Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Funsterdelux

A good read if one is unsure on airbourne transmission.

The coronavirus is airborne -- what that means for you

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't forget the real enemy: the pubs. You know that wildly dangerous environment with a handful of people having a socially distanced pint. Put thousands permanently out of work over a miniscule threat, that will fix things proper.

The double-standards are a disgrace.

I know, the pubs and other places of socialising have been closed for months. So it's not them.

Is it Public Transport? I dunno. Does anyone with the power to shut things down or keep things open actually know either, any research from them?

But schools are verboten. Don't mention the war/truth.

Gods Gift

manniot2 wrote: »

47 people associated with moycullen gaa have it apparently

All got a drink out of the cup. Obviously.

caveat emptor

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know, the pubs and other places of socialising have been closed for months. So it's not them.

Is it Public Transport? I dunno. Does anyone with the power to shut things down or keep things open actually know either, any research from them?

But schools are verboten. Don't mention the war/truth.

Could ask a deity? You might not like the answer though. :pac:

Funsterdelux

Gods Gift wrote: »

All got a drink out of the cup. Obviously.

Too much red lemonade and not enough vodka in it to kill the virus

Gods Gift

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Too much red lemonade and not enough vodka in it to kill the virus

Back washing.

mikeoc85

niallo27 wrote: »

Unless they were organising the parties afterwards, I'm not sure how you can blame them. Did many infections happen during matches or training.

Two separate outbreaks in the league of Ireland, and that’s with no proper testing. Both cases were identified because players were displaying symptoms.

Is there a need for teams to be travelling around the country at this time?

maebee

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Schools. Can't mention them, we are being propagandised and brainwashed now.

Some can cite house parties, GAA gatherings and so on, but on a comparison basis, there are thousands of kids of all ages in school, all together in close enough quarters, along with their teachers all day, five days a week, and add in the drop off and pick ups. I am not one bit convinced that cohort is not a big vector for this uptick.

Happy to be told off.

I drove past 3 schools today, at home time for them. All were thronged with parents/minders/collectors, all in groups, with no social distancing and very few were wearing masks. One of these schools (primary) closed a classroom on Monday as a young child tested positive. The other school I passed, similar story but to a lesser extent, as it's a secondary school, closed its Leaving Cert classrooms on Monday having notified parents on Sunday night that a few 6th year students had tested positive. Heard that this was related to an 18th birthday party.

I was all for schools staying open but there comes a time when the powers that be will realise that school kids have respiratory systems just like the rest of us.

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

I've got a radical theory: The government can't afford to shut down the schools. If they close again, the notion of teachers taking a necessary paycut would lead to the unions throwing the toys out and holding a national ransom. Imagine getting a full salary for months of idleness. No, me neither. I had to bite the bullet like hundreds of thousands of others and sign on. Some public servants are just untouchable.

Well to be fair, the teachers went back into the lion's den in September and I don't recall much Union resistance to exposure to the virus either at that time.

But I agree that NOW things are a bit different. You are right, I think the fact that schools are not being mentioned as vectors is to keep the parents at work.

The teachers need kudos really. I wouldn't be in an environment with snotty kids all day 5 days a week myself currently anyway.

There has to be a connection, but it is being suppressed big time IMO.

KnowingWind

When are the next lockdowns.

manofwisdom

political analyst wrote: »

Couldn't Ireland have done without Gaelic games for just 1 year?!

Sure, Britain did without the Wimbledon championship and made many other sacrifices, e.g. cancellation of World War 2 victory commemorations.

You'll have to ask the government on that 1 whom are keen to allow it continue and have given some different guidelines to Inter County teams than the rest of us. Other sports are going ahead in Britain not sure why they didn't allow Wimbledon behind closed doors?

@Stheno 2 teams in the match and 1 team having a bite to eat in their own county afterwards.

manniot2

KnowingWind wrote: »

When are the next lockdowns.

level 4 this week, level 5 in a few weeks. if only hibernation was an option.

caveat emptor

Politicians pleading for funding in the north and warning of hospital in derry being overwhelmed.

https://twitter.com/columeastwood/status/1316058470815272960?s=20

mountgomery burns

If there was no sport (and I include other team sports in that), what would all the adults that play them have done since the start of July?

You're seeing some cases now associated with after parties posr finals etc but the sport occupies people and makes it less likely that they are congregating in unregulated indoor settings such as parties.

Onfield transmission clearly isn't an issue. How many matches have been played since July? The total accumulation from that time would be several million people (as in the same few 100k people multiple times in different games), so there was even a moderate risk of its spread we'd surely have seen massive caseload associated with it.

I'm defending the GAA here but I would make the same point for outdoor sports generally.

Arghus

copeyhagen wrote: »

WHO Envoy: "I want to say it again: We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as a primary means of controlling this virus,' Dr Nabarro said.'This is a terrible, ghastly global catastrophe, actually. And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it."

Boards.ie pro lockdown brigade: "we need level 5 now, please God give us level 5"

I've never seen a man's quotes so completely misinterpreted as Dr. Nabarro's have been in this thread.

He's saying that lockdown's should not be your primary measure used to control the virus. Which is exactly right. Tony Holohan agreed with him 100% on this in the press briefing about this when asked directly about these quotes.

His point is you must exhaust other options first or invest in a proper infrastructure to keep outbreaks under control and that there also has to be buy in from the public to try to make measures work.

We have tried this. We've had months of eased restrictions, a testing and trace system - a huge logistical operation - has been built from scratch basically inside 6 months and the government and health authorities have tried, incessently, to get people to buy into why we're actually doing this. You can critique the results achieved of a lot of this, but there's no doubt that effort has been made to avoid another lockdown. There's been a lot of things tried, with admittedly varying results, before lockdown has been considered. Lockdown hasn't been used as the immediate first response.

Dr. Nabarro also said, in the same interview, that there is a place for lockdown. He wasn't claiming that they should never ever be used. He specifically said they should be used when you need to reorganise and regroup, which is basically where we are at the moment. We're perilously close of completely losing control of the outbreak, if we're not already there. Okay, lockdown shouldn't be your first option but there is a point where it has to be considered if there's no other option and consideration aside from just brutally getting the numbers under control. There's no contradiction in believing that lockdowns should be avoided as far as possible and all other potential measures considered first, but also recognising that there is, sadly, a point where they become necessary.

Fr_Dougal

Sounds pretty bad over in Clare, media is not reporting what’s really going on. I read that there are bodies lying all over the roads and food shortages have led to cannibalism.

Poorside

mountgomery burns wrote: »

If there was no sport (and I include other team sports in that), what would all the adults that play them have done since the start of July?

You're seeing some cases now associated with after parties posr finals etc but the sport occupies people and makes it less likely that they are congregating in unregulated indoor settings such as parties.

Onfield transmission clearly isn't an issue. How many matches have been played since July? The total accumulation from that time would be several million people (as in the same few 100k people multiple times in different games), so there was even a moderate risk of its spread we'd surely have seen massive caseload associated with it.

I'm defending the GAA here but I would make the same point for outdoor sports generally.

They would have not been in close proximity to each other for a start, and they are adults, they could surely pass time without having to go out and play with each other.

WoollyRedHat

We, with the help of the EU, should offer to give money to Stormont to help, on the condition they agree to a cross-island approach. No more time for divisions and waiting for UK to provide direction.

Fuascailteoir

mountgomery burns wrote: »

If there was no sport (and I include other team sports in that), what would all the adults that play them have done since the start of July?

You're seeing some cases now associated with after parties posr finals etc but the sport occupies people and makes it less likely that they are congregating in unregulated indoor settings such as parties.

Onfield transmission clearly isn't an issue. How many matches have been played since July? The total accumulation from that time would be several million people (as in the same few 100k people multiple times in different games), so there was even a moderate risk of its spread we'd surely have seen massive caseload associated with it.

I'm defending the GAA here but I would make the same point for outdoor sports generally.

The after parties are causing large surges in counties now and the chances are that they will result in harsher lockdowns and further damage to the economy.

Jack1985

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We should offer to give money to Stormont to help, on the condition they agree to a cross-island approach. No more time for divisions.

Give me a shout when the DUP stop screaming after reading that.

Goldrickssan

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Sounds pretty bad over in Clare, media is not reporting what’s really going on. I read that there are bodies lying all over the roads and food shortages have led to cannibalism.

That's normal Clare people behavior

SEPT 23 1989

Now now

The powers that be told parents that they were morons to think this sickness wouldn't arrive in homes in late September like every other dose going does every year

Russman

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well to be fair, the teachers went back into the lion's den in September and I don't recall much Union resistance to exposure to the virus either at that time.

But I agree that NOW things are a bit different. You are right, I think the fact that schools are not being mentioned as vectors is to keep the parents at work.

The teachers need kudos really. I wouldn't be in an environment with snotty kids all day 5 days a week myself currently anyway.

There has to be a connection, but it is being suppressed big time IMO.

Totally agree there’s a connection, but people becoming lax is also a huge part.

I was in 3 businesses today - first, had to get tyres for the car, not one person wearing a mask out of maybe 6 employees. Second, in a garage to get petrol, all staff wearing masks and limiting numbers entering the shop and making people queue outside, fair play. Third, getting a take away this evening - nobody wearing a mask, no sneeze screens, nothing. So that’s two out of three businesses with no masks. I had cause to be in both a few months ago and everyone had masks on back then.

Fr_Dougal

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We, with the help of the EU, should offer to give money to Stormont to help, on the condition they agree to a cross-island approach. No more time for divisions and waiting for UK to provide direction.

We already pump millions into it.

WoollyRedHat

Jack1985 wrote: »

Give me a shout when the DUP stop screaming after reading that.

If things go south, and DUP refuse offer of help, they will rue the day.

I Am The Law

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Sounds pretty bad over in Clare, media is not reporting what’s really going on. I read that there are bodies lying all over the roads and food shortages have led to cannibalism.

And now they have to contend with the Covid.

Andrewf20

Chomsky did a fascinating documentary called the manufacture of consent and when I listen to Nphet or RTE and cant help but think about Chomskys views about how the narrative is set in stone to a large extent in the media. I just cant figure out whos pulling the strings in the background (if any). Im guessing though that the fear for them is an overwhelmed hospital service this winter more than anything.

Have RTE or Nphet ever mentioned David Nabarros comments about using lockdown as a last resort, or the big question over the accuracy of PCR testing etc...

Heres a quick summary:

440Hertz

Jack1985 wrote: »

Give me a shout when the DUP stop screaming after reading that.

The DUP just want everyone in Northern Ireland to be able to get COVID-19 at the same high rate as the worst infected parts of Her Majesty’s realm and how dare anyone suggest otherwise!

screamer

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We, with the help of the EU, should offer to give money to Stormont to help, on the condition they agree to a cross-island approach. No more time for divisions and waiting for UK to provide direction.

It might be a wake up call for the unionists to realise that the mainland don’t in fact, give a flying fvck about them.
Whether we should help? Jury is out on that one, we’ll be in surge ourselves in the next few weeks and we’re also broke as it is.

WoollyRedHat

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

We already pump millions into it.

Do we, do you have breakdown/ link?