Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

JP100

Stheno wrote: »

Dublin has stabilised though probably at too high numbers

The trend needs to be meaningfuly reversed which is simply not happening in Dublin.

shinzon

Its looking more and more likely that you could have level 1 million where your told to dig a bunker in your garden and stay there for 2 years and you will still have the knuckle draggers and the tin foil hatters and the virus deniers freely ****ing it up for everyone else.

Unless the government unshackles the Gardai and give them real enforcement powers to actually fine and shut **** down then there really is no point in restrictions.

Shin

political analyst

This is from a recently-closed thread.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114909359

"Akabusi" said:

In one instance of the radiographers got it from a patient who was incorrectly classed as negative they then brought it home to their family. My local creche is closed tomorrow due to a pre-school child testing positive. Several kids who had brothers on the Corsserlough team now out of school. Both Ballinagh and Crosserlough teams went drinking together in Denn last Monday. It is rife around the locality at the moment. Cavan needs a lock down immediately with the schools closed, it will save a lot of people.

If the radiographer was wearing PPE, maintained distancing and washed his or her hands, then how did he or she catch the virus from the patient incorrectly classed as negative?

is_that_so

Sonny678 wrote: »

When cases exploded in meat factories it was headline news. When it happens in schools its not being mentioned in the same way. There is no proper open discussion in the media regards schools.

It hasn't exploded in schools. You can read how they approach it on the HSE website, it's on a case by case basis.

Gael23

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Still no exponential increase in deaths. How are the hospital statistics today?

Very obvious that there is no stopping this virus from spreading in a democratic state.

Hospital numbers are stable with a small decrease

seamus

Stheno wrote: »

Dublin has stabilised though probably at too high numbers

It's a reasonable hypothesis made earlier on in the thread that Dublin's numbers are being dragged upwards by the rest of the country and the sheer volume of people travelling in and out of the capital. There was a solid dip in Dublin's numbers, but the trend reversed once we saw the numbers elsewhere start to go out of control.

I'd be inclined to stick with the countrywide level 3 for another week or so to confirm number are still increasing, before doing anything else.

Sonny678

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You honestly cannot say the media is ignoring schools, we see cases in the news everyday.

But compare to how the outbreak in meat factories were headline news. There is no scrutiny whats going on in schools, there is no open proper discussion in the media, the numbers are mentioned in passing, given the impression everything is grand is schools. Given the false impression there is no issues in schools. This is not the reality about what is going on down on ground level in schools.

KrustyUCC

Dempo1 wrote: »

Level 3 hasn't done much for Meath or Cork for that matter, today's numbers not persuading me Level 3 has made the slightest difference and Dublin as bad as ever incidentally

Level three couldn't work that quickly

Cases your seeing now were seeded before level three was brought in

Seamai

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1316121116780486670?s=20

I'm aware of secondary school in Cork where there was a recent case but it's not on that list so I'm guessing it's not comprehensive.

is_that_so

JP100 wrote: »

The trend needs to be meaningfuly reversed which is simply not happening in Dublin.

This is only Day 7 of the enhanced Level 3, not to be confused with the previously slack Level 3.

gmisk

Gael23 wrote: »

Hospital numbers are stable with a small decrease

Today maybe?
But hospital numbers and the numbers in ICU have been slowly increasing for a while now no?

JP100

mloc123 wrote: »

Absolutely nothing? Doesn't go to shops, does nothing? Gets up.. goes to school, comes home and lives alone? Sits in the house all weekend and goes nowhere? Absolutely nothing?

Yes, that is the existence for alot of people nowadays. In terms of shopping, if you live in a household with a person who is high risk, quite often groceries are delivered.

Goldengirl

Drumpot wrote: »

I have a friend who is a teacher who has been tested, waiting results and does absolutely nothing outside of school. If they got it, they got it from the school.

Not just that, there is no notifications to children or parents or teachers with regards to testing. He actually said a parent came up to him last week to say "oh Johnny was tested, just wanted to let you know they were negative" . He said nobody told him Johnny was even being tested or awaiting results. There really is a sense that there is total efforts to suppress anything that even hints that schools maybe be a problem.

I am not singling out schools as "THE" problem, but there is alot of questions over the manner in which schools are being shielded from scrutiny.

But Norma was paraded out again to say " nothing to see here" and that schools wouldn't be closing.
I don't want them to close, if I'm being honest, but blended learning and more stringent test and trace needs to be brought in, and recognition that it is spreading in schools as everywhere else where people are gathering.
Kids are people too! Lol

JP100

is_that_so wrote: »

This is only Day 7 of the enhanced Level 3, not to be confused with the previously slack Level 3.

The above is something like Stephen Donnelly would come out with. Come back on here in a week or so and I think you'll have no choice but to sing a very different tune.

Sonny678

mloc123 wrote: »

At 1000 cases a day I don't think the media can start listing every company, shop, cafe, school, sports club etc... That has had a cluster.

No they cannot. But an important area like schools need scrutiny, and we are not getting any scrutiny on schools. Again compare to how Meat factories were headline news and schools are mentioned in passing. There is issues developing nationwide in schools. And parents deserve to be told that. If you look at media reporting you would get the impression everything is horky dory in schools. This is far from the truth. Just tell the truth say whats happenning in schools. But that is not happening.

mloc123

JP100 wrote: »

Yes, that is the existence for alot of people nowadays. In terms of shopping, if you live in a household with a person who is high risk, quite often groceries are delivered.

That is fair enough.. reason I ask is I know a few people that claim to have done "nothing" in the past few months... Well apart from visiting the odd friend, a night away here.. a day out there etc...

So, when I see somebody say they have done nothing.. I always like to see their definition of nothing.

is_that_so

JP100 wrote: »

The above is something like Stephen Donnelly would come out with. Come back on here in a week or so and I think you'll have no choice but to sing a very different tune.

Oooh, look at you!:D

Chivito550

Hearing every day for 6 months that next 2 weeks are critical in fight against COVID-19 is a bit like a football manager telling his team before every match that this is the biggest game of the season. Say the same thing all the time and it just becomes meaningless white noise.

s1ippy

https://twitter.com/Antcon7062/status/1316134002613420032?s=20

Yes, schools are driving the covid surge.

also

Bruce College in Cork are trialing the antigen tests.

In its ‘Living with Covid’ guidance, the government says rather than closing schools and creches en masse, it may be possible to confine outbreaks “using robust and rapid testing, contact tracing, and isolation.”

But many schools already struggle with substitution issues , and delays in accessing tests and results can cause serious disruption to a school.

Seamai wrote: »

I'm aware of secondary school in Cork where there was a recent case but it's not on that list so I'm guessing it's not comprehensive.

No, it's managed by a group of parents. Submit the case if you have evidence and they'll verify it. I've found all of the cases I've been made aware of to date.

hmmm

I don't see how shutting down retail is going to have much influence in reducing spread. The calls for "Level 5" are easy to make, not so easy when you consider the implications on those it affects. If the problem really is socialisation between households, we need curfews and police checkpoints in residential areas.

frank8211

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And Meath too but given it's location to Dublin so near is it expected

Its more to be expected because their football games are great

SCOOP 64

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You honestly cannot say the media is ignoring schools, we see cases in the news everyday.

Don't remember seeing on the TV news.

BringBackMick

Everything is okay

The mighty Stephen Kenny is in charge of Ireland now

He has brought us elimination from the EUROs, no goals, no wins, 2 draws and a defeat

Blondini

Sonny678 wrote: »

No they cannot. But an important area like schools need scrutiny, and we are not getting any scrutiny on schools. Again compare to how Meat factories were headline news and schools are mentioned in passing. There is issues developing nationwide in schools. And parents deserve to be told that. If you look at media reporting you would get the impression everything is horky dory in schools. This is far from the truth. Just tell the truth say whats happenning in schools. But that is not happening.

Correct.

Intelligent people know it's the schools. It's so obvious it's hilarious. Stevie Wonder can see it's the freakin schools.

Some people here weirdly don't want it to be the schools so much that they will argue until you can feel their venom and spittle through the screen.

In summary, it's the schools.

The schools.

Always_Running

BringBackMick wrote: »

Everything is okay

The mighty Stephen Kenny is in charge of Ireland now

He has brought us elimination from the EUROs, no goals, no wins, 2 draws and a defeat

Reminds me of the Steve Staunton era.

Father Hernandez

It's no coincidence that cases have been on the up after they opened the schools again.

What happens when little Johnny gets the virus and is asymptomatic and brings it home with no symptons. Passes it onto the family, they get tested positive, little Johnny gets tested positive and it gets put down as a family contact.

The schools reopening were a major part of this government stance rightly or wrongly and IMO will do anything to make sure schools aren't linked. I'm not saying close them but at least realise, if we're going to live with this virus that cases will rise like they have done.

JP Liz V1

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I see no point in increasing Levels . They could increase to Level 904 and still the same eejits wont comply
What they need is ENFORCEMENT of a level .

I thought spot fines were passed

AlphaDelta1

Sonny678 wrote: »

5 teachers in kildare school have the coronavirus. 6 teachers in Westmeath school have the coronavirus. Media again ignoring whats going on in schools.

Nobody seen this coming, literally nobody.

is_that_so

Blondini wrote: »

Correct.

Intelligent people know it's the schools. It's so obvious it's hilarious. Stevie Wonder can see it's the freakin schools.

Some people here weirdly don't want it to be the schools so much that they will argue until you can feel their venom and spittle through the screen.

In summary, it's the schools.

The schools.

Here's Norma to say No! (with data)

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-open-2-5233372-Oct2020/

mloc123

Blondini wrote: »

Correct.

Intelligent people know it's the schools. It's so obvious it's hilarious. Stevie Wonder can see it's the freakin schools.

Some people here weirdly don't want it to be the schools so much that they will argue until you can feel their venom and spittle through the screen.

In summary, it's the schools.

The schools.

And yet you never provide any data... My maths teachers in school always said "show your work"... You guys don't do this anymore?