Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog

Gael23 wrote: »

Hospital figures reduced by 6 this morning

This has not been updated yet?

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

ACitizenErased

Gael23 wrote: »

Hospital figures reduced by 6 this morning

Wednesday tends to be the main discharge day

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

For now, but why are they closing schools at all?

Northern Ireland has a current case rate of nearly 3 times ours. They are currently at the equivalent of 2,500 cases a day in the south and have 15% +positives. They also have very poor compliance relative to south of the border

Sofa King Great

polesheep wrote: »

They'll find other ways to party. To continue as though you either have or can, get that social section onboard, is akin to the charge of the Light Brigade - a hopeless cause. As I said, the strategy has to evolve. We're not seeing any thinking outside of the box.

The big problem here is that we are accepting the idea that young people have "moved on" and aren't willing to accept the restrictions. People talk about young people and college students as though they are children. It's time people realised that they are adults and have a social responsibility to adhere to the regulations just like everyone else.

People are quick enough to point to their rights but how about we start to also focus on their responsibilities

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Strange isn't it, i mean we all know schools are covid free as there's nothing ever on the news about them.

Who has ever said schools are covid free? Just that schools reflect society

Plumbthedepths

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Strange isn't it, i mean we all know schools are covid free as there's nothing ever on the news about them.

There is plenty of schools with cases, how do we know? Because its in the media.

Away With The Fairies

Necro wrote: »

Contact tracing is a bit of a mess alright.

They finally rang me yesterday so I gave them my close contacts. Didn't want to know about where I might have picked it up, only the 48hrs prior to my first symptoms.

So that meant my family and my workplace. Further call from public health nurse in Letterkenny, asking about distancing etc in the workplace, layout of desks and canteen etc. which is all done very well.

Chatting my manager then a few hours later, she got the call and was told nobody at work was being treated as a close contact as distancing was correct.

Yet... a number of staff got pinged by the Covid App and were already out being tested/isolating as a result of that.

Which makes the whole thing a bit of a clusterfcuk tbh.

Distancing? Covid is airborne. This two metre shyte doesn't matter when it's airborne. Imagine your breathe as cigarette smoke filling a room (that's why opening windows is so important).

mollser

hotmail.com wrote: »

Shops remain open, pubs to be take away only and an extra week off school for the mid term.

Probably not enough to reduce transmission.

... but yet our media are calling it a full lockdown in NI. Yet it's in some ways less restrictive than we have (churches).

I hate the way the media are spouting unchallenged nonsense through this.

seamus

MD1990 wrote: »

I just dont understand why there there is no promotion for people to improve diet,obesity & general health.

Surely people would be more motivated than ever. If we had a much healthier nation we wouldn't need lockdowns

We can be as healthy as we like, but this virus will still skittle the over-65s.

The lockdowns are trying to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed. The majority of those in hospital and ICU for Covid are 55+ and 65+, respectively.

There is no amount of exercise that prevents old age. It can help, sure, but ultimately 6 months of getting out for walks cannot undo a lifetime of poor choices, and cannot compensate for the aging process.

Promotion of healthy diets and exercise will certainly be good for fighting the next pandemic. But will be fvck all use for this one.

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Have we peaked?

Was spring K2 or Mt Everest, or just Mount Blanc!

Potentially, but too early to say I think. The next two weeks are critical

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

school closures make no sense:D

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but from being out and about (driving) on Saturday evening and seeing roving gangs of teenagers, my gut feeling is that school closures would actually be a disaster from a containment point of view.

At least with schools open there is an upper limit to the number of contacts that kids have, and a de facto curfew. With schools closed, kids will be out with their mates 7 nights a week, with no controls on who they're meeting or for how long.

Non solum non ambulabit

Media is all over school cases.

Now that pubs are closed schools are the obsession of many. I expect these people will move on to other things once schools are closed. To what ends i have no idea - will leaving our homes become the next issue to restrict?

Schools have cases because cases are in the community.

School children live in the community.

I can't understand why people ignore this fact, willfully i suspect.

To me it looks like the rest of the country is now dragging Dublin back up. Probably due to the volumes who still need to travel into the city on a daily basis. Dublin has fallen to 11th on the national picture and in another couple of days will be below the national average. The rest of the country got complacent and smug to an extent through September and continued as if there was nothing to worry about. Another 7 days with no reduction in growth nationally would be an indicator L3 doesn't work

mollser

There's been numerous examples of how of after match GAA celebrations that have led to muliple infections in a matter of hours - are there any such examples for schools? Especially given the close proximity to each other for days on end, not just a few hours?

There doesn't seem to be much evidence of spread within schools but it's not going to stop the hysterics over schools continuing I guess!

rob316

Not closing shops in NI is the right measure as its just costly for the state and doesn't have much of an effect on the numbers. Hope to see that removed from our levels beyond 3.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Distancing? Covid is airborne. This two metre shyte doesn't matter when it's airborne. Imagine your breathe as cigarette smoke filling a room (that's why opening windows is so important).

It does matter. The main transmission route is close contact. This is how the vast majority of transmissions occur, and it is these transmissions than provide the biggest opportunity to reduce the numbers

Oranage2

mollser wrote: »

There's been numerous examples of how of after match GAA celebrations that have led to muliple infections in a matter of hours - are there any such examples for schools? Especially given the close proximity to each other for days on end, not just a few hours?

There doesn't seem to be much evidence of spread within schools but it's not going to stop the hysterics over schools continuing I guess!

There's no evidence that the border counties are impacted by Northern Ireland but it's fairly safe to assume so.

In schools if someone tests positive no other student or teacher is deemed a close contact so there's no testing, instead little Johnny, Susan and Mary all from the same class have symptoms and are tested, they're positive and so are their families, this will be be put down as a home transmission.

Could it have been caught in school, absolutely, will it be labeled as that, absolutely not.

mollser

Oranage2 wrote: »

There's no evidence that the border counties are impacted by Northern Ireland but it's fairly safe to assume so.

In schools if someone tests positive no other student or teacher is deemed a close contact so there's no testing, instead little Johnny, Susan and Mary all from the same class have symptoms and are tested, they're positive and so are their families, this will be be put down as a home transmission.

Could it have been caught in school, absolutely, will it be labeled as that, absolutely not.

The theory is fine. However if this was happening in practice, there would be clusters popping up all over the place around schools as it gets back into the home. As far as I can see, the clusters are related to parties, nursing homes and people generally acting the bolli$ - i'm not seeing any evidence at all that schools are causing it.

We have one class all being tested after one case found, will see what comes of that!

Gentleman Off The Pitch

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Media is all over school cases.

Now that pubs are closed schools are the obsession of many. I expect these people will move on to other things once schools are closed. To what ends i have no idea - will leaving our homes become the next issue to restrict?

Schools have cases because cases are in the community.

School children live in the community.

I can't understand why people ignore this fact, willfully i suspect.

Do you think that there is a focus on schools just because there are cases in them, that people aren't aware that there will be cases in schools when the virus is in their communities, an eventuality that has been clearly flagged since before the schools returned in late August?

Or perhaps could it be that they are in focus because there are still some unanswered questions about the how much the virus is spreading within schools and how much it is spreading in the community due to schools?

All this against the backdrop of "schools must open, end of", "schools are highly controlled environments" ,"bubbles and pods" etc. etc. and lots of admittedly anecdotal evidence that the tracing of cases within schools has been less than optimal

Kermit.de.frog

In Europe

Poland has recorded a record rise in cases (over 6,000) and hospitals are "becoming overloaded" according to the Guardian. 116 new deaths there.

Russia also a new record rise in cases for them.

Germany over 5,000 new cases for first time since April and 43 new deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/14/coronavirus-live-news-restrictions-tighten-across-europe-global-cases-near-38m

vafankillar

The northern ireland restrictions are almost perfectly designed to not fit into any of our levels. Weird mix of 2,3, and 4.


If ireland goes to level 4 (only supermarkets open) while the north, nearly all retail open. That's a recipe for disaster

caveat emptor

Boggles wrote: »

Does it matter you think Nazi wannabes are making great speeches?

Not to me.

I think the purpose of the link without any description was to get people to click on it. Anybody who did is now on some list somewhere. :pac:


It reminded me of that other link a few weeks ago that I luckily identified before clicking on it. I'd say a few people could have lost jobs over it. :rolleyes:

Cheers

MerlinSouthDub

Deleted User wrote: »

To me it looks like the rest of the country is now dragging Dublin back up. Probably due to the volumes who still need to travel into the city on a daily basis. Dublin has fallen to 11th on the national picture and in another couple of days will be below the national average. The rest of the country got complacent and smug to an extent through September and continued as if there was nothing to worry about. Another 7 days with no reduction in growth nationally would be an indicator L3 doesn't work

Agree, and would be optimistic that the whole country being on level 3 will drag Dublin down again.

MerlinSouthDub

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This has not been updated yet?

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Yes, it has updated. 234 is the correct total this morning. 12 hospital admissions over the past 24 hours, which is the lowest since 6th October.

growleaves

What do you call dirt that doesn't contain any bacteria or viruses and helps to build up your immune system?

A victimless grime.

Longing

Government to decide on further restrictions for Cavan and Monaghan later

https://www.northernsound.ie/government-to-decide-on-further-restrictions-for-cavan-and-monaghan-later/

Seen this coming after the announcement in NI

Kermit.de.frog

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Yes, it has updated. 234 is the correct total this morning. 12 hospital admissions over the past 24 hours, which is the lowest since 6th October.

The figures have not changed there since yesterday. They are the same as when I checked yesterday evening. It also says it was last updated yesterday.

Busi_Girl08

growleaves wrote: »

What do you call dirt that doesn't contain any bacteria or viruses and helps to build up your immune system?

A victimless grime.

Looking forward to all the covid-themed christmas cracker jokes this year :pac:

mloc123

Oranage2 wrote: »

In schools if someone tests positive no other student or teacher is deemed a close contact so there's no testing

This is just not true... certainly not for primary schools where children are grouped in pods.

Oranage2

Rte all over reporting lockdowns and restrictions in Europe, that gives the green light to our politicians to have another lockdown.

When it comes to 'fighting' covid we don't have much imagination, restrictions restrictions restrictions.

MerlinSouthDub

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The figures have not changed there since yesterday. They are the same as when I checked yesterday evening. It also says it was last updated yesterday.

Look at the chart - it shows 14th October, 234 cases. It was 240 yesterday morning, and 230 yesterday evening.

Longing

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The figures have not changed there since yesterday. They are the same as when I checked yesterday evening. It also says it was last updated yesterday.

Correct. When I checked last night before bed they are the same.

Away With The Fairies

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It does matter. The main transmission route is close contact. This is how the vast majority of transmissions occur, and it is these transmissions than provide the biggest opportunity to reduce the numbers

Not according to this scientist. Aerosols is the main way this is spread. But no doubt this will be ignored and put down.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/02/1009235/this-scientist-made-a-google-doc-to-educate-the-public-about-airborne-coronavirus-transmission/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR2zyvRSV_JMVmkK72g8SgoJOI-qzmJLV89tUHtmW_0fDcVrvOqdnqhRRK4

mloc123

vafankillar wrote: »

The northern ireland restrictions are almost perfectly designed to not fit into any of our levels. Weird mix of 2,3, and 4.


If ireland goes to level 4 (only supermarkets open) while the north, nearly all retail open. That's a recipe for disaster

The annual pilgrimage people make to Newry in November will be helpful...

caveat emptor

amber2 wrote: »

Local secondary school here, there has been transmission between close contacts within the student population, no contract tracing what so ever from the HSE only parents ringing each other advising of the positive test and recommending their child gets tested, shambles.

To be honest a much more decentralised approach would be much more effective.
School principals be told that they are responsible for contacting parents in the event. Keep it simple keep it stupid. This would foster trust and the principal would be accountable to parents for the decisions as they are other health and safety decisions. If parents don't like it they can simply call / email and voice concerns.

Kid in class infected, once principal informed then whole class contacted by app to self isolate for 10 days. Rest of school carries on.

The decision to only allow public health to do this function has led to them being overwhelmed as we don't have the necessary numbers to handle it. It was purely political given the "you can take our jobs but you'll never take our school" approach in the pandemic plan.

Schools deal with other outbreaks such as lice and winter vomiting bug effectively. Right now they are simply not empowered.

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Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Does it matter you think Nazi wannabes are making great speeches?

Not to me.

He does seem to attract a lot of arseholes and conspiracy theory believers*; Using small words and the everything is someone else's fault mantra helps.

* Being a conspiracy theory believer doesn't always mean a person is also an araehole and vice versa.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Not according to this scientist. Aerosols is the main way this is spread. But no doubt this will be ignored and put down.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/02/1009235/this-scientist-made-a-google-doc-to-educate-the-public-about-airborne-coronavirus-transmission/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR2zyvRSV_JMVmkK72g8SgoJOI-qzmJLV89tUHtmW_0fDcVrvOqdnqhRRK4

The atmospheric chemist's conclusion is because of super spreader events, its all aerosols, but most people don't catch it in super spreader events

Kermit.de.frog

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Look at the chart - it shows 14th October, 234 cases. It was 240 yesterday morning, and 230 yesterday evening.

It explicitly states on the page and the charts the data was last updated yesterday. I remember I checked it yesterday evening and it the same as now.

I'm not saying you're wrong BTW but I know what I saw yesterday.

KerryConnor

It's happening a lot. A local secondary had 4 positive cases and no close contacts.

Another letter from school stated that because the child was only present and contagious for 1 day and kids and adults were wearing masks, there were deemed no close contacts.

In primary if a child hasn't been in school in 48 hours they're deemed to have no close contacts. What's this 14 day thing we've been living with for the last 6 months all about then?

mloc123 wrote: »

This is just not true... certainly not for primary schools where children are grouped in pods.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

To be honest a much more decentralised approach would be much more effective.
School principals be told that they are responsible for contacting parents in the event. Keep it simple keep it stupid. This would foster trust and the principal would be accountable to parents for the decisions as they are other health and safety decisions. If parents don't like it they can simply call / email and voice concerns.

Kid in class infected, once principal informed then whole class contacted by app to self isolate for 10 days. Rest of school carries on.

The decision to only allow public health to do this function has led to them being overwhelmed as we don't have the necessary numbers to handle it. It was purely political given the "you can take our jobs but you'll never take our school" approach in the pandemic plan.

Schools deal with other outbreaks such as lice and winter vomiting bug effectively. Right now they are simply not empowered.

Agree with this. Responsibility should be held locally. Large companies internal contact tracing is already accepted by public health once they are happy with the process used. No reason this should not apply in schools

MerlinSouthDub

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It explicitly states on the page and the charts the data was last updated yesterday. I remember I checked it yesterday evening and it the same as now.

I'm not saying you're wrong BTW but I know what I saw yesterday.

If you look in the Data and Services Sections, and then the Covid19AcuteHospitalHistoricSummaryOpenData time series, you can see the full daily data. It shows 240 cases as at 13th October, 234 cases as at 14th October (today).

I'm not saying you're wrong either, I'm just saying I'm right

Away With The Fairies

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The atmospheric chemist's conclusion is because of super spreader events, its all aerosols, but most people don't catch it in super spreader events

Do you think people are going around coughing and sneezing on each other? They aren't doing that. This virus is airborne.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Do you think people are going around coughing and sneezing on each other? They aren't doing that. This virus is airborne.

Everyone propels small droplets when they speak, and even sometimes when they breathe

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone propels small droplets when they speak, and even sometimes when they breathe

Ya learn something new every day eh? :P

ArthurDayne

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I agree. Let's start by asking them where they think the cut off age should be for life saving intervention due to overwhelmed hospitals? Should it be 70 years of age? 75? 80?

Let's have an open discussion of the trade off with them. When Italian doctors were deciding who lives and dies the young people in Italy never got to have their say.

With ICU's filling up in places like northern England I think it's only fair their voices are heard.

But that is not a question for young people — that is a question for the authorities who are responsible for ensuring the capacity of healthcare. The very fact that people continue to turn the blame on their fellow citizens, particularly the young who have been disproportionately negatively affected by restrictions, is doing nothing more than playing into the hands of a government who are only too happy to have their own failures pinned on some quintessentially Irish self-deprecating mentality that we are all feckless moronic bog dwellers and the poor State just can’t make us learn. At some stage, people will need to start asking whether the problem is lack of compliance with the policies, or lack of realism amongst the policy makers themselves.

The fact is this — if we embarked on a hugely self-harming lockdown strategy followed by conservative restrictions, on the trade-off basis that we would prevent an overwhelming of capacity, and we now face into a winter of young people only being exposed to the virus in the colder months rather than the warmer ....then it is not young people you should be turning on — it’s the people who devised a strategy based on appeasing a sense of panic back in March rather than long term sustainable thinking.

If we look to the State to save us via lockdowns, restrictions and the general suppression of liberty, then it is for the State to use the time and breathing space given by said restrictions to bulk up preparedness. They have had the time and the buck stops with them.

MerlinSouthDub

ICU numbers down 1 to 30 this morning - 1 admission, 2 discharges over the past 24 hours.

El Weirdo

caveat emptor wrote: »

It reminded me of that other link a few weeks ago that I luckily identified before clicking on it. I'd say a few people could have lost jobs over it. :rolleyes:

Cheers

Ah come on, there is no comparison between the videos.

One was a video of a penis and a gaping arsehole and the other one was a porn video.

Widdensushi

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In Europe

Poland has recorded a record rise in cases (over 6,000) and hospitals are "becoming overloaded" according to the Guardian. 116 new deaths there.

Russia also a new record rise in cases for them.

Germany over 5,000 new cases for first time since April and 43 new deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/oct/14/coronavirus-live-news-restrictions-tighten-across-europe-global-cases-near-38m

That deaths amount for Germany seems wrong, is it for today or yesterday?

eagle eye

Can you please read before you post nonsense.
70% AT RISK of reinfection, not reinfected.

KerryConnor

KerryConnor wrote: »

It's happening a lot. A local secondary had 4 positive cases and no close contacts.

Another letter from school stated that because the child was only present and contagious for 1 day and kids and adults were wearing masks, there were deemed no close contacts.

In primary if a child hasn't been in school in 48 hours they're deemed to have no close contacts. What's this 14 day thing we've been living with for the last 6 months all about then?

We seem to be doing everything possible to reduce the number of "close contacts" identified. The opposite of what tracing should be.

mloc123

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you please read before you post nonsense.
70% AT RISK of reinfection, not reinfected.

did you know, 100% of the population of the world at at risk of death? Nothing to do with covid... just in general

polesheep

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I agree. Let's start by asking them where they think the cut off age should be for life saving intervention due to overwhelmed hospitals? Should it be 70 years of age? 75? 80?

Let's have an open discussion of the trade off with them. When Italian doctors were deciding who lives and dies the young people in Italy never got to have their say.

With ICU's filling up in places like northern England I think it's only fair their voices are heard.

I see what you mean, but now you're trying to engage with them again. The point I'm making is that it's past that time, they have moved on. We need to think about how we deal with Covid without having them onboard.