Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

wirelessdude01

Seamai wrote: »

I'm aware of secondary school in Cork where there was a recent case but it's not on that list so I'm guessing it's not comprehensive.

Cases also in my school and not included on that list.

Necro

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see how shutting down retail is going to have much influence in reducing spread. The calls for "Level 5" are easy to make, not so easy when you consider the implications on those it affects. If the problem really is socialisation between households, we need curfews and police checkpoints in residential areas.

We don't have that sort of policing here unfortunately. Look at the trepidation about bringing in fines, even our neighbours in the UK brought in on the spot fines for breaking restrictions.

France have declared a state of emergency tonight, you just know enforcement will be massively ramped up there.

Spain are well known for having strong enforcement measures.

Policing here for minor matters follows our own national 'ah shure it'll be grand' attitude.

This isn't a minor matter anymore though, we're knee deep in sh1te and continue to dig down instead of fighting out of it.

Blondini

mloc123 wrote: »

And yet you never provide any data... My maths teachers in school always said "show your work"... You guys don't do this anymore?

* Wipes away spittle...

titan18

State of emergency declared in France it seems. Apparently a curfew from 9pm to be imposed, although Macron hasn't made his speech yet

s1ippy

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's Norma to say No!

https://www.thejournal.ie/schools-open-2-5233372-Oct2020/

If all the available evidence shows it, why don't they make all the evidence available?

None of the evidence they supposedly have is being made available, hence why the general public are so sure that they're lying outright.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Cases also in my school and not included on that list.

It's up to the pubic to submit them, they just verify them. If nobody submits then, they won't be known about.

siblers

For people who get tested for Covid who have symptons, do their results get processed quicker or is it still the 24 HR wait?

mloc123

Blondini wrote: »

* Wipes away spittle...

Good man, you got the answer from the back of the book again?

frank8211

weldoninhio wrote: »

How many of them died?

A few may be getting there I believe In Cavan

Akabusi

political analyst wrote: »

This is from a recently-closed thread.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114909359

"Akabusi" said:



If the radiographer was wearing PPE, maintained distancing and washed his or her hands, then how did he or she catch the virus from the patient incorrectly classed as negative?

I don't work in the hospital but know the radiographer and that is what i heard from a relation of theirs. Another story going around is that some of the staff were involved with one of the GAA clubs and and brought it in from the county final celebrations

Blondini

mloc123 wrote: »

Good man, you got the answer from the back of the book again?

Book?

What's this, 1986?

Drop it.

fly_agaric

Noticed they are at > 100 k tests a week day now and % positive is going up quite a lot in recent days (6 % now, think it was 2-3 % only a week or so ago).

Wonder if new cases will begin exceeding the number where they can track course of the virus (i.e. "real" numbers of new cases will be somewhat larger than what is revealed by the testing)?

Knine

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Some happened only last weekend.

Can take 14 days to get symptoms.

Think of the spread during those 14 days.

The average is 5 days

lulublue22

mloc123 wrote: »

Absolutely nothing? Doesn't go to shops, does nothing? Gets up.. goes to school, comes home and lives alone? Sits in the house all weekend and goes nowhere? Absolutely nothing?

When you have a vulnerable person at home you really don’t have much choice. You can’t limit your contacts in school - you are interacting with high numbers of children daily who you have no idea where or what they have done for the weekend or after school. There was still talks of Hallowe’en parties in school today despite the current restrictions. I think having schools open has allowed a lot of people to think there is some form of normality. When you can’t limit your interactions at work you have to limit them elsewhere.

is_that_so

s1ippy wrote: »

If all the available evidence shows it, why don't they make all the evidence available?

None of the evidence they supposedly have is being made available, hence why the general public are so sure that they're lying outright.

I don't know where the public are looking for it but I've read most of the data about schools in that piece before. Glynn mentioned it last week again. Henry has too and they will provide it if asked but I don't know if it's published in any specific location.

Necro

siblers wrote: »

For people who get tested for Covid who have symptons, do their results get processed quicker or is it still the 24 HR wait?

Same as normal. Though my mate said he was a healthcare worker and got his results the following morning.

mloc123

Blondini wrote: »

Book?

What's this, 1986?

Drop it.

Drop what? You must be a very poor maths teacher. Don't worry about data... Just base your answers on gut feeling kids...

Jenna James

Neighbour’s daughter (primary school) tested negative last week but her mother said her teacher is very ill with it.

Bunny Colvin

The above figures showing that schools have mainly one case each is utter nonsense. You can bet the house that the virus is rampant in a lot of schools across the country. The only thing that is cushioning the stats is that they're not testing like that are in other settings, the majority of people in the classroom with a positive case are not deemed a close contact.

I'm of the opinion that it's for the greater good that schools remain open but there's no point in burying our heads in the sand either. You also have to think of the pupils family members, teachers and their families, and other members of staff.

What's the point of everyone doing their best to live within the restrictions when the virus is spreading with impunity through the community due to the schools? That's what the government should be asking themselves.

Goldengirl

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see how shutting down retail is going to have much influence in reducing spread. The calls for "Level 5" are easy to make, not so easy when you consider the implications on those it affects. If the problem really is socialisation between households, we need curfews and police checkpoints in residential areas.

I don't disagree with you, but which do you think is easier for them to do?

Str8outtaWuhan

lulublue22 wrote: »

When you have a vulnerable person at home you really don’t have much choice. You can’t limit your contacts in school - you are interacting with high numbers of children daily who you have no idea where or what they have done for the weekend or after school. There was still talks of Hallowe’en parties in school today despite the current restrictions. I think having schools open has allowed a lot of people to think there is some form of normality. When you can’t limit your interactions at work you have to limit them elsewhere.

Level 3 allows for trick or treating , as Leo says, Tony et al are there to advise to gov, not the public.

Blondini

mloc123 wrote: »

Drop what? You must be a very poor maths teacher. Don't worry about data... Just base your answers on gut feeling kids...

If you have to resort to that nonsense, it says it all. Good luck.

frank8211

Akabusi wrote: »

I don't work in the hospital but know the radiographer and that is what i heard from a relation of theirs. Another story going around is that some of the staff were involved with one of the GAA clubs and and brought it in from the county final celebrations

Yes and a link with ataff of Dublin hospital and one of the county final teams is strongly rumoured

Jimi H

My Dad is in a nursing home. They have been absolutely fantastic and have been taking every precaution. They rang this evening devastated. Their first positive case was confirmed earlier. With widespread community transmission, it is almost impossible to stop the spread to our most vulnerable.

Necro

s1ippy wrote: »

If all the available evidence shows it, why don't they make all the evidence available?

None of the evidence they supposedly have is being made available, hence why the general public are so sure that they're lying outright.



It's up to the pubic to submit them, they just verify them. If nobody submits then, they won't be known about.

My wife told both the national school and the creche about my own test result.

Principal was fantastic, he got my kid set up for online learning that day.

Told her there was nothing they could do in the school itself though until the HSE notified them.

AdamD

Necro wrote: »

We don't have that sort of policing here unfortunately. Look at the trepidation about bringing in fines, even our neighbours in the UK brought in on the spot fines for breaking restrictions.

France have declared a state of emergency tonight, you just know enforcement will be massively ramped up there.

Spain are well known for having strong enforcement measures.

Policing here for minor matters follows our own national 'ah shure it'll be grand' attitude.

This isn't a minor matter anymore though, we're knee deep in sh1te and continue to dig down instead of fighting out of it.

Fortunately in my opinion. I don't want us to give up our rights in order to feel slightly safer for a few months. Some may disagree but I think curfews is utter madness.

And looking at France and Spain - enforcement isn't helping them to much so I wouldn't be aspiring to it.

rovers_runner

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

The above figures showing that schools have mainly one case each is utter nonsense. You can bet the house that the virus is rampant in a lot of schools across the country. The only thing that is cushioning the stats is that they're not testing like that are in other settings, the majority of people in the classroom with a positive case are not deemed a close contact.

I'm of the opinion that it's for the greater good that schools remain open but there's no point in burying our heads in the sand either. You also have to think of the pupils family members, teachers and their families, and other members of staff.

What's the point of everyone doing their best to live within the restrictions when the virus is spreading with impunity through the community due to the schools? That's what the government should be asking themselves.

I can tell you with certainty you are wrong on the close contact point, for booking testing anyhow.

Whether they relate the results afterwards is another question.

Stheno

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't disagree with you, but which do you think is easier for them to do?

They need to make the difficult choices imo

seamus

Blondini wrote: »

Correct.

Intelligent people know it's the schools. It's so obvious it's hilarious. Stevie Wonder can see it's the freakin schools.

Some people here weirdly don't want it to be the schools so much that they will argue until you can feel their venom and spittle through the screen.

In summary, it's the schools.

The schools.

Alright then genius. You get your wish. The schools are closed tomorrow.
840,000 kids aged 4-18 have nowhere to go tomorrow, and their parents still have to work.

In addition, 300,000 college students and teachers, 90% of them under 30, also have nothing to do.

What do you think is going to happen next? Will they all be packed in styrofoam boxes so they can't spread disease?

Necro

AdamD wrote: »

Fortunately in my opinion. I don't want us to give up our rights in order to feel slightly safer for a few months. Some may disagree but I think curfews is utter madness.

And looking at France and Spain - enforcement isn't helping them to much so I wouldn't be aspiring to it.

Never going to happen in Ireland anyways. We don't have the policing numbers even if there was massive appetite for it.

*Not really for it myself either admittedly.

Bunny Colvin

rovers_runner wrote: »

I can tell you with certainty you are wrong on the close contact point, for booking testing anyhow.

Whether they relate the results afterwards is another question.

I know of a girl who tested positive, two other kids were deemed close contact. Just two. Tell me what other setting where that would be allowed to happen?