DPD create 700 jobs , how many lost ??

Dempo1

Gruffalux wrote: »

I admit to having increased my online shopping. Shops are simply a hateful way to spend time at the best of times, and now it is doubly hateful. Sure, I have used Bezo's demon spawn Amazon as, let's face it, it is amazingly handy and easy to use, but I have also used a lot of shops in Ireland. I bought products online for myself personally from Irish garden shops, a hardware shop, Irish health food stores, Atlantic aromatherapy, the handmade soap company, an Irish hand made mask maker on Etsy, an Irish clothing maker from whom I bought a fab woolen waistcoat, and I got some skin care products from a couple of Irish based chemists. And the Dr Hauschka supplier in Ireland who are great and always send a little treat. I also source a lot of very varied and specialised items for work and many of these are bought online from efficient Irish companies and then DPD or some other postal company deliver them really promptly. At this stage I know my usual DPD driver's life story. If I had to source all the work stuff in actual shops there would not be one minute left over to do other useful things. Point is that people will buy more online from now on. There is no changing that. So make a truly great and cheerful website, and adjust. Main street shopping centred largely around drink and food and yummy things like that, or individualised craft work or hands on services will not be so bad!

I too have had to go online and not out of choice, I depend alot on gardening type stuff and my main Irish supplier went from closure, to phone and collect and to be honest rarely had the items I needed. Also, I've been astonished at how poor Irish businesses are at online offering.

Most don't even seem to have grasped the concept of replying to emails. Just an example.

I needed heat treated shiplap timber cladding, best option was a place in portarlington. Have dealt with them in the past over the phone etc. Emailed requirements, asked for prices etc in July,. The restrictions meant phone contact near impossible, emailed numerous times and eventually gave up, had the timber delivered from the North and even allowing for sterling and delivery, saved over €200. Just bizzare and this in 2020.

Kowerski

Dempo1 wrote: »

I too have had to go online and not out of choice, I depend alot on gardening type stuff and my main Irish supplier went from closure, to phone and collect and to be honest rarely had the items I needed. Also, I've been astonished at how poor Irish businesses are at online offering.

Most don't even seem to have grasped the concept of replying to emails. Just an example.

I needed heat treated shiplap timber cladding, best option was a place in portarlington. Have dealt with them in the past over the phone etc. Emailed requirements, asked for prices etc in July,. The restrictions meant phone contact near impossible, emailed numerous times and eventually gave up, had the timber delivered from the North and even allowing for sterling and delivery, saved over €200. Just bizzare and this in 2020.

Some Irish companies are terrible. Expect them to go bust

Granadino

Online clothes shopping is a minefield. You really need to be able to see stuff in person and try it on.
The amount of crap people buy and have to send back online because it’s too small , not what it looked like in photos etc...

Gruffalux

Dempo1 wrote: »

I too have had to go online and not out of choice, I depend alot on gardening type stuff and my main Irish supplier went from closure, to phone and collect and to be honest rarely had the items I needed. Also, I've been astonished at how poor Irish businesses are at online offering.

Most don't even seem to have grasped the concept of replying to emails. Just an example.

I needed heat treated shiplap timber cladding, best option was a place in portarlington. Have dealt with them in the past over the phone etc. Emailed requirements, asked for prices etc in July,. The restrictions meant phone contact near impossible, emailed numerous times and eventually gave up, had the timber delivered from the North and even allowing for sterling and delivery, saved over €200. Just bizzare and this in 2020.

I must admit this has not been my experience. As one part of my work I have dealt with a lot of Irish suppliers and they have been excellent. Some are supplying highly specialised products out of their homes, others are massive companies and all have been brilliant. Touch wood it continues.

Dempo1

Kowerski wrote: »

Some Irish companies are terrible. Expect them to go bust

They are, I live near tullamore and not a single local business I emailed over the summer responded to emails, lawn mower shops, garden centres, hardware stores and I'm not talking multinational, these are local business I wanted to and have supported, even local bike shop lost a €2k sale on an ebike.

I was essentially forced to shop online and I'm disgusted at how poor Irish businesses have been with online sales and I might add not just during this pandemic, I've noticed this for years but pre pandemic you could at least visit stores if no email responses etc.

Wibbs

Gruffalux wrote: »

I must admit this has not been my experience. As one part of my work I have dealt with a lot of Irish suppliers and they have been excellent. Some are supplying highly specialised products out of their homes, others are massive companies and all have been brilliant. Touch wood it continues.

It can really depend on the area and goods you're looking for. Like you I've found the highly specialised Irish suppliers to be very good, but the less specialised not so much. The other big issue are the prices. There are a lot of "Paddy tax" higher prices going on. I noticed it first during the celtic tiger era when gouging was almost a national sport from large retailers and small and kinda accepted in the "boom", but even when that crashed and burned it was still in play with many because they had gotten used to it and both retailers and customers accepted and expected it.

Kowerski

Dempo1 wrote: »

They are, I live near tullamore and not a single local business I emailed over the summer responded to emails, lawn mower shops, garden centres, hardware stores and I'm not talking multinational, these are local business I wanted to and have supported, even local bike shop lost a €2k sale on an ebike.

I was essentially forced to shop online and I'm disgusted at how poor Irish businesses have been with online sales and I might add not just during this pandemic, I've noticed this for years but pre pandemic you could at least visit stores if no email responses etc.

In some companies it seems the phone is only available to ring Mammy/Daddy, they never answer. Website are 10 years old and email is still yahoo which is not monitored. If someone had a idea to create a facebook page, again not monitored and our local shop still has information on how they are open during the big snow storm which was how many years ago now.


Sorry but in this day & age if you are not able to run a website/facebook page or answer a phone then no point complaining about delivery companies/amazon

Xtrail14

Everything can be bought online now, I remember a few years back a neighbour down the road had a taxi land in to the yard and a Fastway van same time.
The new wife in the taxi and a new greenhouse in the Fastway van. The neighbour and his new wife gave the following week erecting the greenhouse and they are together since.

Gruffalux

Wibbs wrote: »

It can really depend on the area and goods you're looking for. Like you I've found the highly specialised Irish suppliers to be very good, but the less specialised not so much. The other big issue are the prices. There are a lot of "Paddy tax" higher prices going on. I noticed it first during the celtic tiger era when gouging was almost a national sport from large retailers and small and kinda accepted in the "boom", but even when that crashed and burned it was still in play with many because they had gotten used to it and both retailers and customers accepted and expected it.

I must just be very lucky or really great at logistics
Though it is true my specialised suppliers are the most personable and efficient.
I have had almost no issues with online shopping. Only one disaster and long ago - a bra obviously made in China that could only have fitted a lamp post with strapped on zeppelins. I kept it to marvel at the vision of its maker.

Gruffalux

Xtrail14 wrote: »

Everything can be bought online now, I remember a few years back a neighbour down the road had a taxi land in to the yard and a Fastway van same time.
The new wife in the taxi and a new greenhouse in the Fastway van. The neighbour and his new wife gave the following week erecting the greenhouse and they are together since.

Absolutely everything. I had my eyes opened by a pal to the world of online machinery auctions recently where literally anything can be bought and shipped.

whisky_galore

Dempo1 wrote: »

So here we go again, DPD, Fastways, UBS, whatever your having courier companies annual and exciting breaking news of extra jobs. It's like a broken down record, every year around this time, the same announcements, getting a little tiresome and repetitive, of course, it all goes quite in February each year with not a whisper on all those exciting new jobs suddenly vanishing.

This.
And all min wage high staff turnover race-to-the-bottom companies but they get their free advertising on de telly firing out a few seasonal crumbs for the plebs.

Kowerski

whisky_galore wrote: »

This.
And all min wage high staff turnover race-to-the-bottom companies but they get their free advertising on de telly firing out a few seasonal crumbs for the plebs.

So you are complaining because a company in the middle of the virus is hiring people?

So everyone that works in these companies are plebs?

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Anyone seen the movie Sorry We Missed You?

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8359816/

rob316

Those are desperate jobs though, Dpd is our partner in our business and the turnover of drivers is huge.

25k for absolutely ball breaking work which has no set hours, you finish when you have done your deliveries and collections for the day.

whisky_galore

Kowerski wrote: »

So you are complaining because a company in the middle of the virus is hiring people?

So everyone that works in these companies are plebs?

Read it again. S l o w l y.

It's the nature of the jobs. Borderline slave labour and patting themselves on the back for it.

Cheerful Spring2

whisky_galore wrote: »

Read it again. S l o w l y.

It's the nature of the jobs. Borderline slave labour and patting themselves on the back for it.

A job is a choice. You don't have to apply if you're not able for hard work and longer working hours. You should consider your lifestyle and needs before applying for any job.

DPD has a set delivery schedule and the customer needs are foremost in their minds. Some companies don't consider the amount of work some workers do in a day, but that's life.

Delivery of products and driving to places all day is hardly slave labour? Doesn't seem all that difficult to me.

muddypaws

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

A job is a choice. You don't have to apply if you're not able for hard work and longer working hours. You should consider your lifestyle and needs before applying for any job.

DPD has a set delivery schedule and the customer needs are foremost in their minds. Some companies don't consider the amount of work some workers do in a day, but that's life.

Delivery of products and driving to places all day is hardly slave labour? Doesn't seem all that difficult to me.

How about the 2-3 hours spent in the depot first thing in the morning unloading the trailer, sorting the round then loading the van? Before you even get on the road driving to places. 6.30am start and from now until Christmas, probably a 6pm finish, 6 days a week. A truck driver wouldn't legally be allowed to do that, but van drivers can?

With the amount of jobs that have been lost because of covid, lots of people have started working as courier drivers rather than staying at home on the PUP. There aren't many options, especially in rural areas but you're right of course, people should consider their lifestyle and needs. Needing to eat and pay a mortgage/rent kinda supersedes everything else.

I work as a courier driver, we've had alot of new drivers in the last few weeks, at least half of them have left after a day or two because they can't handle it.

Rubberchikken

Irish businesses especially local small businesses need to sort out their websites and online selling if they actually want customers.
I won't buy local, online or in reality just because..
I've found exactly what I've needed over the past 9 months mostly on Amazon and have no issues whatsoever with it.

It's success is proof that it's needed and 'hating' it and other large businesses is pathetic.

When products aren't available in local businesses, when the phone goes unanswered and when the shopping experience is sadly lacking then people will go online.

Vargulf

I've found this is a good website for anyone buying online but who would like to buy from Ireland.

https://justbuyirish.com/

You can use the green button on the bottom right to filter by category.

Kowerski

muddypaws wrote: »

How about the 2-3 hours spent in the depot first thing in the morning unloading the trailer, sorting the round then loading the van? Before you even get on the road driving to places. 6.30am start and from now until Christmas, probably a 6pm finish, 6 days a week. A truck driver wouldn't legally be allowed to do that, but van drivers can?

With the amount of jobs that have been lost because of covid, lots of people have started working as courier drivers rather than staying at home on the PUP. There aren't many options, especially in rural areas but you're right of course, people should consider their lifestyle and needs. Needing to eat and pay a mortgage/rent kinda supersedes everything else.

I work as a courier driver, we've had alot of new drivers in the last few weeks, at least half of them have left after a day or two because they can't handle it.

If you are a professional driver then you have to abide by the same rules as truck drivers. It is alarming you claim to be a courier driver but don't abide by the regulations. You and your company are breaking the law.

Johnthemanager

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Best get used to it. Online shopping is the future, it wouldn't surprise me to see far less retail and far more food related stores in the future. There's a lot of stuff you can't get in shops, or it is far more expensive (particularly PC components).

Priced a sander in my local hardware store €89, went on to screwfix.ie same make and model €30.

B.A._Baracus

LuasSimon wrote: »

The news says DPD creating 700 jobs but how many physical shops are closing down or reducing staff due to all the online shopping . It might be the new world but let’s not fool ourselves that overall 700 extra jobs have come out of nowhere .

No one cares op
Well.. unless you have a dog in the fight. That's life tho. Unless something directly effects you (or someone very close to you) people won't care.

So DPD creates 700 jobs. Thousands lost their jobs in retail. That's life. That sounds cold, maybe even a little heartless but it ain't wrong.

muddypaws

Kowerski wrote: »

If you are a professional driver then you have to abide by the same rules as truck drivers. It is alarming you claim to be a courier driver but don't abide by the regulations. You and your company are breaking the law.

Please link to that law, because as far as I'm aware the EU haven't brought it in yet. I have yet to see a van with a tacho.

gary550

Kowerski wrote: »

If you are a professional driver then you have to abide by the same rules as truck drivers. It is alarming you claim to be a courier driver but don't abide by the regulations. You and your company are breaking the law.

What regulations are they now?

Strumms

Granadino wrote: »

Online clothes shopping is a minefield. You really need to be able to see stuff in person and try it on.
The amount of crap people buy and have to send back online because it’s too small , not what it looked like in photos etc...

This ^^^

Sizings are the problem...

I get gym trainers online, always buy Nike air max or Adidas Supernovas, save a fortune but I know my size, with one brand half a size bigger in both brands and I’m good.

Shirts, jeans, trousers, sweaters though you need to try, or hold up to you...

Sonics2k

Kowerski wrote: »

If you are a professional driver then you have to abide by the same rules as truck drivers. It is alarming you claim to be a courier driver but don't abide by the regulations. You and your company are breaking the law.

I just started working as a courier with a company. Three weeks in and it's honestly crazy work. Now I don't mind doing it, I don't mind hard work and I have kids to feed and bills to pay.

But I am literally in the depot at 6.30am from Monday to Friday. As of next week they'll want me in on Saturday too. It takes roughly 2 and a half to 3 hours to load up two vans and make sure everything is on the correct route and layout. Mess that up and your schedule is ruined for the day.
On a good day I get out of the depot at 9 and start doing drops by half 9. From then it's pretty much nonstop until I do my last drops around 4. Then I'm off to get my collections which takes roughly an hour. I'm back at the depot at about half 5, unload the van and out of there about 6.

Now, I'm currently working on getting a C license and I've been reading up on various laws. None of them would appear to impact van drivers. I've no assigned lunch break, no tacho etc.

As far as I can tell, we're not classed as professional drivers, rather professional delivery personnel so existing laws don't matter, and no chance will the Dail do anything about that.

I'll keep doing the job because it's grand, it's Covid safe and like I said, I have a family but it's certainly not long term work. I do know some lads finish their drop offs earlier than me, but usually they leave the depot sooner too and it depends on where they work.

Montage of Feck

Xtrail14 wrote: »

Everything can be bought online now, I remember a few years back a neighbour down the road had a taxi land in to the yard and a Fastway van same time.
The new wife in the taxi and a new greenhouse in the Fastway van. The neighbour and his new wife gave the following week erecting the greenhouse and they are together since.

I've been meaning to get myself one of those, could you on a link to the website.

Kowerski

Sonics2k wrote: »

I just started working as a courier with a company. Three weeks in and it's honestly crazy work. Now I don't mind doing it, I don't mind hard work and I have kids to feed and bills to pay.

But I am literally in the depot at 6.30am from Monday to Friday. As of next week they'll want me in on Saturday too. It takes roughly 2 and a half to 3 hours to load up two vans and make sure everything is on the correct route and layout. Mess that up and your schedule is ruined for the day.
On a good day I get out of the depot at 9 and start doing drops by half 9. From then it's pretty much nonstop until I do my last drops around 4. Then I'm off to get my collections which takes roughly an hour. I'm back at the depot at about half 5, unload the van and out of there about 6.

Now, I'm currently working on getting a C license and I've been reading up on various laws. None of them would appear to impact van drivers. I've no assigned lunch break, no tacho etc.

As far as I can tell, we're not classed as professional drivers, rather professional delivery personnel so existing laws don't matter, and no chance will the Dail do anything about that.

I'll keep doing the job because it's grand, it's Covid safe and like I said, I have a family but it's certainly not long term work. I do know some lads finish their drop offs earlier than me, but usually they leave the depot sooner too and it depends on where they work.

You drive for a living, you are a professional driver. It’s fairly easy to find the laws. At the moment you are breaking them. Suppose it’s ok till you kill someone

oceanman

Sonics2k wrote: »

I just started working as a courier with a company. Three weeks in and it's honestly crazy work. Now I don't mind doing it, I don't mind hard work and I have kids to feed and bills to pay.

But I am literally in the depot at 6.30am from Monday to Friday. As of next week they'll want me in on Saturday too. It takes roughly 2 and a half to 3 hours to load up two vans and make sure everything is on the correct route and layout. Mess that up and your schedule is ruined for the day.
On a good day I get out of the depot at 9 and start doing drops by half 9. From then it's pretty much nonstop until I do my last drops around 4. Then I'm off to get my collections which takes roughly an hour. I'm back at the depot at about half 5, unload the van and out of there about 6.

Now, I'm currently working on getting a C license and I've been reading up on various laws. None of them would appear to impact van drivers. I've no assigned lunch break, no tacho etc.

As far as I can tell, we're not classed as professional drivers, rather professional delivery personnel so existing laws don't matter, and no chance will the Dail do anything about that.

I'll keep doing the job because it's grand, it's Covid safe and like I said, I have a family but it's certainly not long term work. I do know some lads finish their drop offs earlier than me, but usually they leave the depot sooner too and it depends on where they work.

i think i would starve first...but fair play to you all the same.

Sonics2k

Kowerski wrote: »

You drive for a living, you are a professional driver. It’s fairly easy to find the laws. At the moment you are breaking them. Suppose it’s ok till you kill someone

By all means, find those laws that cover courier drivers on B licenses and call out all the courier companies. So far as I can tell, it's only covers C licenses and taxi drivers.

Im by no means saying you're wrong, just that I can't find anything and if the laws existed the courier companies would have been called out years ago.