Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Doctor Jimbob

Closing off licences earlier will definitely stop house parties. No chance whatsoever people will buy drink and consume it later. Whoever heard of doing that?

titan18

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

I did too but apperantly it's one of the things they are bringing down, 5km possibly 10

Seems to be one of the least necessary things if you just leave it at county level. I understand it a bit more in sunnier weather as everyone was congregrating in certain outdoor places back in March before it was introduced, but in this sh1te weather, it seems pointless. You're not going to get droves heading to Glendalough, beaches etc

ShayNanigan

I just witnessed yesterday what "15 outdoors" technically means. Yeah, there might have been 15 people, give or take a couple and they were technically outdoors but still inside a tent with walls and plastic windows as the whole outside area was covered (not really a surprise considering the weather). Everyone happily enjoying their evening over dinner and wine warmed by infrared heaters and as you can tell, the volume getting louder as the evening progressed. I do hope all are safe and well but as much as I'd love to help out the local entrepreneurs, I just cannot help finding settings like that a risk and I won't probably dine out until the whole thing calms down, maybe will have to wait for vaccine, don't know. Just a thought, shouldn't the amount of people depend on the size of the serving area outdoors...?

seamus

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1318159276670701569?s=19

If this happens, and they bring in the 5km limit as rumoured, then what is the difference between level 4.5 and 5?

"You see Garda, these are tables outside that we allow members of the pubic to use if they so wish. A public service for weary people.

If they choose to come and get some take away beers and then go sit down at those tables, well there's not much we can do about that...."

Cluedo Monopoly

is_that_so wrote: »

You mean 18th December? You forgot to carry all those "not there yets".

What year are we talking here?

Eod100

Positivity rate seems very high in NI if 800+ of less than 4,000 tests is positive

is_that_so

ShayNanigan wrote: »

I just witnessed yesterday what "15 outdoors" technically means. Yeah, there might have been 15 people, give or take a couple and they were technically outdoors but still inside a tent with walls and plastic windows as the whole outside area was covered (not really a surprise considering the weather). Everyone happily enjoying their evening over dinner and wine warmed by infrared heaters and as you can tell, the volume getting louder as the evening progressed. I do hope all are safe and well but as much as I'd love to help out the local entrepreneurs, I just cannot help finding settings like that a risk and I won't probably dine out until the whole thing calms down, maybe will have to wait for vaccine, don't know. Just a thought, shouldn't the amount of people depend on the size of the serving area outdoors...?

Local café has nice, slightly battered, second-hand furniture inside where it matches the look. Very sad and tacky on the pavement outside though!

Plumbthedepths

Strumms wrote: »

On the other hand, if the health service comes crashing to a halt, because there are not enough well people to staff it ?

No fûcker in the public sector is seeing a pay rise for quite some time, years, private sector either.

Just on the last part of your comment, public sector haved received 2% .
The company I work for is having a great year, one off bonus being paid this month. Annual Christmas bonus being increased and 2.75% pay rise in January not huge but every little helps and all that.
So I guess alot of f**kers I work with will be getting a rise.
It will help lessen the effect of the USC mark ll which is coming.

Boggles

Off Licenses to be closed at 8pm.

I'll go at 7.30pm.

Got round that one pretty quick, what's next?

stephenjmcd

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Closing off licences earlier will definitely stop house parties. No chance whatsoever people will buy drink and consume it later. Whoever heard of doing that?

What ?? Surely people don't go to an off licence during the day and perhaps bring alcohol home to be consumed at a later time. Where would you get such an idea

ShayNanigan

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Closing off licences earlier will definitely stop house parties. No chance whatsoever people will buy drink and consume it later. Whoever heard of doing that?

I don't think it's a problem to have alcohol available in general. People just need to stop having parties. Why does everyone need to meet face to face right now?! Have a drink in front of Skype for all I care. Having a glass with the person you live with is not a problem but why do you all need to socialise so much right now?

I find it strange Gardai have no powers to enforce anything or stop anything from happening unless it's a crime. In many countries disturbing the domestic peace of others by playing loud music and having large groups of people over making noise late at night is actually considered a crime and the police usually first give you a warning and if they have to return again and the same thing still going on, will disperse the crowd and maybe even fine the person running the show. In serious cases there's a short prison sentence involved. But then I always forget we're not talking about the police here.

stephenjmcd

Boggles wrote: »

Off Licenses to be closed at 8pm.

I'll go at 7.30pm.

Got round that one pretty quick, what's next?

5km limit from your home. Oh your going to the off licence and doing your shopping. Fire away. Next?

For all the people that were concerned about NPHET leaking info (I have my doubts...), have you noticed how we have been constantly drip fed info yesterday and today when only the government have been talking with no NPHET involvement at all.

Journalists may as well be present at these meetings given how much info is getting out.

AlphaDelta1

titan18 wrote: »

Seems to be one of the least necessary things if you just leave it at county level. I understand it a bit more in sunnier weather as everyone was congregrating in certain outdoor places back in March before it was introduced, but in this sh1te weather, it seems pointless. You're not going to get droves heading to Glendalough, beaches etc

Completely pointless and self defeating actually. They are standing on roads slowing people down going from A to B yet in a couple of weeks time they'll be needed to control massive crowds at bonfires where people are gathering and drinking and will be nowhere to be seen.

Polar101

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

I did too but apperantly it's one of the things they are bringing down, 5km possibly 10

For me the "stay within your county" actually means I have to travel longer distances than normally, I live on a county border and I'd often go shopping in the next town - which is in another county, but very close.

5km/10km doesn't sound great for rural areas, but then again isn't that for excercise only?

Doctor Jimbob

From the meeting where restrictions are being decided:

titan18

I understand their reasoning for the off license earlier closure as you have NI at 8, but does seem to be lacking common sense. I'd think itd be better to have purchase limits to stop house parties. Again, you can get around it by going to multiple off licenses or the same one multiple times but definitely a lot more of a pain to get around that you might not bother

AlphaDelta1

Honestly i'd have more respect for the government if they just came out and said "look we got it wrong and should have gone with NPHET's advice a few weeks ago". We fcuked up, let's do better next time.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

For all the people that were concerned about NPHET leaking info (I have my doubts...),

Yeah we know, It's Leo.

Speaking of Leo, some media reporting he is one going for the more restrictive "lockdown" during the discussions.

Wonder why that is?

Doctor Jimbob

titan18 wrote: »

I understand their reasoning for the off license earlier closure as you have NI at 8, but does seem to be lacking common sense. I'd think itd be better to have purchase limits to stop house parties. Again, you can get around it by going to multiple off licenses or the same one multiple times but definitely a lot more of a pain to get around that you might not bother

Or they could just clamp down on house parties and stop imposing nonsense restrictions on those of us not being inconsiderate eejits.

is_that_so

Gyms being discussed according to this.

https://twitter.com/John_Kavanagh/status/1318165463671734274

Plumbthedepths

Stheno wrote: »

So four weeks from Wednesday would be November 18th

Do you really believe it will be four weeks?

seamus

ShayNanigan wrote: »

I don't think it's a problem to have alcohol available in general. People just need to stop having parties. Why does everyone need to meet face to face right now?! Have a drink in front of Skype for all I care. Having a glass with the person you live with is not a problem but why do you all need to socialise so much right now?

Humans are social animals. It's one of the core pillars of our nature.
If you're a severe introvert you probably underestimate just how difficult it is for the majority of others to go weeks without face to face interaction with a loved one. People heavily on the extravert side struggle to be alone for more than a couple of days.

Plumbthedepths

titan18 wrote: »

I understand their reasoning for the off license earlier closure as you have NI at 8, but does seem to be lacking common sense. I'd think itd be better to have purchase limits to stop house parties. Again, you can get around it by going to multiple off licenses or the same one multiple times but definitely a lot more of a pain to get around that you might not bother

Or everyone going brings a few beers, which is pretty much what happens.

CruelSummer

titan18 wrote: »

Seems to be one of the least necessary things if you just leave it at county level. I understand it a bit more in sunnier weather as everyone was congregrating in certain outdoor places back in March before it was introduced, but in this sh1te weather, it seems pointless. You're not going to get droves heading to Glendalough, beaches etc

It’s unnecessarily restrictive. Some of the measures they’re introducing don’t seem to be about stopping Covid spreading - just restricting our daily lives, putting thousands on the PUP and closing many businesses that may never reopen. 10km limit in the Winter is far too draconian. If gyms close, how would people find ways to exercise if they’re hindered from finding outdoor amenities outside the 10k zone, many outside of Dublin would be.
I was willing to support level 3 with proper enforcement. However I think the government have gotten this wrong proceeding straight to level 4/5 and being the first in Europe to do so.

is_that_so

seamus wrote: »

Humans are social animals. It's one of the core pillars of our nature.
If you're a severe introvert you probably underestimate just how difficult it is for the majority of others to go weeks without face to face interaction with a loved one. People heavily on the extravert side struggle to be alone for more than a couple of days.

It doesn't have to be a loved one, just physical interaction itself with a stranger is a rush during this.

Maxpfizer

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What ?? Surely people don't go to an off licence during the day and perhaps bring alcohol home to be confused at a later time. Where would you get such an idea

Let's just hope nobody comes up with a mad idea like having a "movie night" or "pizza night" or "games night" and just not bothering with drink at all!

stephenjmcd

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Or everyone going brings a few beers, which is pretty much what happens.

Yup don't think I've been at a house party in a long time where you didn't bring your own.

polesheep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What ?? Surely people don't go to an off licence during the day and perhaps bring alcohol home to be confused at a later time. Where would you get such an idea

I do that all the time:D

washman3

owlbethere wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/56-covid-19-cases-linked-to-man-who-failed-to-isolate-after-trip-abroad-1021154.html

I think this was mentioned earlier.

Why is our government so slow to implement fines for people like this? Fines up to 10,000 euro would get many people to comply with the guidelines. I know it might seem hefty and if someone doesn't have that money, the money can be taken at source from income.

The government is quick enough to shut down businesses to control the spread of the virus but they allow a free pass for people like this and it it people who flaunt the guidelines and isolation breakers who are contributing to the rising cases where businesses are shut. None of this makes sense.

Surely the government doesn't have a leg to stand on if they are implementing more restrictions on businesses while they allow isolation breakers a free pass.

This is a bull**** story that never happened...!!!
Seems like you would like to implement North Korea style law in this country.