing and I’d be as much a gaa fan as the next lad.

Theres two questions here

1. Do we believe elite sport should get an exception.

2. Does GAA count as an elite sport.

My answer for this is only if they can bubble themselves. Gaa have too many contacts as they train with their team the go into work and play matches with other teams.

khalessi

Jizique wrote: »

Very impressive but the reality is that unless they fall into one of five categories namely old folks home employee, meat plant worker, traveller, Roma, or they live in direct provision, the chances of them picking it up were minimal.

Maybe, but they are in schools and there is a problem in rates of transmission in the 15-24 age group, increasing constantly.

rovers_runner

Longing wrote: »

Address to the nation around 9 tonight I reckon but loads of leaks from the usual mob before that.

RoryMac

Benimar wrote: »

Why does it seem that once the issue of schools is raised it becomes an argument of extremes? Whey do people state that the only alternative to not have kids packed into a classroom is to shut schools?

I don't like the idea of full classrooms, like a lot of others on here, but I don't think that it has to be 'all or nothing' as some are making out.

Surely part physical, part online could be at least tried?

The Gov and Dept of Education haven't bothered their holes to plan for teaching online in the last 7 months. It should have been prioritised in March/April.

A lot of schools simply don't have the means to teach online

Mitch Connor

Father Hernandez wrote: »

So the kid either got it at home from a sibling or parent, in the community from neighbours and other people in the school won't be tested.

If the kid is positive on a Sat or Sun, it's a whole diff story. The kid could've got it from school, brought it home, infected the family and it's deemed a family contact rather than anything in the schools.

A nephew of my wife has been tested 3 times since returning to school.

1st time because of his own symptoms.

2nd and 3rd time because a kid in his pod were showing symptoms.

None of them were positive through any test - but he (and the kids in his pod at least) have all been tested as close contacts 2 times minimum (with a third time as the primary or a contact)

Cluedo Monopoly

I don't think there is any need to repost that picture above.